2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox

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    [QUOTE]I like the idea overall - still would like to see about 25 games shaved off the regular season. First Saturday in October - 12PM - Game One of the WSC!
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]
    And star players will make 25k again...
     
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    Expand the roster to 27 and play more Double-headers. End the season around Sept 15th and 6 teams make the playoffs from each league.

    You could give the top 2 teams a bye and have the bottom 4 play a 3 or 5 game series, but that would be a lot of down time for the better teams, or...

    Here's a wild idea:

    Round 1: The division winners play 3-two game series vs all the 3 WC teams (2 series at home and one on the road). The best 4 records advance (Ties play a 1 game playoff game).

    Think of the TV and gate money this would generate. That's an extra 36 playoff games with this added round.

    Round 2: 7 game series

    WS: 7 or 9 game series

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox : And star players will make 25k again...
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    I assume your joking because otherwise that is just pure idiocy.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Lets face it, the AL wildcard slot usually comes out of the east and it usually belongs to the Sox. If the Sox have to start playing a one game playoff to advance further into the playoffs, that's going to significantly hurt the Sox chances of advancing. Lots of things can happen in a one game playoff that can cause the better team to lose. Plus the Sox will likely be facing the ace of the other team for this one game playoff, even some weak small market clubs have shutdown aces on their staff.            Point is a one game playoff isn't a fair way to determine the better team. Bud Selig is putting a second wildcard in place because of overwhelming interest by team owners but has he considered if it's something the fans want?             Do you want a second wildcard slot? Do you think a one game playoff is fair? Maybe he would consider a three game playoff to better represent the better team?
    Posted by northtroyboy[/QUOTE]

    What if the Sox were the second wildcard and beat team with better record? Would you say thats not fair???
     
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    You could make the case that having even one wild card team is not fair to the division winners. It is all about maintaining interest and , of course, revenue.  I hope baseball never expands the playoffs beyond the second wild card. The NBA and NHL have gone way too far.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Lets face it, the AL wildcard slot usually comes out of the east and it usually belongs to the Sox. If the Sox have to start playing a one game playoff to advance further into the playoffs, that's going to significantly hurt the Sox chances of advancing. Lots of things can happen in a one game playoff that can cause the better team to lose. Plus the Sox will likely be facing the ace of the other team for this one game playoff, even some weak small market clubs have shutdown aces on their staff.            Point is a one game playoff isn't a fair way to determine the better team. Bud Selig is putting a second wildcard in place because of overwhelming interest by team owners but has he considered if it's something the fans want?             Do you want a second wildcard slot? Do you think a one game playoff is fair? Maybe he would consider a three game playoff to better represent the better team?
    Posted by northtroyboy[/QUOTE]

    WOW, you went with the SUPER obvious.....

    It also hurts the sox because if there are TWO wildcards then there are more teams still in the hunt.  If more teams are in the hunt then less teams are sellers at the trade deadline.   Therefore less possibility of making the fixes half-way through the year that allow you to make a long run into the playoffs.

    When they installed the wildcard July ( deadline) trading diminished.... the second wildcard may make it go away entirely.

    PS: the sox are going into the year (2012) with the idea of starting well, seeing where they are and what they need come july and grabbing a spare part......  What if 25 of 30 teams are still in some form of race?
     
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    Denny Galehouse will be available for that wild-card playoff, so I'm feeling pretty good about the Sox chances....*cough*
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox :  If more teams are in the hunt then less teams are sellers at the trade deadline.   Therefore less possibility of making the fixes half-way through the year that allow you to make a long run into the playoffs. When they installed the wildcard July ( deadline) trading diminished.... the second wildcard may make it go away entirely.
    Posted by FenwayChuck[/QUOTE]

    Don't forget, that it already looked like there would be far fewer July trades because of the restructured FA compensation.  A team can't trade for someone during the season and then get comp for them leaving via FA.  This creates a much larger gap between what a player is worth to his own team, and what another team is willing to give up for him.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox : Don't forget, that it already looked like there would be far fewer July trades because of the restructured FA compensation.  A team can't trade for someone during the season and then get comp for them leaving via FA.  This creates a much larger gap between what a player is worth to his own team, and what another team is willing to give up for him.
    Posted by JB-3[/QUOTE]

    All the more reason to trade now for those types of players rather than wait for july.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox : What if the Sox were the second wildcard and beat team with better record? Would you say thats not fair???
    Posted by donrd4[/QUOTE]

         If you read my post you could answer this question yourself. I stated that I don't believe a one game playoff is a fair way to determine the better team. So if the Sox were the inferior team and they got lucky and won a one game playoff I would think that was a bit unfair to th other team. Teams aren't structured for this type of thing. Teams are currently built in a way that shows dominance over a several game series. A one game series is like a lottery ticket in a lot of ways. 

         My post is just to point out how the second wildcard spot hurts the Sox chances of advancing in the playoffs more then it hurts most other teams. Playing in the AL east makes it very tough to win the division and lets face it, we usually don't. But we do often win the wildcard. Out of the last fourteen years we've taken the wildcard seven times (50% of the time). The only other club in the AL that has more then one wildcard birth is the Yanks with two of them.

         The Sox season will now often come down to a one game death match. That is what I don't consider fair. A one game playoff is not a fair way to determine the better team and teams aren't designed to show all their strengths over one game. I'm not against a second wildcard teams but I'd like to see them hold a longer series to determine the better team.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Lets face it, the AL wildcard slot usually comes out of the east and it usually belongs to the Sox. If the Sox have to start playing a one game playoff to advance further into the playoffs, that's going to significantly hurt the Sox chances of advancing. Lots of things can happen in a one game playoff that can cause the better team to lose. Plus the Sox will likely be facing the ace of the other team for this one game playoff, even some weak small market clubs have shutdown aces on their staff.            Point is a one game playoff isn't a fair way to determine the better team. Bud Selig is putting a second wildcard in place because of overwhelming interest by team owners but has he considered if it's something the fans want?             Do you want a second wildcard slot? Do you think a one game playoff is fair? Maybe he would consider a three game playoff to better represent the better team?
    Posted by northtroyboy[/QUOTE]
       Yes I like it, but should be 2 out of 3.
     
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     My post is just to point out how the second wildcard spot hurts the Sox chances of advancing in the playoffs more then it hurts most other teams. Playing in the AL east makes it very tough to win the division and lets face it, we usually don't. But we do often win the wildcard. Out of the last fourteen years we've taken the wildcard seven times (50% of the time). The only other club in the AL that has more then one wildcard birth is the Yanks with two of them.

    I agree, a one game playoff is not really a "fair" way to advance to the next round, but it isn't like it's a new thing. Ties have been settled this way for a long time.

    Yes, we have made the playoffs via the WC in 7 of the last 14 years, and having to play a 1 game playoff would have certainly hurt our chances those 7 years. We may not have even won in 2004 or 2007 had we not won the initial playoff game. We may have lost even if we had won, since the pitching match-ups would have all been different afterwards.

    Then again, we'd have been given a chance in these years we missed:
    2011 vs TB
    2010 vs NYY
    2002 vs LAA
    1996 (3 way tie for 2nd WC slot)
     
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    That's a great point Moon and I'm not really against that second wildcard spot, I'd just like to see something better then a one game playoff put in place.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Lets face it, the AL wildcard slot usually comes out of the east and it usually belongs to the Sox. If the Sox have to start playing a one game playoff to advance further into the playoffs, that's going to significantly hurt the Sox chances of advancing. Lots of things can happen in a one game playoff that can cause the better team to lose. Plus the Sox will likely be facing the ace of the other team for this one game playoff, even some weak small market clubs have shutdown aces on their staff.            Point is a one game playoff isn't a fair way to determine the better team. Bud Selig is putting a second wildcard in place because of overwhelming interest by team owners but has he considered if it's something the fans want?             Do you want a second wildcard slot? Do you think a one game playoff is fair? Maybe he would consider a three game playoff to better represent the better team?
    Posted by northtroyboy[/QUOTE]

    The best team has the best hitting, pitching, fielding and coaching in combination, though not necessarily the absolute best in any one catagory. If the Red Sox or any other team can't win a single one game playoff, then they don't deserve to go any further!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox : The best team has the best hitting, pitching, fielding and coaching in combination, though not necessarily the absolute best in any one catagory. If the Red Sox or any other team can't win a single one game playoff, then they don't deserve to go any further!
    Posted by pjrbosox[/QUOTE]


         Baseball teams are built to win over a 2-4 game series during the year and 5-7 game series during the playoffs. That's why teams don't just have one or two starting pitchers. They build rotations. One pitcher having a bad game shouldn't spell the end of a season. Maybe you should watch more football if the winner take all thing is what you're looking to see. That's just not how the game of baseball works. To say a baseball team that can't win a one game series doesn't deserve to advance is just plain stupid. Why play a seven game World Series then? Shouldn't the game 1 winner be the victor with your logic?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox :      Baseball teams are built to win over a 2-4 game series during the year and 5-7 game series during the playoffs. That's why teams don't just have one or two starting pitchers. They build rotations. One pitcher having a bad game shouldn't spell the end of a season. Maybe you should watch more football if the winner take all thing is what you're looking to see. That's just not how the game of baseball works. To say a baseball team that can't win a one game series doesn't deserve to advance is just plain stupid. Why play a seven game World Series then? Shouldn't the game 1 winner be the victor with your logic?
    Posted by northtroyboy[/QUOTE]

    What it comes down to is if a team wants to have a fair chance in the playoffs, then they should win their division.

     
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    If you make the 1 game playoff into a series of 3 or 5 games, then the other teams must sit and wait, and that doesn't help their mojo either. 

    There is no simple solution to adding a playoff team. This isn't football, where teams can take a week off with a bye and stay sharp.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox : What it comes down to is if a team wants to have a fair chance in the playoffs, then they should win their division.
    Posted by JB-3[/QUOTE]
    Bingo.
     
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    Although it appears unfair from a Sox point of view, it is what it is.   Previous records of a one-game playoff situation has not seen the Sox fare well but that was then and now is now.    Entirely different scenario with today's players in a different era.
    The 1st question to be asked is if the Sox can get in a position to be in a playoff position with the AL West stronger and the same for the Rays in the AL East  ?
     
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    [QUOTE]so you're already playing for the wildcard?  if the sox win the division, this wouldn't be a problem.  and also, with an extra wildcard, thats an advantage to the sox...or yankees, or whoever is close.  if there were two wildcards last year, the sox make the playoffs.
    Posted by eddiewilson[/QUOTE]


    We don't have to play for the WC anymore, Francona is gone remember?
    BTW: Doesn't anyone find it odd that no team hired him to manage?
     
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    In response to "Re: 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox": [QUOTE]In Response to Re: 2nd Wildcard spot really hurts the Sox : We don't have to play for the WC anymore, Francona is gone remember? BTW: Doesn't anyone find it odd that no team hired him to manage? Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE] Seems like a lot of people want to bash Tito. It would appear his strategy worked. I would rather have almost all WC spots and 2 WS, than all the Yankees division crowns and only 1 WS. Just have to come up with a new strategy. What worked in the past may no longer be tenable. But it did work, I tip my hat to Tito. It will be interesting to watch the different strategies teams come up with.
     
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    Makes sense for Div. winner to get some sort of advantage. I also felt there were times in past that teams didn't push to win division. Now might be different attitude about winning division vs. just getting in.
     
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    It used to drive me crazy how Tito would actually seem to prefer the wildcard, and state 95 wins as the goal. I'm hopeful, and fairly certain, that our new manager has loftier goals and will actually require this team to fight for the AL East title. It's another huge improvement that we are going to enjoy. 95 wins will be the least acceptable performance, not the "goal".
     
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