Re: A case for David Ortiz to the HOF
posted at 12/26/2013 5:03 PM EST
In response to Bill-806's comment:
In response to BoSoxChuck's comment:
In response to mef429's comment:
bill is a racist. his posts -current and past- are proof enough.
on to the point of the thread.... i am extremely surprised no one has mentioned the actual criteria of getting into the hall aside from numbers on the field. "character, integrity and sportsmanship". three things that David "big papi" Ortiz embodies. He is one of the more beloved players among his peers in all of baseball. no matter where the sox play or who the sox play, there are multiple members of the opposing team coming out to greet papi and recieve a big hug. he gives back to the community of Boston as well as his homeland and the Roberto clemente award he received proves that (to say nothing of the efforts by him and the rest of the team in the aftermath of marathon monday). The weight of this criteria is up for debate but they ARE taken into account. that is an undeniable fact after the last round of voting.
onto the numbers.... if he retired today, his regular season numbers would be borderline HoF worthy. if you include PS numbers as well as his 3 rings and title of DH GOAT i think he makes it.
if he plays for another 2-3 years with decent-solid production then that only further solidifies his place in the HoF. i do not think the PED rumors (i hesitate to even call them "rumors" because there was only one whisper of it that was extremely vague. A tweet from "the Onion" has more validity than the claim that papi was on PEDs.) will affect him for the reasons stated above.
Yup. Big Papis character and sportsmanship were on display when he took a bat to a dugout phone and almost injured a player. Its on display every time he sulks at contract time. He's a great DH for the Sox but he is a one dimensional player and one dimensional players don't make it to the HOF unless they are a pitcher.
[/QUOTE]WOW....... Do you know that you have just spoken out/up to the "PAPI DOZEN" on this board that thinks that PAPI can do no wrong and is a better ball player than anyone else that have ever graced the diamond !!!! WOW, I salute your strength under the fact that you will be DEMONIZED for going against (with opinion) the great baseball Gods on this board !!!!
You're one to talk about demonizing someone.
Do you really believe the garbage you right? A person isn't the sum of their worst traits, but you're too bitter to realize this. You've made it your agenda to bash Ortiz for any flimsy reason, real or imagined and most of the time imagined, then paint the guy based on mistakes he made.
Those of us with brains realize that an athlete is just like the rest of us -- a person with human foibles who make mistakes. So we look at the sum of a person, for how much we can know an athlete by interviews and other news reports, and balance the good with the bad. Ortiz surely isn't perfect. But he surely isn't anything near the way you want to portray him.
Yes, Ortiz's name was on the 2003 report. We don't know what it was, and it very easily could have been something in an over-the-counter supplement he got in the DR. So anyone who simply dismisses the notion that Ortiz might have done something purposely or accidentally is being incredibly naive, especially from what we've seen with athletes in many sports over the past two decades.
But playing judge and jury and convicting Ortiz into perpetuity based on that one incomplete report and ignoring all the other tests he passed, including the more extreme World Baseball tests, and ignoring that he has never been linked to anything else is hardly being enlightened. Your head is as deeply in the sand as the other group.
The fact is we don't know for sure either way. So it's not wrong togive the guy the benefit of the doubt, while keeping an open mind.