Re: A closer Look at Iggy's 2012 MLB Season
posted at 10/22/2012 9:12 PM EDT
moon, I'm curious as to why you feel we won't make the playoffs? Our FO will surely make some moves with all the salary they dumped.
1) I happen to think that management will not go on a spending spree this winter, but rather will begin rebuilding slowly and thoughtfully. If I am wrong, and they go all out this winter, then I am OK with keeping some of the players I have recently suggested trading with an eye towards 2014 and beyond.
2) After the big trade, we stunk and still stink on paper- in terms of projected production for 2013 alone. Until I see what we do, I'm thinking we will not be seriously positioned to even make the playoffs in 2013, let alone win it all.
I also don't consider anybody with an OBP under 300 a major league starter.
1) Slg%, fielding and other skills are also important and can outweigh a weakness in the OBP area.
2) 143 players had enough PAs to be qualified for the batting title this year, and only 20 had an OBP of 300 or lower, including Aviles at #142 (.282). Of course, it makes sense to try and not have any players below .300 in our line-up, but having one or two does not mean that the player in question has an overall negative impact on the team.
3) Out of the 270 top PA players in MLB this year (30 teams x 9 starters=270 players) -had 300+ PAs- 50 had an OBP below .300. That's an average of about 2 starters per team. Our two were Salty and Aviles, and it looks like Salty and Iggy may be our 2 for 2013. I'm not happy about having 2 guys under .300, but I think overall Salty is and will be a plus as compared to the average MLB catcher.
4) While OPS is not a perfect stat, it is a better indicator than OBP alone:
Salty's .742 OPS is better than 21 MLB teams' OPS. Salty is not an offensive weakness by any stretch of the imagination. He was our 4th best OPS guy on the road-one of our biggest weaknesses on offense.
Low team OBP is our biggest weakness offensively so to say we need to improve other positions to carry guys like Salty and Iggy confuses me, they need to earn a starting job not be handed one. We should look to improve any position that contributes to the problem.
Salty has earned the starting job by his plus offense and his much improved defense. He is at an age where further improvement is expected and is "the norm". Iggy has not earned the starting job and is likely going to have Ciriaco and maybe someone else making him win the job. He laos has Bogaerts breathing down his neck.
Since I don't see us winning a ring in 2013, I don't see how Iggy being our starting SS hurts anything. We may disagree on our chances, but I do think this plays a role in my position on giving Iggy a shot to show how much defense can outweigh offense- or not.
I respectively disagree with you and the fact this team can't make the playoffs. You and I also know Iggy and Salty will never bust a 350 BA. Calling Salty an asset because he hits some HRS, but SO every three AB, while holding a 222 BA and .288 OBP for the last two years just isn't true. Having a SLG percentage that makes your OPS look decent when the same player is horrible in all other offensive categories doesn't make Salty an asset, just part of our problem.
1) I actually think OBP is almost twice as important as Slg%, but that still has a ton of value. I am not a big watcher of K% and do not think a K is that much worse than another type of out.
2) You do know that more than one third of all MLB teams had a catching OBP of under .300, right? Half were under .307 this year. Salty's low catcher OBP is jst not that far from the mean or major league average of .319. (AL is .312) Salty was .024 below the AL catcher OBP.
3) Salty's .454 SLG% blows away the league average .395. Salty was .059 ahead of the AL catcher Slg%. So, if you count OBP as 2X important as SLG, then Salty still comes out a plus. Salty also had one of the best "late & close" OP.S on the team.
(See the salty thread for more in depth numbers.)
Couple these issues with the fact we had some of the worst era's/team record in years doesn't tell me blocking a few more balls is a huge plus either. He was also part of our pitching problems don't you agree?
No. I believed that last year, but showed on another thread that Salty's CERA improved after mid April of 2013 even as our staff got worse on paper. Salty is improving on defense and with the staff.
Come on? How has Salty really been an asset other than in the clubhouse?
I never argue about clubhouse pluses or negatives.
Tek was better when he retired as our back up catcher. I do hope Salty can improve and he is an easy guy to like but I'm just being honest, he's not a difference maker in the win/loss column.
Salty is improving by leaps and bounds. I was all for trading salty last winter. I watched every game very closely this year in terms of catcher defense, pitcher handling, and other intangibles. The numbers back up my observations, so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.
Yes, there are better ctahcers than Salty, but in terms of improving this team, our catching position is not even close to our biggest weakness. I'm for addressing our biggest weaknesses first.
BTW, I have mentioned trading Salty this winter while his "stock is high" and because Salty will be a FA after 2013, assuming he is not extended. I just don't see us concentrating a lot of resources on improving the catcher position when we have Lava and Swihart in the wings, and we have so many other glaring weaknesses.