2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox

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    You guys should try applying case studies to this new format...doing so will show the utter lunacy of it.

    Take the 2003 and 2004 seasons...in each, the Yankees and Red Sox were clearly the two best teams in baseball (while some NL teams had very good records, the NL at the time was clearly a step below the AL, and so records between leagues are not comparable). The biggest difference between the Yankees and Red Sox was depth, which is the main advantage the extra Yankee payroll provided.

    With the new system, the 2003 and 2004 Red Sox teams, in each case at worst the second best team in the entire game, would have its entire season decided by a single game against an undeserving opponent. All this to prevent the occasional season in which a team "coasts to a wild card"?

    Keep in mind that this new system will also murder the chances of a Wild Card team to win the World Series. Play your best pitcher in the one game playoff, and even if you win you're now tired, travelling, and your best pitcher down going into a best of five series...good luck with that.

    Again, case study...the 1999 Red Sox. That team was flawed, and not championship caliber, but was carried by Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra, and a number of veterans who worked their butts off. Remember Pedro's grand heroics in the ALDS against the Indians that year? Under the new system, the Sox would have been forced to pitch Pedro in the one game playoff, and in the event the team still advanced, would have been limited to one appearance by Pedro in the series...which means they would literally have had no chance to advance. What fun!

    As for those of you who say "this makes winning the divison matter again", keep in mind that for a long time there were no divisons at all, so why are they so special. If anything, divisions allow the second best team in a league to often be stuck without any home field advantage, while inferior teams in other divisions get an undeserved boost. The Wild Card was eventually added because the 103 Giant team missed the playoffs behind the 104 win Braves team in 1993 (while the Phillies won 97 games), and baseball wanted to allow the ability for two great teams from the same division to make the postseason. It's all very fair.

    The current system is a silly, grossly unbalanced and unfair system. If baseball really wanted to add a boost for the best teams, take six teams from each league, give the best two a bye, and add a second best of 5 round. It would lengthen the season and allow mediocre teams to make the playoffs, but so will the current system, and at least that system is less of a gimmick (and rewards truly being good, as opposed to just being good enough to win a mediocre division).

    Or here's a better idea: keep the current system! That way you rarely see a mediocre team make the playoffs, rarely see a deserving team miss the playoffs, and all the teams that make it have a fairly balanced chance to win the WS (while giving the better teams a slight but noticable advantage). But as with all sports, baseball likes money, and that's what this really comes down to, even though it will destroy the fairness and balance that baseball has enjoyed recently.

    Expect changes again before too long. There WILL be a sixth playoff team in each league, and baseball will be just like the NBA and NHL...long, boring playoffs with lots of wasted rounds and mediocrity.
     
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    [QUOTE]You guys should try applying case studies to this new format...doing so will show the utter lunacy of it. Take the 2003 and 2004 seasons...in each, the Yankees and Red Sox were clearly the two best teams in baseball (while some NL teams had very good records, the NL at the time was clearly a step below the AL, and so records between leagues are not comparable). The biggest difference between the Yankees and Red Sox was depth, which is the main advantage the extra Yankee payroll provided. With the new system, the 2003 and 2004 Red Sox teams, in each case at worst the second best team in the entire game, would have its entire season decided by a single game against an undeserving opponent. All this to prevent the occasional season in which a team "coasts to a wild card"? Keep in mind that this new system will also murder the chances of a Wild Card team to win the World Series. Play your best pitcher in the one game playoff, and even if you win you're now tired, travelling, and your best pitcher down going into a best of five series...good luck with that. Again, case study...the 1999 Red Sox. That team was flawed, and not championship caliber, but was carried by Pedro Martinez, Nomar Garciaparra, and a number of veterans who worked their butts off. Remember Pedro's grand heroics in the ALDS against the Indians that year? Under the new system, the Sox would have been forced to pitch Pedro in the one game playoff, and in the event the team still advanced, would have been limited to one appearance by Pedro in the series...which means they would literally have had no chance to advance. What fun! As for those of you who say "this makes winning the divison matter again", keep in mind that for a long time there were no divisons at all, so why are they so special. If anything, divisions allow the second best team in a league to often be stuck without any home field advantage, while inferior teams in other divisions get an undeserved boost. The Wild Card was eventually added because the 103 Giant team missed the playoffs behind the 104 win Braves team in 1993 (while the Phillies won 97 games), and baseball wanted to allow the ability for two great teams from the same division to make the postseason. It's all very fair. The current system is a silly, grossly unbalanced and unfair system. If baseball really wanted to add a boost for the best teams, take six teams from each league, give the best two a bye, and add a second best of 5 round. It would lengthen the season and allow mediocre teams to make the playoffs, but so will the current system, and at least that system is less of a gimmick (and rewards truly being good, as opposed to just being good enough to win a mediocre division). Or here's a better idea: keep the current system! That way you rarely see a mediocre team make the playoffs, rarely see a deserving team miss the playoffs, and all the teams that make it have a fairly balanced chance to win the WS (while giving the better teams a slight but noticable advantage). But as with all sports, baseball likes money, and that's what this really comes down to, even though it will destroy the fairness and balance that baseball has enjoyed recently. Expect changes again before too long. There WILL be a sixth playoff team in each league, and baseball will be just like the NBA and NHL...long, boring playoffs with lots of wasted rounds and mediocrity.
    Posted by redsoxu571[/QUOTE]

    This post = +++++
     
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    I like it, because I think it is a great idea to make winning the division mean something. Under the current format, a team with two dominant starters and two medicore starters has just as good a chances to move on to the world series as the team that won the division because of their starting rotation depth.....at least with the one game playoff, one of those top starters will have to be used which will give the well deserved edge to the Division Winner in the next round....teams are built to win over the long haul.....if they have deficiencies...they shouldnt get a pass if those defieciencies can be masked in a 5 game series.
     
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    Winning the division would still mean something if the wildcard teams played a 3-5 game series instead of a 1 game playoff. The problem isn't the second wildcard it's the stupid 1 game playoff format. 
     
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    [QUOTE]This whole two WC teams thing just about eliminates any chance of a WC team winning the Division Series. Think about the pitching matchups if you will.  The two wild card teams have to throw their ace against each other, so the winner of that game has used up their ace and has to go to the #2 guy to face the ace of the team that won its division. In most cases a team that wins its divison has a REAL ace, so the first game will go to the division winner. Then it becomes a #2 vs a #3, then a #3 vs a #4, and it doesn't seem to be a stretch to think that the divison champion's #2 is going to be significantly better than the WC team's #3, and so on. I'm not even saying whether this is right or wrong - that's something for each of us to believe individually - but it sure does steepen the road for the winner of the WC game.   
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    A flaw in your supposition is that the #1 is even available for the one game playoff. He could have been used to even get to the playoff or simply does not have at least 3 days rest.
     
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    [QUOTE]Winning the division would still mean something if the wildcard teams played a 3-5 game series instead of a 1 game playoff. The problem isn't the second wildcard it's the stupid 1 game playoff format. 
    Posted by northtroyboy[/QUOTE]

    Playing a 3-5 game playoff to get in creates other stupid problems with teams sitting for 4-6 days and losing their edge as they wait it out.

     
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    Not necessarily Moon. It could give the division winners time to get their rotations in order so they can lead off their series with their aces. It's possible it could help them more than it hurts them. I'm not really sure why everyone seems to be so for a one game playoff. It just doesn't make sense in baseball. Do you not agree?
     
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    [QUOTE]You guys should try applying case studies to this new format...doing so will show the utter lunacy of it. Take the 2003 and 2004 seasons...in each, the Yankees and Red Sox were clearly the two best teams in baseball (while some NL teams had very good records, the NL at the time was clearly a step below the AL, and so records between leagues are not comparable).
    Posted by redsoxu571[/QUOTE]
    In 2003, the Red Sox posted a 95-67 record playing in a division that finished a cumulative 22 games above .500. The Oakland Athletics posted a 96-66 record playing in a division that finished a cumulative 26 games above .500.

    After losing the first two games, the Red Sox took a five-game series from the Athletics despite being outscored in the 2003 ALDS series.

    It's hard to argue that the 2003 Sox were clearly better than the Athletics.
     
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    Not necessarily Moon. It could give the division winners time to get their rotations in order so they can lead off their series with their aces. It's possible it could help them more than it hurts them. I'm not really sure why everyone seems to be so for a one game playoff. It just doesn't make sense in baseball. Do you not agree?

    NO, but I don't think a 3 or 5 game series works either. If I had to choose, I'd go with the one game over making 6 teams wait it out.
     

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