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     For all the off season machinations and aquisition celebrations, the vaunted Old Towne Offense has totaled just 33 more runs than the 2010 cabbage-patch-work
    kids. Wooohoo we got Adrian Gonzales, but lost Adrian Beltre, A-Gon needs 4 more extra base-hits to catch Beltre BTW. We got Pedroia for a full seson, but lose Bill Hall. Youk plays 18 more games, but hits 2 less homeruns. Ellsbury explodes with 20 more homers than expected, and JD Drew hits 18 less. This years team of veterans and free agents sits 17 HR's behind last year's minor leaguers and cast offs. Can't blame Francona for that, this group did not live up to their press clipppings.
     
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    With all due respect, it's an idiotic comparision right now. You're comparing what they scored in 162 games last year with what they scored in 156 games.

    The Sox still have six games to play. If they average five runs per game in those five games, which is lower than their average, that means the Sox will have scored 63 more runs than last year (881 in 2011 to 818 in 2010). That's a signicant increase.

    The offense, for the most part, has lived up to its billing despite some the ups and downs, especially when you take into consideration the loss of Youk again for the second half of the season.

     
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    With all due respect, it's an idiotic comparision right now. You're comparing what they scored in 162 games last year with what they scored in 156 games. The Sox still have six games to play. If they average five runs per game in those five games, which is lower than their average, that means the Sox will have scored 63 more runs than last year (881 in 2011 to 818 in 2010). That's a signicant increase. The offense, for the most part, has lived up to its billing despite some the ups and downs, especially when you take into consideration the loss of Youk again for the second half of the season.
    Posted by royf19


     Roy, indulge me for a moment please, I'm digging into the statistical differences
    between the two teams. The 2011 club was engineered a certain way, the 2010 team was a result of unforseen events. One would expect that a plan would go a lot better than a random collection of players accumulated by injuries. The '10 team had 106 HR from RH batters, the '11 team, just 47. Playing half the games at Fenway, where RH's can feast, this is astonishing, and points to the dual failure of signing Crawford, and missing Hunter Pence, the lack of RH power is killing us, see Mark Reynolds last night. The Crawford mistake will be elaborated on shortly. Even with six games remaining the sample sizes are in, and they're big enough.
     
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    Too bad about Mike Flannigan. I share your heartbreak Youkillus. What a shame.
     
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     The opposition has hit 94 RH homers against us, remember now we have 47. Shouldn't we hit at least as many as the teams we play?
     
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    Too bad about Mike Flannigan. I share your heartbreak Youkillus. What a shame.
    Posted by BeaconHill19


     What?... If you're a lawyer, then I'm for tort reform.
     
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     For all the off season machinations and aquisition celebrations, the vaunted Old Towne Offense has totaled just 33 more runs than the 2010 cabbage-patch-work kids. Wooohoo we got Adrian Gonzales, but lost Adrian Beltre, A-Gon needs 4 more extra base-hits to catch Beltre BTW. We got Pedroia for a full seson, but lose Bill Hall. Youk plays 18 more games, but hits 2 less homeruns. Ellsbury explodes with 20 more homers than expected, and JD Drew hits 18 less. This years team of veterans and free agents sits 17 HR's behind last year's minor leaguers and cast offs. Can't blame Francona for that, this group did not live up to their press clipppings.
    Posted by YOUKILLUS20



    You are missing mentioning another player in addition to Beltre whom I miss this year, V Martinez who is batting .326 vs. Beltre .290 !!! We should have kept both those guys---wouldn't it be nice to have Beltre at 3rd now with Youk ailing & still gone after Agon but not Crawford and gone after Hunter Pence and probably saved some $50 Mil !!! VMartinez also could play first to give ailing Agon a rest.

    Oh well, Monday Morning quarterback...mea culpa !
     
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    In Response to 33 RUNS : You are missing mentioning another player in addition to Beltre whom I miss this year, V Martinez who is batting .326 vs. Beltre .290 !!! We should have kept both those guys---wouldn't it be nice to have Beltre at 3rd now with Youk ailing & still gone after Agon but not Crawford and gone after Hunter Pence and probably saved some $50 Mil !!! VMartinez also could play first to give ailing Agon a rest. Oh well, Monday Morning quarterback...mea culpa !
    Posted by mandobello


     My first choice for FA signing was Jason Werth, and even though he had a tough summer, he's out producing CC, and he can actually throw the ball too.
     Beltre and Martinez had to go, due to their age, but not getting a legit RH bat,
    that was a mistake.
     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS :  Roy, indulge me for a moment please, I'm digging into the statistical differences between the two teams. The 2011 club was engineered a certain way, the 2010 team was a result of unforseen events. One would expect that a plan would go a lot better than a random collection of players accumulated by injuries. The '10 team had 106 HR from RH batters, the '11 team, just 47. Playing half the games at Fenway, where RH's can feast, this is astonishing, and points to the dual failure of signing Crawford, and missing Hunter Pence, the lack of RH power is killing us, see Mark Reynolds last night. The Crawford mistake will be elaborated on shortly. Even with six games remaining the sample sizes are in, and they're big enough.
    Posted by YOUKILLUS20


    I think people are too hung up on this RH batter thing. Look, Crawford was certainly overpaid and its' fine to say he was a mistake signing.

    But to say the lack of RH power is killing the Sox is tremendously overstated. The Sox need just six more home runs to hit more than 200 homers for just the ninth time in the team's history. Does it really matter if it's a RH or LH that hitting them.

    And if they end up with 881 runs scored, it's the 10th-best total in the team's  history. The Sox have also hit left-handers just fine overall for the most part.

    If the lack of RH power is a weakness, well it was one they've had all year. Yet they had one of the top two or three records in baseball through five months of the season along with the most prolific offense.

    The problem in September is starting pitching. (Relievers haven't been great, but the bullpen has been overworked). The starting pitching this month has been historically bad.
     
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     A most telling statisic is the 23 walks that Crawford has worked. This guy doesn't work the count, and never has. His career high is 51, this would tie him for sixth among this years' regulars. By comparison, JD Drew has 33 walks in half a seson. Crawford just wasn't going to be a high on-base guy, he doesn't have the religion, and is a bad fit, based on his history.
     
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    Beltre is actually younger than Youk...albeit by just a few week or so. 
     
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    In Response to 33 RUNS : You are missing mentioning another player in addition to Beltre whom I miss this year, V Martinez who is batting .326 vs. Beltre .290 !!! We should have kept both those guys---wouldn't it be nice to have Beltre at 3rd now with Youk ailing & still gone after Agon but not Crawford and gone after Hunter Pence and probably saved some $50 Mil !!! VMartinez also could play first to give ailing Agon a rest. Oh well, Monday Morning quarterback...mea culpa !
    Posted by mandobello


    Of course earlier in the season it was nice to have Youk when Beltre was on the DL. Even with the games he's missed recently, Youk has played more games (120) than Beltre (118).

    Also can we get off the Victor Martinez thing. He's not a better option than Ortiz or A-Gon at DH and 1B respectively and he's not an every day catcher. Nice guy, good player, no role on this team.

    And can we stop with the handwringing about the offense. The Sox will end up in the top 10 in their history in homers and runs scored. If you want to moan and groan, it's the PITCHING.
     
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    ...and just for grins...Jason Werth is just a month or so younger than Beltre.
     
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    It's all relative...

                    2010 > 2011
    Boston      818 > 851   +33
    New York  859 > 828   -31
    Rangers    787 > 811   -24
    Detroit      751 > 735   -16

    The season isn't over, but the offensive swing will be the highest for the Sox.

    Scoring is down this year, but not for us.
    Our pitching is the problem.
     
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    Beltre is actually younger than Youk...albeit by just a few week or so. 
    Posted by traven


    No wonder they got rid of him.
     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS : I think people are too hung up on this RH batter thing. Look, Crawford was certainly overpaid and its' fine to say he was a mistake signing. But to say the lack of RH power is killing the Sox is tremendously overstated. The Sox need just six more home runs to hit more than 200 homers for just the ninth time in the team's history. Does it really matter if it's a RH or LH that hitting them. And if they end up with 881 runs scored, it's the 10th-best total in the team's  history. The Sox have also hit left-handers just fine overall for the most part. If the lack of RH power is a weakness, well it was one they've had all year. Yet they had one of the top two or three records in baseball through five months of the season along with the most prolific offense. The problem in September is starting pitching. (Relievers haven't been great, but the bullpen has been overworked). The starting pitching this month has been historically bad.
    Posted by royf19


      The overweighted LH line-up allows the opposition to pitch inside to lefties, which makes them pull the ball at Fenway, which is deadly. Imagine the Yankees, turning their line-up around and going mostly RH, they won't do it because it's foolish, given the ballpark foot print. Not having RH power, makes the other team's lefty relievers better too. Hall and Beltre had 50 HR last year, all of the Sox RH's have 47. The original concept was dead wrong, that's the point.
     
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    Boston is:

    First in the ML in runs.

    First in the ML in hits.

    First in the ML in doubles.

    Third in the ML in homers.

    First in the ML in total bases.

    First in the ML in RBI.

    Second in the ML in batting average.

    Fist in the ML in OBP.

    First in the ML in slugging percentage.

    First in the ML in OPS.

    If you think the offense is the problem you have no clue about baseball.  It is the best offense in MLB.  Easily.


     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS :   The overweighted LH line-up allows the opposition to pitch inside to lefties, which makes them pull the ball at Fenway, which is deadly. Imagine the Yankees, turning their line-up around and going mostly RH, they won't do it because it's foolish, given the ballpark foot print. Not having RH power, makes the other team's lefty relievers better too. Hall and Beltre had 50 HR last year, all of the Sox RH's have 47. The original concept was dead wrong, that's the point.
    Posted by YOUKILLUS20

    Yeah so the whole first in runs thing doesn't mean anything.  Got it.

    It's the pitching dude.  Pay attention.

     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS :   The overweighted LH line-up allows the opposition to pitch inside to lefties, which makes them pull the ball at Fenway, which is deadly. Imagine the Yankees, turning their line-up around and going mostly RH, they won't do it because it's foolish, given the ballpark foot print. Not having RH power, makes the other team's lefty relievers better too. Hall and Beltre had 50 HR last year, all of the Sox RH's have 47. The original concept was dead wrong, that's the point.
    Posted by YOUKILLUS20


    You'd have a point if runs and homers were down for the Sox. The fact is, they'll finish in the top 10 all-time in their history in those categories so it's hard to see where it's a problem.

    If the lack of power/production from RH batters was a critical problem, it would show up in the numbers. However, the Sox have been bashing the ball all year and while there's been inexplicaple droughts, it didn't affect the team in a negative way through the first five months of the season.

    If the pitching didn't go into the toilet in September, the Sox would have at least 93 wins right now regardless of how the lineup sets up.
     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS : Yeah so the whole first in runs thing doesn't mean anything.  Got it. It's the pitching dude.  Pay attention.
    Posted by snakeoil123


     Sepember has magnified the fantasy league stats you're paying attention to, The record is 5-16. The five wins came when they scored 10 or more runs! Six losses because they scored two or less runs, 12 losses came on 4 or less runs scored. Four more losses when they scored 5 runs, blame the pitchers for those. The offense is unbalanced, and being exploited. Pay attention.
     
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    Let's see: Dingers suddenly are now the bench mark, eh?
    We don't sign VMART for 13-16 mil a year and go with unproven Salty and ole man Tek. Result: Tek/Salty tandem have 27 dingers to VMART'S 11. This over 52 more at bats. And most of VMART'S HR's have been when not catching...thus his concentration is on hitting.

    The team is also not committed to aging VMART'S heavy contract.
     
     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS :  Sepember has magnified the fantasy league stats you're paying attention to, The record is 5-16. The five wins came when they scored 10 or more runs! Six losses because they scored two or less runs, 12 losses came on 4 or less runs scored. Four more losses when they scored 5 runs, blame the pitchers for those. The offense is unbalanced, and being exploited. Pay attention.
    Posted by YOUKILLUS20


    No offense Youk but maybe you should be paying a bit more attention.

    The Sox have played 21 games in September and the pitching has allowed four runs or less just five times. FIVE TIMES. That's absolutely pathetic.

    Yes, the offense failed in the 1-0 loss on Sept. 5 and in two other losses of 4-2 and 4-3. But no offense is going to put up a ton of runs every game. Just take a look at the runs the pitching staff has allowed then come back and tell me it's the offense's problems for September.

    If you have to depend on your offense to score six or seven runs every game to win, you're in trouble.
     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS : No offense Youk but maybe you should be paying a bit more attention. The Sox have played 21 games in September and the pitching has allowed four runs or less just five times. FIVE TIMES. That's absolutely pathetic. Yes, the offense failed in the 1-0 loss on Sept. 5 and in two other losses of 4-2 and 4-3. But no offense is going to put up a ton of runs every game. Just take a look at the runs the pitching staff has allowed then come back and tell me it's the offense's problems for September. If you have to depend on your offense to score six or seven runs every game to win, you're in trouble.
    Posted by royf19


    Is this an unintended pun?
     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS : Is this an unintended pun ?
    Posted by harness


    Yeah. (LOL).
     
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    In Response to Re: 33 RUNS : No offense Youk but maybe you should be paying a bit more attention. The Sox have played 21 games in September and the pitching has allowed four runs or less just five times. FIVE TIMES. That's absolutely pathetic. Yes, the offense failed in the 1-0 loss on Sept. 5 and in two other losses of 4-2 and 4-3. But no offense is going to put up a ton of runs every game. Just take a look at the runs the pitching staff has allowed then come back and tell me it's the offense's problems for September. If you have to depend on your offense to score six or seven runs every game to win, you're in trouble.
    Posted by royf19


     The Rays got back in playing 11-9 baseball in September. There were 12 games where the Sox scored 4 or less, all LOSSES. So sure, you can't win them all, but 12 games with 4 or less runs? That's not the formula for winning.
     
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