25 man roster crunch

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    How many players will be injured by the time the season starts?

    Coaches are also looking at who comes to camp in great shape and deternimed.

    It is not unusual to have an abundance of players in January , before Spring training begins. In fact , especially when your team has been a huge disappointment , you want multiple choices....hopefully when the time comes the decision is a tough one. Because if it's easy , it means somebody stinks.



    Truly injured or "sore-so-you-need-to-hide-out-on-the-DL-for-a-while-until-we-can-make-some-kind-of-roster-move-later" injured?

     
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    Trading Ellsbury, since the great Shane is in place, will create a space on the 25 man roster. There's also the old Tim Wastefield space that used to make it a 24 man roster, every season.



    Still harping on Wake.

    Surprise- surprise.

    Wasn't it a 23 man roster because of VTek, 22 because of Lowrie, and on and on...

     
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    Here's my take for what its worth...

    Batters - We all know who 11 of these guys will be (Ellsbury, Pedroa, Ortiz, Napoli, Middlebrooks, Victorino, Salty, Gomes, Drew, Ross, Ciriaco) - however, there is one player who will make the team that is not here today,,,that would be the LH 1B/OF that is being seeked. The other will be either Nava or Kalish, assuming neither is traded to get the 1B/OF.

    Pitchers - We know the 5 starters (Lester, Buccholz, Dempster, Lackey, Doubront) and 3 of the back end of the 'pen...unless Bailey is moved he will be the setup guy, occasional closer subbing for Hanrahan, the other sure thing would be Uehara in the 7th. I also see Morales, Breslow and Tazawa making the team and Aceves filling spot #7 despite his antics of last season.

    However, a surprise in all this would be a trade involving any combination of Ellsbury, Salty, Lavarnway, Iglesias, Bailey, Miller, Morales and Mortensen that would impact the 25 man roster that is almost in place now. For the right player being returned, I could see Buccholz, Doubront and Tazawa even being moved, but not likely.

     

     

     
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    Pitchers - We know the 5 starters (Lester, Buccholz, Dempster, Lackey, Doubront) and 3 of the back end of the 'pen...unless Bailey is moved he will be the setup guy, occasional closer subbing for Hanrahan, the other sure thing would be Uehara in the 7th. I also see Morales, Breslow and Tazawa making the team and Aceves filling spot #7 despite his antics of last season.

    Assuming no injuries by opening day, highly unlikely, I think Miller is in the pen and someone with options remaining starts out in AAA. Remember, Mortensen & Miller are out of options.  If healthy, they will be traded, put on the phantom DL, or on the 25 man roster by opening day.: (pitchers with options)

    Bailey 3 (Will not be in AAA unless doing horribly in ST)

    Aceves 1 (Would probably be traded before being demoted)

    Tazawa 1 (Sadly, the odd man out.)

    Bard 2 (AAA unless someone is hurt or struggling in ST)

     

    I think our pen is deep enough, and we have enough 5-6 slot starters unless we have serious issues, so as I have been saying for months, we need to make some 2 or 3 for 1 deals to improve our quality over quantity.

    13 pitchers with no options or should be on the 25 man roster unless hurt or traded::

    Lester, Buch (1), Dempster, Doubie, Lackey, Bailey (3), Hanrahan, Uehara, Aceves (1), Morales, Breslow, Miller, Mortensen.

    Tazawa should be on the 25 man roster, and eventually maybe Bard, de la Rosa or someone else from the farm might make a case to be called up without a need on the big club, so basically we have 14 pitchers for 12 slots.

    Somebody can get hurt or go on the fake DL. Tazawa, Bailey, Buch and Aceves could be sent to the farm, but if healthy and doing OK+ in ST, room should be made for them sooner rather than later.

    Now that Breslow is signed for 2 years, I'd look to trade Miller & Doubront. I don't think we will get equal value back for Mortensen or Aceves, but they should be shopped. Morales is also a possibility. A package with Ellsbury and/or Salty could net us a very good prospect or two, or a player under team control for beyond 2013 or 2014.

     

     
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    Look at how good our bullpen is.  I just kind of feel like Tazawa is wasted there.  Bailey, Hanrahan, and Uehara will handle 8,9.

    Bresolow is a good lefty specialist.  Miller as well.  




    I think Miller is more the Loogy. Breslow has good splits with both RH and LHH.

     
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    Morales for Garret Jones?




    This is what I suggested back when the Hanrahan talks were going on...It would be a fair trade IMO. Jones has played full time the last 3 years and has  3 more years of control left being a super-2 player...

     
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    Look at how good our bullpen is.  I just kind of feel like Tazawa is wasted there.  Bailey, Hanrahan, and Uehara will handle 8,9.

    Bresolow is a good lefty specialist.  Miller as well.  

     




    I think Miller is more the Loogy. Breslow has good splits with both RH and LHH.

     




    i agree, the big question it seems is what to do with tazawa. He is definitely ready to be in the MLB full time but we would likely have to trade someone or run with an extra pitcher on the 25 man.

    The only way i would want to see Taz in AAA is if we were going to make him a starter (which i am an advocate of) but it seems the AAA rotation is rounded out as it is.

     
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    The  25 man roster is an issue as is the 40.

    21 pitchers and 5 catchers on the 40. That leaves 13 position players and a DH and that's without Napoli on the roster. Pretty simple #1 move--DFA Alex Hassan. That still only gives you 13 position players.

    The next step is for management to convince BenC having 5 catchers on the 40 is insane and to trade someone. The depth chart @ C after Salty and Ross: I'd say Lav, Vazquez and Butler. One of those 5 has to go.

    Nava, Kalish, Hassan---one has to go (Hassan).

    Then start paring away at the pitchers--which includes most pitchers that will be starters at AAA. They could option Taz and bring him back for the start of the season, maybe Kalish.

    The issue is BenC has to really learn how to let players go through trades or being DFA'd. Then how to manage his 25 and 40 man rosters.

     

     
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    I personally feel that Tazawa is too talented to be in a seventh inning role.  I'd put him in Pawtucket until a #6 starter is needed.  If he can combine his pre-injury location with his post-injury MPH, and improve his secondary pitches, we are looking at a potential #2 MLB starter.




    MLB is loaded w/ guys who look great for 1 inning and that doesn't always translate well to starting. Look no farther than Bard and Joba Chamberlin as perfect examples. Tazawa should be the 7-8 guy w/ Bailey. Having to much pitching before ST is never a problem, these things have a way of taking care of themselves i.e. someone gets hurt, someone pitching terribly, or other team needs bullpen health. By the end of March it will be resolved.

     
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    I personally feel that Tazawa is too talented to be in a seventh inning role.  I'd put him in Pawtucket until a #6 starter is needed.  If he can combine his pre-injury location with his post-injury MPH, and improve his secondary pitches, we are looking at a potential #2 MLB starter.

     




     

    MLB is loaded w/ guys who look great for 1 inning and that doesn't always translate well to starting. Look no farther than Bard and Joba Chamberlin as perfect examples. Tazawa should be the 7-8 guy w/ Bailey. Having to much pitching before ST is never a problem, these things have a way of taking care of themselves i.e. someone gets hurt, someone pitching terribly, or other team needs bullpen health. By the end of March it will be resolved.




    except pre-TJS Tazawa was a starter. and a damn good one. He was relegated to the BP post-TJS to limit his innings and he did so well he ended up in the MLB. Its time to ramp up his innings and slot him in the spot we signed him for. Bard was a failure as a SP in the minors so it was reasonable to expect he would be garbage in the majors as a SP. Tazawa was extremely talented as a starter and now that he is fuly recovered from TJS he is ready to resume his role. Our BP is stacked without him in it. We need good starters and he can be a good starter. Stretch him out

     
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    The  25 man roster is an issue as is the 40.

    21 pitchers and 5 catchers on the 40. That leaves 13 position players and a DH and that's without Napoli on the roster. Pretty simple #1 move--DFA Alex Hassan. That still only gives you 13 position players.

    The next step is for management to convince BenC having 5 catchers on the 40 is insane and to trade someone. The depth chart @ C after Salty and Ross: I'd say Lav, Vazquez and Butler. One of those 5 has to go.

    Nava, Kalish, Hassan---one has to go (Hassan).

    Then start paring away at the pitchers--which includes most pitchers that will be starters at AAA. They could option Taz and bring him back for the start of the season, maybe Kalish.

    The issue is BenC has to really learn how to let players go through trades or being DFA'd. Then how to manage his 25 and 40 man rosters.

     



    The 40 man roster is more about who has options and who doesn't than who is the best player to have in the 39 and 40 slots. Or what position is needed more. If someone gets hurt, and we have nobody on the 40 man roster to take his place, we'll pick up a replacement type player of make a roster move at that time. 

    I wouldn't cut any of the 5 catchers on our roster. I would try to trade 1, but not to just give him away.

    To me, our biggest concern is the 25 man roster. Chances are someone will be injured of go on the fake DL, so the decisions will be delayed until we kniow more about who is deserving to play on the big club or not, but I would prefer we make a 2 or 3 for 1 deal to improve our quality over our quantity and make the team better and the decisions easier.

    Here's an example, say nobody is hurt, and we are forced to put Taz in AAA, so we don't have to cut Miller or Mortensen. Taz is likely to be better than both of these guys, so why not trade two 25-man roster pitchers for one better pitcher? This improves 2 slots: the guy we get who is better than either of the two we traded plus Taz who is better than either of the guys we traded. One trade: 2 upgrades! What's not to like about that, in theory?

     
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    I personally feel that Tazawa is too talented to be in a seventh inning role.  I'd put him in Pawtucket until a #6 starter is needed.  If he can combine his pre-injury location with his post-injury MPH, and improve his secondary pitches, we are looking at a potential #2 MLB starter.

     




     

    MLB is loaded w/ guys who look great for 1 inning and that doesn't always translate well to starting. Look no farther than Bard and Joba Chamberlin as perfect examples. Tazawa should be the 7-8 guy w/ Bailey. Having to much pitching before ST is never a problem, these things have a way of taking care of themselves i.e. someone gets hurt, someone pitching terribly, or other team needs bullpen health. By the end of March it will be resolved.

     




    except pre-TJS Tazawa was a starter. and a damn good one. He was relegated to the BP post-TJS to limit his innings and he did so well he ended up in the MLB. Its time to ramp up his innings and slot him in the spot we signed him for. Bard was a failure as a SP in the minors so it was reasonable to expect he would be garbage in the majors as a SP. Tazawa was extremely talented as a starter and now that he is fuly recovered from TJS he is ready to resume his role. Our BP is stacked without him in it. We need good starters and he can be a good starter. Stretch him out

     



    I agree, Taz should be stretched into a starter again.

     
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    I personally feel that Tazawa is too talented to be in a seventh inning role.  I'd put him in Pawtucket until a #6 starter is needed.  If he can combine his pre-injury location with his post-injury MPH, and improve his secondary pitches, we are looking at a potential #2 MLB starter.

     




     

    MLB is loaded w/ guys who look great for 1 inning and that doesn't always translate well to starting. Look no farther than Bard and Joba Chamberlin as perfect examples. Tazawa should be the 7-8 guy w/ Bailey. Having to much pitching before ST is never a problem, these things have a way of taking care of themselves i.e. someone gets hurt, someone pitching terribly, or other team needs bullpen health. By the end of March it will be resolved.

     




    except pre-TJS Tazawa was a starter. and a damn good one. He was relegated to the BP post-TJS to limit his innings and he did so well he ended up in the MLB. Its time to ramp up his innings and slot him in the spot we signed him for. Bard was a failure as a SP in the minors so it was reasonable to expect he would be garbage in the majors as a SP. Tazawa was extremely talented as a starter and now that he is fuly recovered from TJS he is ready to resume his role. Our BP is stacked without him in it. We need good starters and he can be a good starter. Stretch him out

     

     



    I agree, Taz should be stretched into a starter again.

     




    but with aceves (hopefully) resuming his 2011 long man role and Morales also getting extended inning stints idk where we could find consistent innings to stretch Taz out in the MLB.. It would likely HAVE to be in AAA (bummer) but would definitely help us in the long run and have an excellent reserve in AAA who can be subbed into the BP and starting roto (i would think RDLR would get a shot in the rotation before Taz though)

     
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    I personally feel that Tazawa is too talented to be in a seventh inning role.  I'd put him in Pawtucket until a #6 starter is needed.  If he can combine his pre-injury location with his post-injury MPH, and improve his secondary pitches, we are looking at a potential #2 MLB starter.

     




     

    MLB is loaded w/ guys who look great for 1 inning and that doesn't always translate well to starting. Look no farther than Bard and Joba Chamberlin as perfect examples. Tazawa should be the 7-8 guy w/ Bailey. Having to much pitching before ST is never a problem, these things have a way of taking care of themselves i.e. someone gets hurt, someone pitching terribly, or other team needs bullpen health. By the end of March it will be resolved.

     




    except pre-TJS Tazawa was a starter. and a damn good one. He was relegated to the BP post-TJS to limit his innings and he did so well he ended up in the MLB. Its time to ramp up his innings and slot him in the spot we signed him for. Bard was a failure as a SP in the minors so it was reasonable to expect he would be garbage in the majors as a SP. Tazawa was extremely talented as a starter and now that he is fuly recovered from TJS he is ready to resume his role. Our BP is stacked without him in it. We need good starters and he can be a good starter. Stretch him out

     

     



    I agree, Taz should be stretched into a starter again.

     

     




    but with aceves (hopefully) resuming his 2011 long man role and Morales also getting extended inning stints idk where we could find consistent innings to stretch Taz out in the MLB.. It would likely HAVE to be in AAA (bummer) but would definitely help us in the long run and have an excellent reserve in AAA who can be subbed into the BP and starting roto (i would think RDLR would get a shot in the rotation before Taz though)

     



    Give Taz some starts in ST, then a few in AAA, and by then some starter will be hurt or stinking up the place enough for Taz to take his place.

    The last time the Sox didn't get 25+ starts from the 6th starter or lower was 2007, when we had 22 from Lester, Gabbard and others.

     
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    It seems clear no matter who we want on the 25 man roster, that we have extra depth in the bullen and at Catcher.....I was pushing earlier in the off season to look to get Ike Davis from the Mets....LH, IB fits perfectly with us(except for the plate discipline)....the Mets are desperate for relivers and before the Dickey trade also needed a Catcher......I would still approach them and see if Relievers, some catching depth and a prospect can interest them.

     
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    It seems clear no matter who we want on the 25 man roster, that we have extra depth in the bullen and at Catcher.....I was pushing earlier in the off season to look to get Ike Davis from the Mets....LH, IB fits perfectly with us(except for the plate discipline)....the Mets are desperate for relivers and before the Dickey trade also needed a Catcher......I would still approach them and see if Relievers, some catching depth and a prospect can interest them.



    I understand where you are coming from, but I still think our biggest weakness is SP, Power clean-up hitter, and a LF'er who can platoon with Gomes and maybe Victorino in RF at times.

    If we pick up anyone before the season starts, it will probably be the platoon corner OF'er who maybe can play 1B as well.

    I'd rather trade Doubront, Salty and a relief pitcher or two for a much better SP under team control for 3+ years, but I seriously doubt that can or will happen.

     

     
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    I personally feel that Tazawa is too talented to be in a seventh inning role.  I'd put him in Pawtucket until a #6 starter is needed.  If he can combine his pre-injury location with his post-injury MPH, and improve his secondary pitches, we are looking at a potential #2 MLB starter.

     




     

    MLB is loaded w/ guys who look great for 1 inning and that doesn't always translate well to starting. Look no farther than Bard and Joba Chamberlin as perfect examples. Tazawa should be the 7-8 guy w/ Bailey. Having to much pitching before ST is never a problem, these things have a way of taking care of themselves i.e. someone gets hurt, someone pitching terribly, or other team needs bullpen health. By the end of March it will be resolved.

     




    except pre-TJS Tazawa was a starter. and a damn good one. He was relegated to the BP post-TJS to limit his innings and he did so well he ended up in the MLB. Its time to ramp up his innings and slot him in the spot we signed him for. Bard was a failure as a SP in the minors so it was reasonable to expect he would be garbage in the majors as a SP. Tazawa was extremely talented as a starter and now that he is fuly recovered from TJS he is ready to resume his role. Our BP is stacked without him in it. We need good starters and he can be a good starter. Stretch him out

     

     



    I agree, Taz should be stretched into a starter again.

     

     




    but with aceves (hopefully) resuming his 2011 long man role and Morales also getting extended inning stints idk where we could find consistent innings to stretch Taz out in the MLB.. It would likely HAVE to be in AAA (bummer) but would definitely help us in the long run and have an excellent reserve in AAA who can be subbed into the BP and starting roto (i would think RDLR would get a shot in the rotation before Taz though)

     

     



    Give Taz some starts in ST, then a few in AAA, and by then some starter will be hurt or stinking up the place enough for Taz to take his place.

     

    The last time the Sox didn't get 25+ starts from the 6th starter or lower was 2007, when we had 22 from Lester, Gabbard and others.

     



    Exactly.  I would honestly shop Morales; however, if we couldnt get good value....

     

    I would use Morales as middle relief, long relief and our #8 starter (the reason he is at #8 is because we have 2 guys in AAA stretched out and ready to start).  I would use Aceves as middle relief, long relief, and as our #9 starter.

    I would use De La Rosa as our #6 starter and Taz as our #7.  There will be ample starts for both of these guys.

    I think that one of Morales and Aceves are expendable in the right deal.  I think the return for morales would be greater, and I think we are lefty heavy.  So he is the one I would look to move (Gerret Jones?)

    ALso: and I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, I just dont think he is as good as his numbers indicated last year.  This makes me want to sell high.  From what I see, he doesnt have enough movement on his fastball to be anything better than a #4 pitcher.  I think that De La Rosa, Tazawa both have far more upside and are knocking on the door.

     
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    It seems clear no matter who we want on the 25 man roster, that we have extra depth in the bullen and at Catcher.....I was pushing earlier in the off season to look to get Ike Davis from the Mets....LH, IB fits perfectly with us(except for the plate discipline)....the Mets are desperate for relivers and before the Dickey trade also needed a Catcher......I would still approach them and see if Relievers, some catching depth and a prospect can interest them.

     



    I understand where you are coming from, but I still think our biggest weakness is SP, Power clean-up hitter, and a LF'er who can platoon with Gomes and maybe Victorino in RF at times.

     

    If we pick up anyone before the season starts, it will probably be the platoon corner OF'er who maybe can play 1B as well.

    I'd rather trade Doubront, Salty and a relief pitcher or two for a much better SP under team control for 3+ years, but I seriously doubt that can or will happen.

     

     



    Agreed.  Brandon Moss or David Murphy would be perfect; however, i doubt either is available.

     

    I'm interested in Garret Jones, but again, not sure if the Pirates would move him.  Notin threw the name Will Venable out there, which is very intriguing.  I would love to bring in Cocoa as well (very good friends w Gomes and Ortiz), but I have a Cocoa poster hanging in my office, so that may be my bias talking.  

    To be honest though, I'm not necessarily against giving Nava or Kalish a shot.  Its just that this is 450 AB role, and I worry about Nava's power/defense w/ that many at-bats.  Also: Kalish has struggled (even in AAA) since 2010.

    If Nava was the righty and Gomes was the lefty, Id be find w/ a Nava/Gomes platoon.

     
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    It seems clear no matter who we want on the 25 man roster, that we have extra depth in the bullen and at Catcher.....I was pushing earlier in the off season to look to get Ike Davis from the Mets....LH, IB fits perfectly with us(except for the plate discipline)....the Mets are desperate for relivers and before the Dickey trade also needed a Catcher......I would still approach them and see if Relievers, some catching depth and a prospect can interest them.

     



    I understand where you are coming from, but I still think our biggest weakness is SP, Power clean-up hitter, and a LF'er who can platoon with Gomes and maybe Victorino in RF at times.

     

    If we pick up anyone before the season starts, it will probably be the platoon corner OF'er who maybe can play 1B as well.

    I'd rather trade Doubront, Salty and a relief pitcher or two for a much better SP under team control for 3+ years, but I seriously doubt that can or will happen.

     

     



    Agreed.  Brandon Moss or David Murphy would be perfect; however, i doubt either is available.

     

    I'm interested in Garret Jones, but again, not sure if the Pirates would move him.  Notin threw the name Will Venable out there, which is very intriguing.  I would love to bring in Cocoa as well (very good friends w Gomes and Ortiz), but I have a Cocoa poster hanging in my office, so that may be my bias talking.  

    To be honest though, I'm not necessarily against giving Nava or Kalish a shot.  Its just that this is 450 AB role, and I worry about Nava's power/defense w/ that many at-bats.  Also: Kalish has struggled (even in AAA) since 2010.

    If Nava was the righty and Gomes was the lefty, Id be find w/ a Nava/Gomes platoon.



    Well said. I think Ben is done with the OF. It will be Nava or Kalish as the platoon with Gomes.

     
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    It seems clear no matter who we want on the 25 man roster, that we have extra depth in the bullen and at Catcher.....I was pushing earlier in the off season to look to get Ike Davis from the Mets....LH, IB fits perfectly with us(except for the plate discipline)....the Mets are desperate for relivers and before the Dickey trade also needed a Catcher......I would still approach them and see if Relievers, some catching depth and a prospect can interest them.

     



    I understand where you are coming from, but I still think our biggest weakness is SP, Power clean-up hitter, and a LF'er who can platoon with Gomes and maybe Victorino in RF at times.

     

    If we pick up anyone before the season starts, it will probably be the platoon corner OF'er who maybe can play 1B as well.

    I'd rather trade Doubront, Salty and a relief pitcher or two for a much better SP under team control for 3+ years, but I seriously doubt that can or will happen.

     

     



    Agreed.  Brandon Moss or David Murphy would be perfect; however, i doubt either is available.

     

    I'm interested in Garret Jones, but again, not sure if the Pirates would move him.  Notin threw the name Will Venable out there, which is very intriguing.  I would love to bring in Cocoa as well (very good friends w Gomes and Ortiz), but I have a Cocoa poster hanging in my office, so that may be my bias talking.  

    To be honest though, I'm not necessarily against giving Nava or Kalish a shot.  Its just that this is 450 AB role, and I worry about Nava's power/defense w/ that many at-bats.  Also: Kalish has struggled (even in AAA) since 2010.

    If Nava was the righty and Gomes was the lefty, Id be find w/ a Nava/Gomes platoon.



    To be fair, Kalish has been struggling with some fairly serious injuries the last 2 years. He's (relatively) healthy now and I fully expect him to come to ST and beat out Nava.

     
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    To be fair, Kalish has been struggling with some fairly serious injuries the last 2 years. He's (relatively) healthy now and I fully expect him to come to ST and beat out Nava.

    I don't, but his ability to play much better good+ defense at all OF positions may tip the balance if it is close.

     
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    It seems clear no matter who we want on the 25 man roster, that we have extra depth in the bullen and at Catcher.....I was pushing earlier in the off season to look to get Ike Davis from the Mets....LH, IB fits perfectly with us(except for the plate discipline)....the Mets are desperate for relivers and before the Dickey trade also needed a Catcher......I would still approach them and see if Relievers, some catching depth and a prospect can interest them.

     



    I understand where you are coming from, but I still think our biggest weakness is SP, Power clean-up hitter, and a LF'er who can platoon with Gomes and maybe Victorino in RF at times.

     

    If we pick up anyone before the season starts, it will probably be the platoon corner OF'er who maybe can play 1B as well.

    I'd rather trade Doubront, Salty and a relief pitcher or two for a much better SP under team control for 3+ years, but I seriously doubt that can or will happen.

     

     



    Agreed.  Brandon Moss or David Murphy would be perfect; however, i doubt either is available.

     

    I'm interested in Garret Jones, but again, not sure if the Pirates would move him.  Notin threw the name Will Venable out there, which is very intriguing.  I would love to bring in Cocoa as well (very good friends w Gomes and Ortiz), but I have a Cocoa poster hanging in my office, so that may be my bias talking.  

    To be honest though, I'm not necessarily against giving Nava or Kalish a shot.  Its just that this is 450 AB role, and I worry about Nava's power/defense w/ that many at-bats.  Also: Kalish has struggled (even in AAA) since 2010.

    If Nava was the righty and Gomes was the lefty, Id be find w/ a Nava/Gomes platoon.

     



    To be fair, Kalish has been struggling with some fairly serious injuries the last 2 years. He's (relatively) healthy now and I fully expect him to come to ST and beat out Nava.

     


    I agree carnie.  I think that we have seen all that Nava has to offer at the major league level, and it isn't quite good enough for a 1st division team with hopes of competing.  Kalish on the other hand was just scratching the surface of what he can do as a 22 yr. old in 2010.  Then a series of injuries derailed him for the better part of 2 seasons.  I don't think Nava makes this team out of spring training unless Kalish suffers an injury.

     
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    Re: 25 man roster crunch

    Now Kalish is supposedly getting surgery. There goes one decision.

    Nava's the man.

     
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    Re: 25 man roster crunch

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    The  25 man roster is an issue as is the 40.

    21 pitchers and 5 catchers on the 40. That leaves 13 position players and a DH and that's without Napoli on the roster. Pretty simple #1 move--DFA Alex Hassan. That still only gives you 13 position players.

    The next step is for management to convince BenC having 5 catchers on the 40 is insane and to trade someone. The depth chart @ C after Salty and Ross: I'd say Lav, Vazquez and Butler. One of those 5 has to go.

    Nava, Kalish, Hassan---one has to go (Hassan).

    Then start paring away at the pitchers--which includes most pitchers that will be starters at AAA. They could option Taz and bring him back for the start of the season, maybe Kalish.

    The issue is BenC has to really learn how to let players go through trades or being DFA'd. Then how to manage his 25 and 40 man rosters.

     

     




    Salty and Ross in MLB, Lavarnway and Butler at AAA, Vasquez in AA...No problem there...

    Managing this 25 and 40 man roster is NOT an easy job for any GM. Next year will be much tougher as most of our top 40 prospects will be rule-5 eligible. Choosing who to Dfa or protect for the Sox the next couple years will involve a lot of unpopular decisions...

    He doesnt want to trade the future unless its for an elite proven MLB player. Think Stanton, Verlander etc..So I wouldnt say he needs to learn to trade. Its just a matter of who his willing to trade for.

     

     
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    Re: 25 man roster crunch

    Many prospects do not need to be on the 40 man roster yet, so it's not all about having 5 catchers or 3 on the 40 man. It's about protecting the best 40 players who need to be on the 40 man of DFA'd.

     
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