950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

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    950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    Hi, Seattle fan here. I'd like some of your thoughts on the prospects who might be coming to the Mariners for Bedard. The local sports radio host says the Red Sox and Mariners have been talking for "several hours" about a trade that would send Erik Bedard + Aaron Laffey to Boston for Josh Reddick + Felix Doubront + Alex Wilson. The deal is contingent on 1. Bedard proving he's healthy on Friday, and 2. the Red Sox swinging a deal for a right-fielder to replace Reddick. According to one source, the Red Sox want a chance to talk to Bedard about an incentive-laden team option for 2012, as a condition precedent to making this deal. The same source said the Sox are optimistic about landing an outfield bat. Carlos Quentin and Hunter Pence were mentioned. No word on who the Sox would give up for one of those guys. This is a Seattle show and the focus was more on the Mariners.

    I'd appreciate any insight you guys might have on Doubront + Wilson, in particular. I see Reddick has been torrid.

    Thanks.
     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    Interesting stuff... do you have a link?

    If it's true, I'm not so sure I agree with the decision unless they have something huge up their sleeves to get Hunter Pence.

    From Seattle's standpoint, they'd get a starting OF'er (Reddick), a Major League ready starter in Doubront and another starter that will likely reach the Majors within the next year or so in Wilson.  I believe Wilson has been a AA All-Star the past 2 seasons.

    I'm just trying to think of where the Sox would go next if they were to make this deal.  In order to get Pence, they'd have to probably give up a package like Kalish, Lavarnway, Middlebrooks, Ranaudo because Pence's deal is very affordable.

    If Theo's mindset is putting all your chips in Pence's basket for the next few seasons and then blowing up the farm knowing that your position players (with the exception of SS) will be locked up for at least another 2 seasons beyond this one, then I guess I get where he's coming from.  It just sounds very risky to me.

    One thing that has been bugging me for awhile though is the outfield depth they have in the minors.  In theory, you have 4-5 guys that could be competing for the RF spot over the next couple of seasons.  At some point, the Sox have to look into trading 1 or 2 of them while their stocks are still high.
     
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    I'd send Kalish over Reddick. But I did say the team would pursue Beddard after hearing about Buch. 
    I still think the likelihood is Quentin, but Pence/Quentin and Beddard (getting a full year of Beddard) gives the team that "#3" arm and the RH outfielder.

    Just hate to lose Reddick...
     
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    I'd send Kalish over Reddick. But I did say the team would pursue Beddard after hearing about Buch.  I still think the likelihood is Quentin, but Pence/Quentin and Beddard (getting a full year of Beddard) gives the team that "#3" arm and the RH outfielder. Just hate to lose Reddick...
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    It wouldn't matter who you send if you're getting back Pence.  Getting Pence would basically solidify the OF for at least another 2 seasons beyond this one.  I just don't get why this can't just end at Bedard instead of blowing up the farm to get Pence.  If Reddick goes to Seattle then that basically guarantees another big deal for that OF bat.
     
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    In Response to Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters : It wouldn't matter who you send if you're getting back Pence.  Getting Pence would basically solidify the OF for at least another 2 seasons beyond this one.  I just don't get why this can't just end at Bedard instead of blowing up the farm to get PenceIf Reddick goes to Seattle then that basically guarantees another big deal for that OF bat.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988


    You just answered UR own question.
    Seattle allegedly wants Reddick. That mandates another deal.

    Pence has a career .338 OBP in the retirement league.
    Quentin would be a good power bridge at less cost.

     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    Ellsbury/Crawford = CRAWBURY. That "bust" will lead us into October high-lights.
    Quentin would be going from a heralded pitcher's park to cozy Fenway.
    He has more dingers in less AB's over the last 4 years against better - than UR retirement-league stud. And he's far less costly.
     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    CRAWBURY = tandem.
    No need for Kemp. Most pitchers are RH.
     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    Kemp is working on a 7-year deal. Don't ya just hate players playing for a contract.
    Retirement league trap. Never even hit 30 dingers.
    Quentin should be good for 35 in a full Fenway season, at an affordable cost.

    Keep moving the goal-posts.

     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    It would be interesting if this were the plan but why do we keep getting into these multiple team projects and usually end up with nothing? If I were Theo, I'd try to keep it simple this year but  wonder if this guy has a real inside scoop. I would think not.

    I've looked at Seattle's farm though and it looks pretty bad to me.
     
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    In Response to Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters:
    Quentin's career splits are a joke. If Jenks dumpster dive wasnt enough. Remember, most pitchers are rh, Harnut.
    Posted by billbyboy


    Along with Wastefield, Fatfield, Crawbury, Crawbust, Theo bass, Harnut, Slackey, etc, Has this been added to the Newspeak dictionary? The Midnight In The Garden of Good & Evil edition?
     
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    In Response to Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters:
    Ah, temper temper. You heralded Crawford and deny Crawbust. Quentin career splits are exposed and why Williams is trying to hood Theo sea bass. Worked with Jenks.  Are your disability injuries bothering you as you sit down all day.   
    Posted by billbyboy

    To quote harness quoting BurritoT a few weeks ago, "teee-hee, haha, tee-hee."



     
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    In Response to Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters : To quote harness quoting BurritoT a few weeks ago, "teee-hee, haha, tee-hee."
    Posted by BurritoT


    Jesus, he even types teee wrong. Try using UR extra finger.
     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    Better Kalish goes than Reddick, but if Seattle wants Reddick and the Sox can bring home another OFer, then the deals look reasonable -- always depending upon what it costs to land the OFer.  
    Quentin would probably mash in Fenway and even on the road. But why are the White Sox moving him when they still have a chance to win the AL Central?  Has he gone south? 
    Bedard can pitch when he's upright, which, supposedly, he is at the moment. But he has had difficulty remaining in that position.
    Bedard or someone else, Boston needs a pitcher that can be slipped in after Beckett and Lester. Then if Lackey can at least hold his own or better, the Sox can wing-it in the 5 slot.  
     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

     Quentin career splits are exposed ...


    His splits have way less differential than Kemps and he'll take a fraction of the prospects it would take to get Kemp

    Career splits:

    Kemp vs LHPs: .946
    Kemp vs RHPs: .789
    Overall: .831 
    Differential: .157

    Quentin vs LHPs: .795
    Quentin vs RHPs: .855
    Overall: .840
    Differential: .060

    (Sidenote: silly clown has been bashing Reddick for 3 years on small sample sizes, and has continually said no prospects should stand in the way of getting top quality players via trade. Now, after a very good small sample size 2011 season for Reddick, silly clown has changed his tune once again.)
     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    In Response to Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters:
    Simple look at Quentin's career splits and Pence exposes this expensive dumpster dive. Theo doesn't need a Rh OF bat according to harness because most pitchers are right handed. Crawbust says otherwise.
    Posted by billbyboy


    "crawbust" --i like that. kind of like "theo inepstein."
     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    trade is bs
     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    here's an idea;

    how about the SOX package a couple of lesser prospects and THEO EPSTEIN for BEDARD and the mariner's GM.

     
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    Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters

    In Response to Re: 950 KJR reporting Red Sox and Mariners agree to overall parameters:
    Interesting stuff... do you have a link? If it's true, I'm not so sure I agree with the decision unless they have something huge up their sleeves to get Hunter Pence. From Seattle's standpoint, they'd get a starting OF'er (Reddick), a Major League ready starter in Doubront and another starter that will likely reach the Majors within the next year or so in Wilson.  I believe Wilson has been a AA All-Star the past 2 seasons. I'm just trying to think of where the Sox would go next if they were to make this deal.  In order to get Pence, they'd have to probably give up a package like Kalish, Lavarnway, Middlebrooks, Ranaudo because Pence's deal is very affordable. If Theo's mindset is putting all your chips in Pence's basket for the next few seasons and then blowing up the farm knowing that your position players (with the exception of SS) will be locked up for at least another 2 seasons beyond this one, then I guess I get where he's coming from.  It just sounds very risky to me. One thing that has been bugging me for awhile though is the outfield depth they have in the minors.  In theory, you have 4-5 guys that could be competing for the RF spot over the next couple of seasons.  At some point, the Sox have to look into trading 1 or 2 of them while their stocks are still high.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988


    What do his MLB stats look like? Actually his Pawtucket stats don't even impress that much.....this guy has been overrated from the get go.....but so is Bedard so I like this deal.
     
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