A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II

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    If Salty would flaten out his swing by about 50% I would give him a lot better chance. He could shorten it up a lot also. He swings like a 40 HR hitter. Unfortunately he does hit anywhere near that level.
     
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    As harness told me last season I can't have Brian McCann is it at least fathomable to obtain Weiters from the Orioles?
     
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    Wieters is gonna be a stud IMO. If Boston gets access to him, it means he isn't the player I think he is.

    Interleague play is coming up. Cubs/Sox. Great stuff!
     
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    Russell Martin seemed to be having his share of problems behind the plate for the Yankees this weekend.
     
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    He's coming down to earth: where he belongs.
     
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    He's coming down to earth: where he belongs.

    Posted by moonslav59

    LOL...yep, cause only salty has upside potential.

     
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    Posted by --The--Babe--1--


    Ask Joba about Salty's upside. LOL.
     
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    Crawford makes Martin look like Babe Ruth, if you want to talk about struggles and problems. Come on people, don't just make things up.

     
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    In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II : Ask Joba about Salty's upside. LOL.

    Posted by niz-58

    Yep, cause that one hit will surely turn around salty's career....

    give me a break.

     
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    Varitek has proven the following:

    1. He's a litttle league thrower
    2. He's worse than a little leaguer at catching and blocking the ball
    3. He's not a MLB hitter
    4. He doesn't have magic fingers
    5. He look washed up because he is washed up
    6. His girlfried says he can play another 2 or 3 years
    7. He'll have to be kicked out of MLB, and he will be

    Salty is improving, but doesn't have the ability to be more than a split time catcher. He doesn't throw well, doesn't catch and block the ball well, and doesn't hit well enough to mitigate the deficiencies.

    Because it's about the pitching, first and foremost, the Red Sox can still get by with pitiful catching. But there is no need to just ignore a problem that can be addressed and improve the team defense. They need to get a solid defensive catcher ASAP, as Theo has been guilty of malfeasance in dealing with the issue. It's one thing to whine about how old VMart would be and how he's a weak defensive catcher as well, but it's another to sign reject Salty and old man Varitek and just play guitar hero.

    Getting a solid defensive catcher is not exactly the tallest order during the season. The Red Sox are overloaded with lefty slap hitters and a SS who isn't a SS but would be very attractive as a 2B'man.

    Very hard for Theo to admit he's screwed up for many years on moving Varitek to a rest home and replacing him with a capable catching "corpse".
     
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    I like #5 the best - facts with humor.
     
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    Varitek is like a wet blanket a baby won't let go of. It smells, it's shredded and it has to be taken away while Theo is asleep. DL Wakefield and let Varitek be the 3rd catcher and take Wakefield's squatting spot, full pun intended.
     
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    The team wins with Varitek behind the plate.  18-9 in his starts last year, 10-6 this year.  28-15, that's a 65% winning percentage.  Little wonder Theo is under the impression he's still contributing. 
     
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    Varitek is like a wet blanket a baby won't let go of. It smells, it's shredded and it has to be taken away while Theo is asleep. DL Wakefield and let Varitek be the 3rd catcher and take Wakefield's squatting spot, full pun intended.
    Posted by majorleague


    ban this trollYell
     
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    18-9 in his starts last year, 10-6 this year

    And that's not a large enough sample size for 162 game baseball seasons. The wet baby blanket and his magic fingers needs to go or take Wakefield's sqaut spot.
     
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    This next comment is for Harness, in his 60 day detox involuntary commitment:

    Boom, it's a not a matter of VMART over Salty. It's a matter of AGONE/CRAWFORD over Beltre/VMART. The idea is to replace production with production

    False! AGon was essential, but Crawford was not. It was AGon or Beltre, end of story. VMart could and should have been signed to catch, with a competent solid defensive backup catcher. VMart could have played the 5 or 10 games off that AGon will have to take but doesn't want to take off, plus another 25 to 30 reps at DH. That would be year one of a 4 year contract. Year 2 would be the same if Ortiz still has gas in the tank.

    The contract on VMart was a perfect fit with Ortiz aging out. VMart would be 32 in year one, and 33 in year two, hardly too old unless you think that Varitek wasn't too old when he was catching full-time in his late 30's. Ortiz would have been 2 years, max, at which time the Red Sox would have had an excellent hitting starting DH in year 3 and 4 who also would be the backup catcher and first baseman.

    Crawford's contract was a joke, is a joke, and will always be a joke. Bellsbury was already in place for the next 3 years, with other lefty slap hitters deep on the farm.

    Signing VMart would have allowed a smoothly timed trasition to the new full-time young catcher and for Ortiz to retire either this year or the end of next year when VMart would DH and catch part time to more than earn his 13 to 14M in the last 2 years of the deal.

    Theo made the silly mistake of falling for Crawford, I gave him the essential this winter move on AGon and how the Padres would sell for certain. Theo then went to Walmart for Salty, to cover for his lazy spending spree on Crawford. Getting Salty was fine, but going with Salty and Varitek was GM malfeasance and the very reason why the team started so pitifully. There is an adjustment period for pitcher pitching to any new catcher (Salty), as well as the fact that Salty does not currently have the offensive, throwing and blocking skills to handle an everday catcher role. Varitek is just an old washed up profile who, even though he can still provide marginal very part-time backup catching, there was no need to settle for that with the weakness at the position. 

    Salty should have started at AAA, VMart should have been signed, and a solid MLB ready defensive but weak hitting catcher should have been acquired. Varitek should have been told to retire, or be given the squatter's roster spot that Wakefield has, allowing for late inning pinch hitting moves via carrying a 3rd catcher. 

    The VMart contract fit perfectly, and had nothing to do with trading for AGon. Theo gets these silly ideas in his head and has too much money to play with without adult supervision. 

    Had Cameron moved in for Crawford, Mac and Kalish and Reddick been the outfield depth, VMart signed to the 4 year deal, Salty in AAA, a solid defensive catcher weak hitter been acquired, the Red Sox are likely a 104 wins or more team. 

    Crawford instead of VMart was the mistake, and a big time value and 2011 fit mistake. The fact that the current team is championship material doesn't change the fact that this move was stupidity, short and long term.    

    Theo has been an abject failure in not handling fan PR and moving on old washed up veterans. The squatters roster spots for these old veterans is GM malfeasance.
     
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    majorleague>>>>

    How does he come up with these clever & witty names???????????????????

    "BELLSBURY"

    Now!  A guy doesn't come up with that kind of priceless material without a good SOLID 3RD GRADE EDUCATION!!!

     
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    majorleague />>>> How does he come up with these clever & witty names??????????????????? "BELLSBURY" Now!  A guy doesn't come up with that kind of priceless material without a good SOLID 3RD GRADE EDUCATION!!!
    Posted by redsoxdirtdog
    He didn't. Ellsbury stole a base and Taco Bell was sponsoring a promotion when everyone in America got a free taco during the 2007 WS.

    Ellsbury was temporarily nicknamed Tacoby Bellsbury. It isn't an original and is a backhanded reference to the hype and excitement that surrounded Ellsbury during that post season and led to Coco Crisp eventually becoming dispensable after the 2008 season. Those events best I can tell are the motivation for the Ellsbury obsession.
     
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    Maybe it's time to start part III.

    This one's being overrun by the clown (who vowed to stay away).
     
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    Maybe it's time to start part III. This one's being overrun by the clown (who vowed to stay away).
    Posted by moonslav59
    Do you really think change the title of the thread would change that?
     
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    This next comment is for Harness, in his 60 day detox involuntary commitment: Boom , it's a not a matter of VMART over Salty. It's a matter of AGONE/CRAWFORD over Beltre/VMART. The idea is to replace production with production False! AGon was essential, but Crawford was not. It was AGon or Beltre, end of story. VMart could and should have been signed to catch, with a competent solid defensive backup catcher. VMart could have played the 5 or 10 games off that AGon will have to take but doesn't want to take off, plus another 25 to 30 reps at DH. That would be year one of a 4 year contract. Year 2 would be the same if Ortiz still has gas in the tank. The contract on VMart was a perfect fit with Ortiz aging out. VMart would be 32 in year one, and 33 in year two, hardly too old unless you think that Varitek wasn't too old when he was catching full-time in his late 30's. Ortiz would have been 2 years, max, at which time the Red Sox would have had an excellent hitting starting DH in year 3 and 4 who also would be the backup catcher and first baseman. Crawford's contract was a joke, is a joke, and will always be a joke. Bellsbury was already in place for the next 3 years, with other lefty slap hitters deep on the farm. Signing VMart would have allowed a smoothly timed trasition to the new full-time young catcher and for Ortiz to retire either this year or the end of next year when VMart would DH and catch part time to more than earn his 13 to 14M in the last 2 years of the deal. Theo made the silly mistake of falling for Crawford, I gave him the essential this winter move on AGon and how the Padres would sell for certain. Theo then went to Walmart for Salty, to cover for his lazy spending spree on Crawford. Getting Salty was fine, but going with Salty and Varitek was GM malfeasance and the very reason why the team started so pitifully. There is an adjustment period for pitcher pitching to any new catcher (Salty), as well as the fact that Salty does not currently have the offensive, throwing and blocking skills to handle an everday catcher role. Varitek is just an old washed up profile who, even though he can still provide marginal very part-time backup catching, there was no need to settle for that with the weakness at the position.  Salty should have started at AAA, VMart should have been signed, and a solid MLB ready defensive but weak hitting catcher should have been acquired. Varitek should have been told to retire, or be given the squatter's roster spot that Wakefield has, allowing for late inning pinch hitting moves via carrying a 3rd catcher.  The VMart contract fit perfectly, and had nothing to do with trading for AGon. Theo gets these silly ideas in his head and has too much money to play with without adult supervision.  Had Cameron moved in for Crawford, Mac and Kalish and Reddick been the outfield depth, VMart signed to the 4 year deal, Salty in AAA, a solid defensive catcher weak hitter been acquired, the Red Sox are likely a 104 wins or more team.  Crawford instead of VMart was the mistake, and a big time value and 2011 fit mistake. The fact that the current team is championship material doesn't change the fact that this move was stupidity, short and long term.     Theo has been an abject failure in not handling fan PR and moving on old washed up veterans. The squatters roster spots for these old veterans is GM malfeasance.
    Posted by majorleague


    WOULDA, COULDA, SHOULDA ........... a true blue Red Sox fan would close his repetitive, gaping and foolish trap and get behind the team as fielded. As long as the absurd postings continue by the Carnival Monkey, any hope of maintaining any semblance of an intellectually stimulating conversation with respect to our beloved team will be impossible, regardless of how many new threads are started or how many times the writer is banished.

    Until the individual can present sound and reasonable evidence to support any of his positions of absurdity I will continue to take the comments for what they are .........immature and unsubstantiated ranting and raving nonsense.
     
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    Mobile Site You Are Here > www.baseball-reference.com/">Home > Encyclopedia of Players > E Listing > Jacoby Ellsbury Statistics and History

    Jacoby Ellsbury

    Jacoby McCabe Ellsbury (Tacoby Bellsbury)

    Position: Outfielder
    Bats: Left, Throws: Left
    Height: 6' 1", Weight: 185 lb.

    Born: September 11, 1983 in Madras, OR (Age 27)
    High School: Madras (Madras, OR)
    School: Oregon State University
    Drafted
    by the Boston Red Sox in the 1st round (23rd pick) of the 2005 amateur draft.
    Signed July 1, 2005. (All Transactions)
    Debut: June 30, 2007
    Team: RedSox 2007-2011
    2012 Contract Status: Signed thru 2011, 1 yr/$2.4M (11) (details) [*]
    Service Time (01/2010): 2.037, Arb Eligible: 2012, Free Agent: 2014 [*], Agents: Scott Boras [*]
        About biographical information




    Katz, for the record, you are correct on baseball reference as the source for the nice nickname that is a forehand, not a backhand. You are incorrect on the basis for my criticism of Bellsbury. It was entirely based upon his poor defense, at a position where the best defensive OF'er should be.

    Last year's MLBPA stunt was further basis for criticism of the fan favorite, Bellsbury.

    Also, as good as Crisp was as defensive CF'er, I stated that he needed to be traded for value reasons, when he completed a full season, which he did, in 2008. You may recall that he handled it well and was ready and did a good job taking Bellsbury's place in the 2008 playoffs because Bellsbury lost all of his confidence during those playoffs. Bellsbury should have been the 4th OF'er in 2008, Crisp traded as he was that winter, but Crisp wasn't very high on the biastown popularity meter which management pays close attention to. Lowell in the active squat spot roster slot was an example of unprofessional roster spot and playing time allocation decisions from management.

    Again, the protestations of the author of this thread are comical. Someone who claims that 5 gold gloves mean "nothing" and Jeter "never, ever was a good defensive SS" is the very defintion of unrealistic.

    I nominate Hill and expitch to competently handle the moderating serious discussions thread, where I will inject comments and criticisms that frequently run counter to popularly held conception and personalities. This thread is nothing more than a circle jerk of hazers lead by Slav and Harness. Katz, Amp and few other posters are very worthy contibutors, but the moderation on here would make a propagandist proud.

     
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    In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II : WOULDA, COULDA, SHOULDA ........... a true blue Red Sox fan would close his repetitive, gaping and foolish trap and get behind the team as fielded. As long as the absurd postings continue by the Carnival Monkey, any hope of maintaining any semblance of an intellectually stimulating conversation with respect to our beloved team will be impossible, regardless of how many new threads are started or how many times the writer is banished. Until the individual can present sound and reasonable evidence to support any of his positions of absurdity I will continue to take the comments for what they are .........immature and unsubstantiated ranting and raving nonsense.
    Posted by playball01


    Ahhhh Playball01,

    There in lies the rub!  If his "positions" are inherently biased & flawed, how would it be possible to support them with "sound or reasonable evidence?"

    I suppose we should be careful what we wish for!!!  If this dumb ape were to be "banned," who would we have to mock???

    You have to admire someone who can march on, completely undeterred, in the face of overwhelming empirical data PROVING HIM DEFINITIVELY WRONG DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY!!!!!!!

    It's kind of fun to see Els. & Lowrie literally drive this guy mad!!!!!  :)

    Perhaps he should change his avatar to that Energizer monkey / ape banging the symbols??????
     
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    If in fact this thread is just a circle jerk, why not let it be, there are more than enough other places besides this thread for you to engage in your opinion posting.

    It is not your opinions BTW but rather the take no prisioners style IMO that leads others to freak out. Harness is no less single minded in focus about all things Varitek or Wakefield but some how he manages to not have to change screen names every 30 days or less. It isn't the opinions as much as it is that sooner or later they becomes mean spirited IMO.

    As for your Ellsbury explanation, I had conclude the events were as you describe from watching how your opinions on other subjects have hardened in the time I have posted here. I expresed those in shorthand.

    I am sure this started with your arguing that Crisp should not be traded in 2008 and guess what? I did the same on another board. And having Crisp and Ellsbury on the roster in 2008 served the RS well. I am sure that the Lowrie fixation started as an argument that Lugo should not have been traded after the 2008 season concluded. And while aging and injury in Lugo's case made the foundation of such an argument mute, it was again IMO the right argument.

    But it seems to me from following your posts that once you take a position the other side of the argument becomes a no holds barred subject of verbal ridicule. (more casually now BTW because your act is getting old for me, not that you care). Once you argued Crisp should not be traded the flip side was of course that Ellsbury was no good and should be traded.

    Once you take a position you find things as small as player having a day off for the flu as chance to ridicule the player because at some point you no longer argue the merits of the original argument but engage in an all out campaign of ridicule, no matter how minor the point. Now you may not agree with any of this takes but this is how you are perceived by me and frankly I think my perception is more generous than the perception of many other community members.

    When I first started posting here and disagreed with you on a topic I was told not to trifle with you. After having been in this community for awhile now I have come to conclusion not to deal with you except on rare occasions because a very intelligent person is hidden by equal parts of bullying and raw anger. So I leave you to hold court with the unsuspecting, with those with more energy for the nonsense than I have and to the few that find you either a beacon of light or a truly entertaining caricature.

    Just my takes...



     
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    I am sure that the Lowrie fixation started as an argument that Lugo should not have been traded after the 2008 season concluded.

    Your memory fails you, even though I don't submit you have any ill motive.

    As for the rest of your comment, it's a little patronizing and paternal, and just a little too dramatic for a forum of people who come to communicate about a kids game.

    I will say that you make an effort to see both sides of an issue, and I commend you for having more patience with emotional saps than I have. One must find humor in the human condition, something we all share;)
     
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