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A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!

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    Best definition of terrorism I've ever heard:

    deliberate attacks on civilian populations for political gain. By way of example, the attack on the WTC was terrorism, whereas the attack on the Pentagon was a act of war.
     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    those are your words (and you keep twisting mine and make inane assumptions w/o any real basis) - I never gave my opinion of the Founding Fathers but it should be obvious what it is the point is that our Founding Fathers would be considered terrorists based on our the US's current definition....that's the point....you just want to continue to try and bash me and make personal attacks.....and you are missing the point..... by the way, you mention the innocent murder of civilians.  were any innocent civilians murdered by the US military during the war on terror?

    Posted by andrewmitch


    The fact that you can't seem to make the distinction should settle the issue for everyone!

    I don't think you realize just how "out there" you truly are???  It seems others may not either???
     
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    I never equated our founding fathers with Islamic Fundamentalists - that's you twisting my words and making the issue very emotional as evidenced as your attacks towards me.  Look at how Space communicates with me.  He may not agree but he's civil and rationale. 

    So why don't you tell me:  how is a group of people overthrowing their goverment through violence not considered an act of terrorism?  if a group today tried to do that would they not be considered terrorists? 

     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dwikileaks%2Biraq%2Bcivilian%2Bmurder%26aq%3Df&has_verified=1&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fverify_age%3Fnext_url%3Dhttp%253A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%253Fv%253Dis9sxRfU-ik
     
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    it's a valid question

    point being that this nation was founding on overthrowing it's very own goverment - right or wrong is not the issue...........the issue is what happened.


    actually, I thought it was those american patriots that threw the british out of america similar to how the scots got england out of scotland. I believe it's called establishing freedom from tyranny.
     
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    sure, if you are the freedom fighters...but if you are the governments it's terrorism
     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    I never equated our founding fathers with Islamic Fundamentalists - that's you twisting my words and making the issue very emotional as evidenced as your attacks towards me.  Look at how Space communicates with me.  He may not agree but he's civil and rationale.  So why don't you tell me:  how is a group of people overthrowing their goverment through violence not considered an act of terrorism?  if a group today tried to do that would they not be considered terrorists? 
    Posted by andrewmitch



    posted at 5/2/2011 2:22 PM EDT
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    Just remember, the biggest "terrorists" in the history of the nation had names like Washington, Henry, and Jones.........
    _________________


    $170 Million Dollar Payroll and not one bona fide lefty in the pen....

    Just who were these chaps??????


    With ALL YOU HAVE SAID here today, I still can't believe many are still treating what you're saying with even a shred of SERIOUSNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I'VE OFFICIALLY ENTERED THE TWILIGHT ZONE!!!
     
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    That's good.  Just make comments in an attempt to bash me without answering very reasonable questions that were put forth to you.

     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    That's good.  Just make comments in an attempt to bash me without answering very reasonable questions that were put forth to you.
    Posted by andrewmitch



    I simply keep posting YOUR WORDS


    I'm not going to seriously respond to sheer insanity!!!!!!!

    I'm not saying you personally are insane, but what you have SAID IS!!!
     
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    No, you are doing far more than just posting my words...You are adding many assumptions and conclusions while dodging all of the questions I asked you.  And you refuse to do some critical thinking on the matter as you are far too emotional on the topic.  It's OK.  I forgive you.
     
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    Are our "chickens coming home to roost?"  Rev. Wright????????

    Those who use such an occasion to bash our country for PAST mistakes, totally ignoring our overwhelmingly positive effect on the general course of history.......
     
    ARE SIMPLY THE CORE OF THE BLAME AMERICA FIRST CROWD!!!!!!

    The U.S. has, and will continue to make, terrible mistakes given the state of the world AS IT IS!!!!  WE ARE OFTEN FACED WITH HORRIBLE CHOICES given this
    imperfect world, with NO GOOD CHOICES!!!!

    People like andrewmitch try to obscure this reality & hold the U.S. & ALL her decisions IN THE PAST accountable to hindsight with ZERO regard for history & the absolute lack of ANY GOOD CHOICES!!!!!!!

    andrewmitch references Cambodia...................  Is he aware of Pol Pot & his "killing fields" after the U.S. pulled out.  I suppose he thinks that was OUR
    (the U.S.'s) fault also.

    If you choose to continue this madness of engaging someone like this, have at it.................

    AT LEAST KNOW THAT IT IS TOTAL INSANITY!!!!!! 

     
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    your last post is nothing more than what i said:  a rant in an attempt to discredit me by making your own assumptions and conclusions about specifics that i never even touched on....for example:  where did i reference cambodia?  where did i say our chickens are coming home to roost?  etc etc please stop spreading disinformation about me.

    Again, it's clear that your allegiance is to the District of Columbia, Incorporated.  Mine is not.  Mine is with my one and only Master.  Time to move on.......
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    It's sad really.  andrewmitch left for quite some time after being soundly rebuked for his first ignorant post on this thread.  He waits a while (an hour or two), then comes back with even nuttier stuff.......

    Many engage him?????  I simply don't get it.

    THE POINT OF THIS THREAT WAS TO SAY THANKS TO OUR BRAVE YOUNG MEN & WOMEN IN THE MILITARY & INTEL. COM.

    this clown doesn't care who's honor he has to tread on to salvage even the slightest vindication of even the most irrelevant point he chooses to make at any particular time.

    HAVE AT IT PEOPLE!  KEEP ENGAGING THIS GUY AS THOUGH SOME OF HIS POINTS HAVE SOME MERIT!
    THAT'S ALL HE WANTS!

     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    Hatfields vs. McCoys have a shootout in the woods. It's a battle. If Grandpa Hatfield sneaks into the McCoy backyard and poisons their dog in the middle of the night, that's terrorism. Grandma McCoy retaliates by by drowning the Hatfields' cat, more terrorism. Perhaps a stupid analogy but I hope that you get my point - just a bit.
    Posted by pike


    Sure, but it is not always that black and white. 

    Was it state sponsered terrorism when US soldiers murdered villages of Vietnamese civilians?

    I think it is way to easy for the U.S. to catergorize civilian death as a casuality of war.   Tommy Franks famously said "we don't do body counts".  That sort of attitude demonstrates a lack of concern for the loss of civilian life, which is alledgedly the exact act that we as Americans are responding to.    
     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!! : It is estimated that 3 million(some estimates as high as 5 million) Vietnamese civialians were killed during the U.S. invasion of Vietnam and the instability that followed. I don't believe that accounts for the deaths in Cambodia or Laos. It is amazing what we are able to sweep under the rug and/or justify in the name of America.
    Posted by Calmy



    For that I apologize!  Thought it was you!  However, you went on to say...............................................
     
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    I am sorry.  Next time I will be sure not to take 2 hours away from this forum....I didn't read my forum manual this morning.

    Meanwhile you say that anyone who engages me is nuts yet no one has "engaged" me more than you.......if you considering throwing insults at me as "engaging"....too bad you can't simply discuss the issue rationally and logically so you feel the need to insult nor answer a single one of my simple and direct questions.  I feel sorry for you.

    What I originally took issue w/ was the "God Bless America" comment and IMO most people in this nation are Godless.........Period.  Say what you want.  I am outta here.....
     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    yup, that was another unjust "war" look at the videos on wikileaks of our "brave men and women" with trillions of dollars of arms gunning down unarmed civilans running away in sandals.......their use of torture.......etc etc etc
    Posted by andrewmitch

     
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    It's sad really.  andrewmitch left for quite some time after being soundly rebuked for his first ignorant post on this thread.  He waits a while (an hour or two), then comes back with even nuttier stuff....... Many engage him?????  I simply don't get it. THE POINT OF THIS THREAT WAS TO SAY THANKS TO OUR BRAVE YOUNG MEN & WOMEN IN THE MILITARY & INTEL. COM. this clown doesn't care who's honor he has to tread on to salvage even the slightest vindication of even the most irrelevant point he chooses to make at any particular time. HAVE AT IT PEOPLE!  KEEP ENGAGING THIS GUY AS THOUGH SOME OF HIS POINTS HAVE SOME MERIT! THAT'S ALL HE WANTS!
    Posted by redsoxdirtdog


    What do YOU want?
     
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    Ipso facto................  You completely agree with Calmy 
     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!! : What do YOU want?
    Posted by Roadrunner9234


    What I want is no longer possible.......

    When he originally started on this thread, railing against God blessing OUR NATION, "because, as he still DEMANDS, WE ARE MOSTLY Godless............"
    I did not want him taking over this WELL INTENTIONED thread.

    HE keeps bringing it back to HIS points........

    Oh well!

    SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I SHOULD HAVE JUST IGNORED HIM.  I'M TRULY SORRY!!!!!

    PERHAPS I'VE DONE WHAT HE WANTED ALL ALONG????  SHAME ON ME!
     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!! : What I want is no longer possible....... When he originally started on this thread, railing against God blessing OUR NATION, "because, as he still DEMANDS, WE ARE MOSTLY Godless............" I did not want him taking over this WELL INTENTIONED thread. HE keeps bringing it back to HIS points........ Oh well! SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I SHOULD HAVE JUST IGNORED HIM.  I'M TRULY SORRY!!!!! PERHAPS I'VE DONE WHAT HE WANTED ALL ALONG????  SHAME ON ME!
    Posted by redsoxdirtdog


    Or focus on what you bring to the forum instead of worrying about other people's contributions.
     
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    Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!

    Political opinions on this forum obviously vary to a great extent , just as they do in the country in general. That's just the way things are. However, I have to feel that there is something fundamentally wrong with any American who does not take satisfaction in the demise of a man who is responsible for the deaths of some three thousand Americans and who represents the face of evil in the world.  I say this: Congratulations to our courageous Navy Seals for a job well done!!!!  End of story.
     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!! : Or focus on what you bring to the forum instead of worrying about other people's contributions.
    Posted by Roadrunner9234


    Agreed!  I am sorry!  It's a little too personal!  I never should have engaged!

    NO MORE politics for me on this site!
     
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    In Response to Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!:
    Was it state sponsered terrorism when US soldiers murdered villages of Vietnamese civilians? I think it is way to easy for the U.S. to catergorize civilian death as a casuality of war. Tommy Franks famously said "we don't do body counts". That sort of attitude demonstrates a lack of concern for the loss of civilian life, which is alledgedly the exact act that we as Americans are responding to. You are right. The Army was completely wrong to inflict civiliam casualties under their "pacification" iniatiative in Viet Nam. There was no excuse for it . Some of it was "collateral" damage in their defense and it happened in that theatre and it was in the heat of a war. Terrorism is not collateral or accidental damage. It is intentional. It is not in a war theatre or locale or in the heat of a battle with men in black pajamas shooting at you from the cover of a jungle or in trees in the black of night. A Muslim terrorists does not arrive at a scheduled battle at a predetermined location as participants in a war do. They assign cowardly acts throughout the World at any time or place against innocent (non-combatant) civilians. Many of the innocent victims have no understanding of what is happening politically in the Middle East. The victims of the Oklahoma City bombing were not guilty for the Waco incident. Such cowardly acts in the name of pursuing your political agenda against innocent uninvolved civilians is my definition of terrorism. It isn't IMO a difficult concept or definition to grasp.
    Posted by pike



    I'm in no way attempting to disagree with you, I just think in our current world what is or isn't an act of terror is not as clear as maybe it once was.   I think we make the mistake of thinking that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are operating in a far more isolated sense than they are, and I mean that both physically on philosophically.  We have learned today that Pakistan, on some level, has been largely complicit in housing Osama for years.  Personally, I always found the idea that he was living in cave, rolling around his IV cart to be proposterous and downright hilarious. My point though, is that it is more simplistic to label these acts of terror when they are being carried out by rogue individuals, when in reality much of what Al Qaeda does, is supported by governments around the world.

    As for the philosophy behind the "terrorism", on 9/11 they attacked strategic targets within our borders.  The pentagon is a military target, the WTC is a economic target.  It is labeled terrorism because the planes are full of civilians but when the U.S. bombs a target their are going to be civilian casualties associated with that target.  Maybe a janitor, maybe in the building next door. 

    Whether or not the civilian death is deliberate isn't all that relevant to me.  I just find it overly simplistic to say we are at war and they are terrorists, when both sides show the same indifference for innocent life.
     
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    Re: A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR NAVY SEALS & MEN & WOMEN IN UNIFORM & UNDER COVER!!!

    Thank you to all the men and women in and out of uniform that protect our country.

    Thank you for sending PE#1 a one-way, all-expenses paid ticket to the other side.  Justice will never be served for what that evil being committed, but at least the thug can no longer directly harm anyone.

    God bless.
     
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