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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 9:49 AM EST

    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    In response to EnchiladaT's comment:

     

    I always thought 28-33 were prime....  Dwight Evans was the first player that caused me to start poking around to which I found many players had their best years 28+ not -28.

     




    exactly Burr...

     

    Hitters peak about the age 30 and in decline at age 33...Some things peak earlier like SLG 2b & 3b at age 28. BB rates peak about age 32, OBP about age 30. So yes, peak years for hitters are 28-32. The best years to get are ages 29-30...

    For pitchers its much different. K's rates peak about age 24 and BB rates about age 32 and ERA about age 29. Besides K rates its about the same for pitchers...



    I've told Softlaw (and others) before that there is no need to guess on these issues.  They can be easily researched, and when they are proven wrong, it makes them look foolish.

    To be honest, I thought the peak was 27, but of course, I would've looked it up before posting that.

    And +1 on giving the breakdown.

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 9:55 AM EST

    In response to georom4's comment:

    this is making me laugh...i guess some are claiming that contracts are torn up and reduced by 90% all the time....

    i can count the number on one hand in the past five years who didnt pass the physical...it is quite rare...


    any argument to save ben some embarrassment regarding his GM acumen i guess...



    Just like you'll use any excuse to bash Ben. Honestly geo, this is getting almost as ridiculous as your jihad against Francona. Who, btw, remains the only Red Sox manager to win a world series since Ed Barrow.

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 5:22 PM EST

    In response to georom4's comment:

     

    What is the over under on games played by napoli in 2013

     

    84....say I

     

    what say you

     



    Nap should give us exactly what Salty did last season "25 plus HR's" but with a much higher OBP from at least one side of the plate and less IF defense. 

     

    So here is where we really stand presently ....

    #1 Weaker at 1B

    #2 Dempster and Lackey deeper at SP, whatever that ends up meaning 

    #3 Better defensively at C with Ross which could help our ERA

    #4 No better off as a team regarding OBP unless we platoon guys perfectly while guys like Ells and Pede rebound.

    #5 Better clubhouse chemistry

    #6 A well liked manager who used to be a pitching coach which could be a plus

    #7 Maybe better at SS if Drew can have a career year which is possible

    #8 Better overall in the pen

    #9 Insurance for Ells in Victorino

    #10 A still very uncertain OF


    I still say 88 wins at best with good health and no further upgrades.  A little help from the unexpected would also be nice.

     

     

     

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 5:36 PM EST

    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:


    Completely agree that this is the right deal for right now.  And that its not fair to use hindsight to critique the deal at a later date.  However, after the Beltre year, didnt you wish that we had him for a second yr at the same price?  How about Ross?

    Im a big fan of Napoli's attitude and bat.  I was just pointing out the possibility that he plays 130 games and mashes.  Leaving us wishing that we had him locked up for another yr.  Of course, this doesnt mean that we should criticize Ben as 1@5 is a much better deal right now.




    I understand what you are saying. It would have been nice to have Beltre for more than one year after seeing his production the year he was here and after he left. But I have no regrets about his deal then or the Napoli deal now. You gotta do the right thing and not look back. Napoli was given his deal, $13M x 3 with the assumption that his hip was fine and that he would produce. In a year I doubt he will be worth much more than that. If it all works out he will be a year older with the same hip issues and if he is producing and if he likes it here, we should be able to get him to stay for about the same money he was originally offered.

    [/QUOTE]


    Of course if Jackie Bradley and Blake Swihart (the picks we got for Beltre) turn out as hoped we'll be laughing.

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 7:09 PM EST

    In response to craze4sox's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to georom4's comment:

     

    What is the over under on games played by napoli in 2013

     

    84....say I

     

    what say you

     



    Nap should give us exactly what Salty did last season "25 plus HR's" but with a much higher OBP from at least one side of the plate and less IF defense. 

     

    So here is where we really stand presently ....

    #1 Weaker at 1B

    #2 Dempster and Lackey deeper at SP, whatever that ends up meaning 

    #3 Better defensively at C with Ross which could help our ERA

    #4 No better off as a team regarding OBP unless we platoon guys perfectly while guys like Ells and Pede rebound.

    #5 Better clubhouse chemistry

    #6 A well liked manager who used to be a pitching coach which could be a plus

    #7 Maybe better at SS if Drew can have a career year which is possible

    #8 Better overall in the pen

    #9 Insurance for Ells in Victorino

    #10 A still very uncertain OF


    I still say 88 wins at best with good health and no further upgrades.  A little help from the unexpected would also be nice.

     

    82 wins would be good



     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 7:46 PM EST

    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    In response to EnchiladaT's comment:

     

    I always thought 28-33 were prime....  Dwight Evans was the first player that caused me to start poking around to which I found many players had their best years 28+ not -28.

     




    exactly Burr...

     

    Hitters peak about the age 30 and in decline at age 33...Some things peak earlier like SLG 2b & 3b at age 28. BB rates peak about age 32, OBP about age 30. So yes, peak years for hitters are 28-32. The best years to get are ages 29-30...

    For pitchers its much different. K's rates peak about age 24 and BB rates about age 32 and ERA about age 29. Besides K rates its about the same for pitchers...




     

    Maturity kicks in and their raw talent has been harnessed. 

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 7:49 PM EST

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

    In response to EnchiladaT's comment:

     

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

     

    In response to EnchiladaT's comment:

     

    A) He has NEVER mashed.... and B) he has never played in 145 games.

     

    La la la Land I have two BDC posters waiting in line for two tickets to pardise.

     



    He has always mashed.  Since 2008, Napoli is #16 among all MLB hitters in wOBA.  And #9 in slugging %.

     

     



    easy to do when u have the luxury of skipping more than 40 games a year..... percentages don't mean squat. He has half as many AB's as players such as AGon so how can his averages and percentages be compared fairly?

     

     



    So your original premise was that he 'has NEVER mashed, but now you are changing that to 'he has always mashed, but added a rationale?

     

    And the rationale that you added is that wear-and-tear reduces a players' ability to hit.  Which is probably supportable, but runs counter to previous premise that his catching had no affect on the number of games player, unless it is now your premise that playing 1B is more wear and tear than catching.



    nope... a guy who averages 20.8 homers a year isn't a masher. Simple as that. I wager if he ever played in 150 games his numbers would not rise much at all... he would tucker out, go through droughts, and in the end might have 25 homers. 

     

    He already is a DH and because everyone wanted to keep Ortiz around until he was 50 we have no space on the team for Napoli.

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 10:11 PM EST

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:

    To be honest, I thought the peak was 27, but of course, I would've looked it up before posting that.

    In fact, you look foolish pretending that southfaux's general comments mean that "hitters peak in their thirties". Anyone who understands aging knows that athletic potential peaks in the twenties.

    Napoli will get a boost from Fenway, but one comparison to his past will show a player who is arleady past his prime years.



    OPS 26-30 .734

    OPS 31-35 .750

    2012 AL

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 11:02 PM EST

    In response to LR3683paw's comment:

    One good thing for the survival of this forum is that Enchilada will still have Napoli to bash throughout the 2013 season. It will fill the void that is left since Crawford is now gone and Andrewmitch has nothing to do. It will fill the void since Georom doesn't have a ChickenGate or Beckett to bash anymore. This leaves center stage to Enchilada - Burrito to do his act. It will be fum for those who fall for the act.



    you mean like you?? you always take the bait. hook, line and stinker

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/19/2013 11:27 PM EST

    In response to mef429's comment:

    In response to LR3683paw's comment:

     

    One good thing for the survival of this forum is that Enchilada will still have Napoli to bash throughout the 2013 season. It will fill the void that is left since Crawford is now gone and Andrewmitch has nothing to do. It will fill the void since Georom doesn't have a ChickenGate or Beckett to bash anymore. This leaves center stage to Enchilada - Burrito to do his act. It will be fum for those who fall for the act.

     



    you mean like you?? you always take the bait. hook, line and stinker

     



    It was nice and peaceful here for a while during the banning.

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 12:32 AM EST

    In response to georom4's comment:

     

    this is making me laugh...i guess some are claiming that contracts are torn up and reduced by 90% all the time....

    i can count the number on one hand in the past five years who didnt pass the physical...it is quite rare...


    any argument to save ben some embarrassment regarding his GM acumen i guess...

     




    So wait - let's recap.

     

     

    When Napoli was signed, the contracts was too long.  During the ensuing weeks, georom repeatedly stated Napoli was a bad deal when the inferior Adam LaRoche could be had for less.

     

    Now, it turns out, Napoli cost less han LaRoche in terms if salalry, years, draft picks and draft pick budget.  Still, georom does not approve based upon health issues that he knows about, but were clearly missed by the Red Sox medical staff that discovered the problems that lead to this whole scenario.

     

    And now, because the Sox got the guy they wanted for less money and years than Plan B, Cherington is apparently clueless because georom has found taking wrath to non-players is one way to avoid mea cuplas when players actually, you know, perform.

     

    See, folks, now if Napoli has a good year, georom will not have to admit he is wrong.  "No, no, I was never against Napoli (he was).  It was Cherington that I didn't like."

     

    Confusd yet? Need a program? Well, it si easier than you think. no matter what goes on with the Sox, georom will find a way to publicly speak out against it, usually for no other reason than that he thinks disagreement makes him look smarter (it doesn't).  and we all know on the ridiulously small off chance the Sox are 1 of 29 teams that do not win the 2013 World Series, georom will be at the forefront, proclaiming he knew this all along, it was inevitable, and it was brought about by Cherington's incompetence. 

     

    At which point, I will be pointing out the season had by Adam LaRoche as a reminder for humility.

     

     

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 12:36 AM EST

    notin you need to log that post somewhere and save it for a rainy day in September.... 

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 6:45 AM EST

    In response to notin's comment:

    In response to georom4's comment:

     

    this is making me laugh...i guess some are claiming that contracts are torn up and reduced by 90% all the time....

    i can count the number on one hand in the past five years who didnt pass the physical...it is quite rare...


    any argument to save ben some embarrassment regarding his GM acumen i guess...

     




    So wait - let's recap.

     

     

    When Napoli was signed, the contracts was too long.  During the ensuing weeks, georom repeatedly stated Napoli was a bad deal when the inferior Adam LaRoche could be had for less.

     

    Now, it turns out, Napoli cost less han LaRoche in terms if salalry, years, draft picks and draft pick budget.  Still, georom does not approve based upon health issues that he knows about, but were clearly missed by the Red Sox medical staff that discovered the problems that lead to this whole scenario.

     

    And now, because the Sox got the guy they wanted for less money and years than Plan B, Cherington is apparently clueless because georom has found taking wrath to non-players is one way to avoid mea cuplas when players actually, you know, perform.

     

    See, folks, now if Napoli has a good year, georom will not have to admit he is wrong.  "No, no, I was never against Napoli (he was).  It was Cherington that I didn't like."

     

    Confusd yet? Need a program? Well, it si easier than you think. no matter what goes on with the Sox, georom will find a way to publicly speak out against it, usually for no other reason than that he thinks disagreement makes him look smarter (it doesn't).  and we all know on the ridiulously small off chance the Sox are 1 of 29 teams that do not win the 2013 World Series, georom will be at the forefront, proclaiming he knew this all along, it was inevitable, and it was brought about by Cherington's incompetence. 

     

    At which point, I will be pointing out the season had by Adam LaRoche as a reminder for humility.

     

     



    I'd say that pretty much sums it up.

     

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 10:11 AM EST

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

    In response to EnchiladaT's comment:

     

    A) He has NEVER mashed.... and B) he has never played in 145 games.

     

    La la la Land I have two BDC posters waiting in line for two tickets to pardise.

     



    He has always mashed.  Since 2008, Napoli is #16 among all MLB hitters in wOBA.  And #9 in slugging %.

     

    #9!  Even I didnt know that.

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 10:11 AM EST

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

    Im a big fan of Napoli's attitude and bat.  I was just pointing out the possibility that he plays 130 games and mashes.  Leaving us wishing that we had him locked up for another yr.  Of course, this doesnt mean that we should criticize Ben as 1@5 is a much better deal right now.

    It's a win-win.  If he plays 145 games with 30 HRs and a .265, we give him a QO and everyone goes home happy.




    Good point.

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 10:23 AM EST

    In response to Drewski5's comment:

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

     

    Im a big fan of Napoli's attitude and bat.  I was just pointing out the possibility that he plays 130 games and mashes.  Leaving us wishing that we had him locked up for another yr.  Of course, this doesnt mean that we should criticize Ben as 1@5 is a much better deal right now.

    It's a win-win.  If he plays 145 games with 30 HRs and a .265, we give him a QO and everyone goes home happy.

     




     

    Good point.



    Just something I brought up on S.T.F.U.  Drew, Napoli, Ells, and Hanrahan are four players who could possibly be offered a QO.  Ells just needs to be about average, Hanrahan great, and Drew and Napoli not much more than healthy.  I'd bet we offer at least 2 QO's to those players, which is two more low-end #1s.

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 10:47 AM EST

    .500    enjoy the season delusioned bootlickers...ben is gone in 2014

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 10:53 AM EST

    In response to Drewski5's comment:

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

     

    Im a big fan of Napoli's attitude and bat.  I was just pointing out the possibility that he plays 130 games and mashes.  Leaving us wishing that we had him locked up for another yr.  Of course, this doesnt mean that we should criticize Ben as 1@5 is a much better deal right now.

    It's a win-win.  If he plays 145 games with 30 HRs and a .265, we give him a QO and everyone goes home happy.

     




     

    Good point.



    Its win-win for everyone but georom.  He HAS to find fault somehow because otherwise he might have to admit Cherington made a good move.

     

    What he still fails to see is if Napoli plays no games, the fact that he is being paid Kevin Correia money becomes a huge safety net....

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 12:09 PM EST

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    .500    enjoy the season delusioned bootlickers...ben is gone in 2014



    So you think they would fire the guy for only improving the team by 17%?

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 12:24 PM EST

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    .500    enjoy the season delusioned bootlickers...ben is gone in 2014

     




     

     

     

    so what?

    anyone that takes the job , you will simply whine about.



    Not necessarily.  He didn't whine about the hiring of Bobby V whom he liked a '"get tough" guy.  If Geo lauds instead of whines, then it might be time to be concerned as a Red Sox fan.   

     

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    Re: 39 million to 5 million?????

    posted at 1/20/2013 1:40 PM EST

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    .500    enjoy the season delusioned bootlickers...ben is gone in 2014

     




     

     

     

    so what?

    anyone that takes the job , you will simply whine about.

     



    Not necessarily.  He didn't whine about the hiring of Bobby V whom he liked a '"get tough" guy.  If Geo lauds instead of whines, then it might be time to be concerned as a Red Sox fan.   

     



    The only reason he lauded Valentine was to avoid a serial whiner label after years of whining about Francona...