A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II

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    The O's are not for real. They have improved and will win more games than the old doormat teams, but they are not for real. They are not contenders, they are an improved team that is a 2011 pretender.

    Takes a pretender to know a pretender, but I agree. The O's will sink like a "led balloon".
    Nice of you to create an alter ego so you can sneak on this thread and "keep your word".

    Sidenote: alter egos should be different from their egos: yours are identical.


    There has always been only one place to put Crawford. Despite his continued early struggles, the lineup was set properly with Pedroia in the 2, Agon in the 3 and Youk and Ortiz behind. Ellsbury's only proper place is at the bottom to turn the lineup over better. Cameron in CF, hitting 8th, is the best overall lineup, but that isn't going to happen. Ellsbury at 8 and Scutaro at 9 is reversed from what it should be, but it's close enough as the rest of the lineup is finally what I Knew management would learn the hard way.

    Scutty 8 and Ells 9th is a nobrainer as wll. I'm wondering about Tito's brain these days.

    I like how you used a one game sample size on another thead to show how batting Crawford 1st worked, even though he went 0h for 5. Only you can move the goalpost that far and actually believe your own spew.

    Ellsbury should have been told he will hit 9th, back in the spring, and Crawford should have been told he will leadoff and needs to worry about nothing else but getting on base. The #3 move was a disaster, as he's trying to drive the ball instead of slapping it the other way and getting on base. If he's told to relax and just focus on getting on base from the leadoff spot, he will be the most efficient he can be. I suspect they still haven't written off the notion of moving him back to 3, which is nothing short of incompetent with the other players on this team. With Pedroia, the team only needs one base stealer and the top of the lineup to get on base, and Pedroia being able to hit balls out of the zone and execute the run and hit is the proper lineup. Ellsbury getting on base from the bottom makes the lineup turn over better, but Cameron should be used more in CF because he is a much better defender and the games almost always end up in the pen if a righty starts. Ellsbury could then be plugged in from the bench as pinch runner or hitter, for either Drew or Cameron. Crawford should be the only 140 to 150 game guy. Ellsbury, Cameron and Drew should divide the other 2 spots time, as Cameron's RH bat is needed more often to balance out the lineup. The mistake being made is thinking that Ellsbury and Crawford was some kind of an advantage in competition. It isn't. They do not compliment this lineup in the AL East. I don't see Ellsbury every sitting for Cameron, but at least putting Ellsbury at the bottom of the lineup is a drastic improvement in use of the roster.

    Wow! Something new fron softy... not!

    The Red Sox should near the summer trade deadline shop Ellsbury and Lackey to the NL to get out from under Lackey's contract and net back a really good young RH OF part that fits the long term future.

    I love this one: you have bashed Lackey for over a year and now think at his high cost, someone will givbe us a good young OF'er for him. It also make a ton of sense to trade a low cost young OF'er, so we can trade a starting pitcher to replace Ells with... a low cost younf OF'er... not!

    If Lackey strings out a few decent starts, that's the perfect time to shop him and try and get rid of him.  Assuming Lester, Buchholz, Beckett, DiceK, Aceves and Doubrant are all in good health, going to the last couple of months should be fine. Atchison and other farm hands are fine as emergency spot starters over the last month or two. 

    Tell us why Douby, Aceves, and Atchison deserve such strong confidence...

    Lackey is counting his money and is a bust.

    I thought with Lugo, you said that money should not be counted when determining if he defines the word "bust". Moving the goalposts is your specialty.

    The data was there to show the huge value mistake in his contract. But 3 solid starting pitchers are all that is needed, so either Beckett and/or Dicek will need to step up and take care of that problem. Aceves could have helped in the close game losses. Now that he is up for a DL guy, the Red Sox still need to bring up another lefty to make a good pen even deeper. Wakefield needs to be DL'd or DFA.

    Wow...another new idea.
    We have no lefties anywhere in the system other than Oki who have better histories vs LHBs than guys like Bard, Paps and Jenks. Who is this lefty you want called up?


    Big hit for Drew, and an aging out but still capable Ortiz continues to be a Yankee killer. Pen was almost perfect, thanks to Aceves and no Wakefield.

    AGon is about as poised a first base defender as one will see, and he's always been a gifted overall hitter. That's why he is a true superstar, unlike Crawford. It's past the CBT capture date for being able to sign AGon to an extension, so it's surprising that no extension has been agreed to as was reported.

    Is this your lame attempt to seperate yourself rom th softy persona? Oh, tha's right, softy already began to backtrack on his AGon/contract psoition anyways, so you're cool.

    The Red Sox were hedging on the shoulder injury, so it stands to reason that they should have to pay a premium for waiting to see that AGon's health is fine and he's still performing as the young superstar that he is. Given the total payroll for 2011 and what comes off in 2012, the Red Sox will pay just about whatever premium AGon's agent demands.  Whatever they were trying to save on the CBT should go into AGon's pockets, in addition to a premium for ownership hedging. Given the absurd 6M that Agon gets from his Padres assigned contract, the extension premium will still make AGon a fair value as the new superstar face of the Red Sox.

    The division will come down to the Red Sox and the Yankees, unless a core starter has a long term DL. It will come down to which team gets better starting pitching, with the Yankees likely making a summer move. Epstein is handcuffed on any quality pitching acquisition mid-season moves, and will simply have to hope that Beckett, DiceK, and perhaps Doubrant and Aceves collectively get it done for the rotation year end production. The Rays offense and pen got worse, and the starting pitching did nothing more than go sideways. They will not be a 2011 contender. The O's and Jays are improved, but the first month of the season is a completely false picture of the standings at the end of the marathon.

    With 155 games to go, I'd say the Red Sox are still in the AL East race. The right adjustment was made to the lineup, with Pedroia, AGon, Youk in proper place. A few more adjustments should be made, but the GM is slow to make even the obvious adjustments that shouldn't even be needed in the first place. The lineup was just one of them.

    We're just 3 games behind the Yanks with 155 to play. If we gain one game every 39 games, we're ahead.
     
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    Sense this is the 'Realistic Look @ 2011' thread.

    I'm not trying to make excuses for this team, but there are some hard facts that any reasonable fan cannot ignore.

    1) Recent Injuries
    2) Recent Surgery
    3) Extended missed playing time from the previous year
    4) New additions/Chemistry
    5) New personel

    You can fill out your roster on your fantasy baseball team and everything seems A-OK.  However, this is a real team, with real, living, breathing people on it.  As fans, we want instant team chemistry, when some of these players obviously are having a hard time finding chemistry with themselves (see 1-3, + 5 ).  This team is a work in progress. My guess is that they, if they're lucky, hover around .500 baseball for atleast the first half of the season, and hopefuly don't get too far behind. They could surprise me. But as for now, I'm not expecting too much. Not this year, anyway. Too many factors in putting together a winning team.  I'm by no means writing them off.  But they have some serious individual hurdles that won't show up in the box score, are invisible to ESPN, and Boston.com will probably miss.

    I'm still gonna watch though!
     
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    Yes, harness; I remember your take on Ferrell and Tito. I thought the ideawas a good one.

    I still think Tito is much much better than nearly anyone else we have had since Dick Williams, but I have hesitated to be overly critical of him, because I think he is a good traditional manager and that is what Theo seems to want. I say thi because, unless Theo wants someone who breaks the paradigms I have spoken about, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't, then I don't see a need to replace Tito. The replacement might be worse.
     
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    I think it's possible that the AL East will be so competitive that no team may make 95 wins. I just don't see any magic number for wins needed to make the playoffs.
     
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    Until it doesn't take 95 wins to make a post season out of the AL East is safe to assume it will IMHO. Both the RS and NYY are capable of winning a lot of games where their pitching is pedestrian at best. Both have good backend in their bullpens. The O's look poised to assume the role of the Rays.

    In the AL Central they have at least two teams capable with the unbalanced schedules to post over 90 wins.

    And as far as the RS pitching goes, it is always dangerous to draw too many conclusions from April either way. Ditto for the NYY, Hughes is a lot better than he showed today by example.

    I agree with you Boom in as much as the line-up isn't why the RS lost their first six. With their team ERA they'd have to have averaged 9 runs a game to have won the first six.

    And I do not fault Francona for where he is placing Ortiz against LH (most LH) since dumping him way down in the order serves less purpose when the game is inevitably turned over to the bullpen.

    It isn't as though Francona isn't look at the numbers at all when he asks Drew to sit out opening day because a filthy LH is going.

    I personally was pleased to hear Francona say that getting A-Gon in the 3 slot was important and loved they way he phrased it as getting him to the plate in the first inning.

    Looking at it this way, would I think that the RS were in the race in mid-August if they trailed the O's by 4.5 and the NYY by 4? I would, so clearly the tiny sample set of total failure until today, combined with expectations that are very high do tend to taint the picture.

    All is just a bit better with the world after a RS win and evn more so when that win was at the expense of the EE.

    just my takes
     
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    I'm gonna save that statement about the O's...just in case your posts mysteriously disappear...

    Save mine too.

    Wink

    Oh wait...nevermind...I'll still be here.
     
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    Grady Little was a traditional manager -- going by his gut and not looking at the stats reports that he was given. Remember, that's why he was fired.

    Too much "gut" to be a true tradionalist. That's why I said Tito was better than anyone since Dick Williams.

    Francona is far more advanced than that, which is why he was hired. What he doesn't do, however, is manage strictly by the numbers, which is a good thing. Remember, the players aren't robots. They're human beings, and you have to take in the human element when you manage, which Francona does.

    I agree, but it's a trade off. Keeping a .500 OPS batter hitting 5th i not good for the "human element" of the other players on the team. Putting Crawford up 3rd and demoting Youk or AGon or Papi (vs RHPs) down a slot is not using the "human element" correctly. Benching Cam, Lowrie and Vtek vs LHPs is not good for their moral when they know they could and should be playing not riding the bench.

    And humans can change from year to year. Take Ortiz. Sure his effectiveness against LHP has gone down the past two years, but he had been very good against lefties. And he talked last year about working on his approach. You can't just assume that what someone that everything is going stay static. So far this year, he's been better against lefties -- yes, small sample that you can't read too much into. But maybe he is going to bounce back against lefties.

    Yes, he can, but isn't a big gamble to hope ate age 35-36 he will? He's about .200-.300 points behind the guys on the bench vs LHPs. I'd bet on some other Red Sox players to do better. I'd try to get the whole team thinking the manager has faith in everyone on the team and plays players who deserve to play, when they best can succeed.

    Yes, it is a small sample, but even in the small sample size, my point is being missed. My position is not to take Papi out vs all LHPs and bench him vs all LH's starters. If there is nobody clearly better than Papi, then he shoudl start. However, it would be a rare time when he deserves to bat 5th vs all but about 5 LHPs. Let's look closer at the games this year vs LHPs:

    While he is 3 for 9 with an HR vs lefties this season, the HR came vs a RP, not vs a starter I would have sat him against. He was 0 for 3 vs Wilson, but I'm not sure anyone else had a better career vs him up to that point, so him starting that game was not a big deal. Him batting 5th was not a good idea in my opinion, but it is only one game. The game with Matt Harrison, he went 2 for 3. He had only 5 PAs against him before that game.

    It's good to see Papi start off well this year both overall and vs LHPs, but I still think others could do much better vs most LH'd starters this year.

    I hope he proves me wrong, and he will get a lot of opportunities to pove it (thanks to Tito's "loyalty").
    Young players get better, so that has to be taken into consideration too. So sometimes the human element needs to take precedence over the stats.

    Yes, Lowrie is young and could get even better vs LHPs.
    career: .919 OPS
    2010:    1.025 OPS


    Now if a player never has been good in certain situation and is a veteran, then it does reach a point where stats element should take priority. It's a balancing act.

    You mean like VTek vs LHPs? Being about .200 points higher than Salty vs LHPs, but being benched? Vtek has been over .800 vs LHPs for the last 3 years. Add to this his obvious CERA-related advantage over Salty and that was clearly a no-brainer in my mind.

    Critics call it coddling the players, but in any profession, you need to have confidence in what you're doing. Players can't be looking over their shoulder expecting to be yanked the first time they fail. That Francona sticks with players in slumps has paid dividends in the end. And by treating a player who had been an every day play as a platoon player could do more harm than good in the player's psyche.

    I meantioned this earlier. They don't have to look over their shoulders. Tito could have called Papi into his office and said: Look at the numbers. When we face these certain LH'd starters you will play and bat 5th or 6th. When we face these others, you may be used as a PH'er or bat 7th.  Telling Salty he will play only vs RHPs would not have been an issue. Using Cam over Drew already seems to be happening.

    What makes Francona an excellent manager IMO is that he balances the human element with new-school statistical analysis. You simply can't manager by looking at computer printouts of stats.

    I have never advocated this, or else I'd have had Cam batting 3rd vs LHPs and Lowrie leading off or at the #2 slot. Again, the "human element" issue is not as clear cut as you may think it is. Papi was moved down oncebefore in his career and it ignited one of his best 3-4 month stretches in his career, and "human element" extends to all players.

    I think the analysis you do is interesting and useful. I'm a stats junkie myself. It's what I love about baseball. But you can't focus simply on the numbers and ignore other aspects.

    I don't focus on just numbers. I use them to support my position. The lefty-right split has been someting many great managers have used to their team's advantage for years. It's not a fluke. Tito obviously respects it in some ways by his obsession with theL-R-L line-up thing, but to me, it is just plain wrong to expect Crawford to excell vs LHPs in a top slot. To expect Papi to reverse his output vs LHPs. Give him a chance to prove it from the 7 slot, then move him up, if he shows it. In the mean time, let Cam, Jed and VTek the feeling they matter. Kep them fresh and ready. Make it a team.
     
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    Who gave the Knute Rockne speech that fired up the team: Tito or Theo?

    My guess?

    Pedey.
     
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    Who would have thought you could do a rock and roll version of que sera sera?
     
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    Not only do we have to see how badly the Sox are doing, with Sabathia pitching tomorrow. We have to hear about how GREAT the Orioles are. Enough already Harness! 
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    That's just the point, Boom. Most here say the O's will not contend this year. I say they will be major contenders. I equate this to playing a 35-1 horse. In Harness racing, that means collecting 7-8 grand in two minutes. It's rare as hell to find a horse like this.

    Back in late March, I projected them to:
    WIN 90(+) GAMES  and/or
    FINISH 2ND     and/or
    BEAT OUT NY.

    I offered a wager (on another thread) to anyone who wishes to take me up on this, allowing me 35-1 odds. The offer still holds.

    You'll have to indulge me, Boom. I have a pension for longshots.
    I came up short on my 100 win projection in 2009.
    I came up short in my 2010 projection that the Sox would have their best road record of the last decade.

    If the O's go 84-80 over the remainder of the season, I hit my greatest baseball longshot. And even better, I can rub it in to Softy that he was WRONG!
     
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     I just caught up on about a dozen pages of comments; you guys are very prolific in your comments when things are going badly! I'm certainly not happy with the start, but I've always been a "glass half-full" kind of guy and I feel it's way too early to panic. In fact, I think Tito's lineup shuffling could be interpreted as panic and is an early over-reaction to the bad start. The bad start is primarily at the feet of the starting pitching which is putting the team behind early and forcing the hitters to play catch-up. The result is a lineup that is pressing to do too much with each at bat. They are too good top to bottom to not right the ship, and I'm sure we'll be looking at a 6 and 9 or 7 and 10 team before much longer.  Amp to answer your questions about Salty I will tell you that I think he is blameless as far as the pitching is concerned. The pitchers are simply not hitting spots and when they are the pitches have very little life and are very hittable. I think he sets a great target when no one is on base, especially for a guy who stands 6'4" or more. The issue about his moving target is maybe something I'm missing. When the sign is given the location is established and setting the target too early can tip off a hitter, especially with runners on to relay the location to the hitter. If a pitcher is relying on glove location for their target, instead of body location on the catcher's body, then that goes against any pitching/catching philosophy that I have ever played with.  With runners on, he gets into a "throwing" position and actually gets rid of the ball quite well for such a tall guy. He has had a few throws sail on him, which is a sign of his pressing just a little, just as his at bats indicate that he is pressing. He receives and frames balls very well, handles pitches in the dirt very athletically and seems to have a solid rapport with the pitchers. I really like his swing as well and feel he will hit. Boom is a little too harsh in his criticism citing 600 at bats as a good enough sample size. But when those at bats are stretched out over four seasons it is not a significant sample size.   I also know that Crawford is overpaid (who isn't in MLB??) and to date is underperforming. But he too is putting too much pressure on himself and he will be fine. I think he may possibly sit tonight against CC to get his head together and I also think he would benefit from NOT moving around the batting order. Unfortunately, with all of our rehabbing players Tito could not effectively use Spring Training to establish the best batting order and I'm not sure I've got a surefire winner either. But I do believe that moving hitters around this early only adds to the pressure they are already putting on themselves.   We need Becket to throw a beauty tonight and get the bats working against CC, a tall order in and of itself. But I refer back to my first paragraph about soon seeing a 6 and 9 or a 7 and 10 team before much longer.
    Posted by jidgef

    I just want to make sure everyone knows that I'm rooting big time for both Salty and Crawford. I think Crawford will do very well for us. My thinking is that he just wasn't an ideal fit. Our small LF area doesn't utilize his speed that well and he isn't a power hitter who could make much use for the wall. I look at our LF as one of the easiest OF slots in baseball to play in terms of speed and coordination. It's perfect for slotting a Manny type BIG Hit / bad field OF. Ellsbury isn't a ideal fit and Crawford isn't either. When you throw in the $140 mil factor I didn't see signing him. When Gammons first projected I thought he was completely off target.

    The only way I can really explain it is in wanting to win now and he was the guy available. Plus wanting to bump NESN ratings.

    I hope Salty makes it but we should be realistic in our expectations. No one is projecting him to hit higher than .251 this year with a .320 OBP. Maybe 12 HR. If he tops that it will be a pleasant surprise. We went cheap at the catcher slot. He is maybe an average defender. That is good value if we can get those overall numbers.

     
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    Thanks for the research harness. Looks like h's about like Napoli and VMart.
    Posted by moonslav59


    Your welcome, Moon.
    I don't know if I'd put him in that category - at least not until there's more compelling evidence. Let's see how the NY starters will fare with him.
    Should be interesting.

    Well Boom, the O's took a thrashing in game 2.
    Never let it be said I only tell half a truth:)
     
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    ...and Softy who is clearly baseballGM behind ( again for the most part ). I choose to believe tom-uk over GM. tom says he caught softy red-handed. GM slipped by answering as softy, then quickly deleted his post. More evidence... we all know softy holds some pretty bizarre positions. What are the odds that GM has exactly the same positions and the same style and vitriol. The same enthusiastic level of bashing of precisely the same players softy despises. It's obvious softy's trying to save face by pretending he is not breaking his promise not to come on this thread. To me, he has proven his dishonesty countless times, so these actions do not surprise me. He's becoming such a pretender, I wonder if even he knows who he is anymore.
    Posted by moonslav59








    But, any of us could be baseballGM, or Tom, or Burrito or really anyone. Completely matching a writing style is difficult and I would think not all that much fun but some people chose to 
    spend their life doing it.














     
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    I wish I was softlaw, because the obscession with him makes him akin to a baseball cult hero. Scutaro got the big hit, which was the key offensive moment in the game. Lowrie fits better in the UIF. He's really a 2nd baseman, as he doesn't the quickness or long graceful strides to be an everyday career SS. Delighted the team has AGon instead of Tex.    
    Posted by BaseballGM


    A.L. SS top 5 in BA, OBP, and OPS 
    .417.500.417.917

    Teix is off to another slow start except the homers, I still lean towards thinking he is in decline, not just an off year.  He has time to prove me wrong.

    BB GM you don't know Softie!  Being a newbie here I will fill you in.  Softie is the kinda guy who...

    -wears jean shorts
    -thinks repeating things makes them true
    -talks louder at the bank if he is taking out a big sum
    -wishes he was the love child of Goldwater and Thatcher
    -never used the surf board he only bought b/c of the Beach Boys
    -thinks calling him Bobby Zimmerman is clever
    -writes 4 paragraphs when 1 will do
    -posts under 2 names

    and worst of all he likes Oprah.

     
     
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    In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II: But that was some HR by Boone. Thanks, Wake.
    Moon : You must feel like ur teaching Howdy " GM " Doody. Taking him to the toolshed is more like it. Wake & Lester may be Boston's two best bets when facing NY. They are the only ones can can negate those LH bats. As much as softy GM hates to admit it, it appears Wake is earning a chance to go beyond "mop up". Wake vs the Yanks: '11  2 IP          0 ER  0 H    0 BB (.000 OPS) '10  14.1 IP    6 ER  11H   3 BB (.615 OPS) '09  6 IP          3 ER   6 H   3 BB (.953 OPS) '08  21.2 IP  12 ER  22H  6 BB  (.774 OPS) When you consider the Sox staff as a whole has these numbers vs the Yanks: '11   18 IP  14 ER  21 H 8 BB (without Wake: 16 IP/14ER  21H/8BB) '10   5.30 ERA  .797 OPS '09   5.28 ERA  .876 OPS '08   5.09 ERA  .760 OPS Wake vs Yanks 2010-2011: 16.1 IP  6 ER  11H  3 BB  (3.31 ERA  0.857 WHIP) Wake vs Yanks 2009-2011: 22.1 IP  9 ER  17H   6 BB (3.63 ERA  1.030 WHIP) Wake vs Yanks 2008-2011: 45 IP  21 ER  29 H   12 BB (4.20 ERA  0.911 WHIP) All some people want to remember is Boone's HR.
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    Yeah. I'm in it, Boom . You probably missed my posts. But it's got too many software issues for me right now. Let 'em work the bugs out. Josh owned the Big Apple tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Posted by harness


    Agreed; classic pitching; games like this I don't mind losing, 'cause my team had no business winning it. Also, it could have easily been 10-0. Here's guessing Varitek catches more games than planned.
     
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    Tito/Theo won't pigeon-hole Beckett. Not for long. He/they didn't learn their '09 lesson. And the same mentality that went with VMART as a full-time receiver in 2010 has put Salty in the same position for 2011.
    Posted by harness


     I said this months ago; SALTY may be gone/benched by the summer; both ways, he may not be a starting Big League receiver. One thing you can say about Kevin Cash; at least he was a "catch and throw" (OK, maybe just catch) guy.
     
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    Harness, I have to admit that although I'm a Salty supporter, I'm starting to waver.  I do hope that he blossoms into someone decent, but I'm really starting to sense the uncomfortableness the pitchers have when he's behind the plate. And, I just don't mean pitch calling..hell, Beckett called off Tek quite a few times the other night.  Defensively, he's OK.  It's something else.  Was DiceK terrible tonight because he just didn't have it?  Or, was it because of some intangible negative psychological effect potentiated when he catches? I hope I'm wrong here...we'll eventually see. 
    Posted by ampoule

    Salty didn't cost us much. It was probably a good trade. I just didn't want to have to rely on him all year. We will hope for the best.

     
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    Funny.
     
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    In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II : Salty didn't cost us much. It was probably a good trade. I just didn't want to have to rely on him all year. We will hope for the best.
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    His "cost" might be greater than you could imagine.



    Moon: I doubt Tek could handle that many starts. Not w/o going down or playing with broken bones...yet again.
    45% is pushing it.
     
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    In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II : A.L. SS top 5 in BA, OBP, and OPS  .417 .500 .417 .917 Teix is off to another slow start except the homers, I still lean towards thinking he is in decline, not just an off year.  He has time to prove me wrong. BB GM you don't know Softie!  Being a newbie here I will fill you in.  Softie is the kinda guy who... -wears jean shorts -thinks repeating things makes them true -talks louder at the bank if he is taking out a big sum -wishes he was the love child of Goldwater and Thatcher -never used the surf board he only bought b/c of the Beach Boys -thinks calling him Bobby Zimmerman is clever -writes 4 paragraphs when one will do -posts under 2 names and worst of all he likes Oprah.  
    Posted by tom-uk

    I'm not sure about the Oprah part but the rest is probably accurate!

     
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    Tito/Theo won't pigeon-hole Beckett. Not for long. He/they didn't learn their '09 lesson. And the same mentality that went with VMART as a full-time receiver in 2010 has put Salty in the same position for 2011.
    Posted by harness


    Que CERA CERA.



     
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    Here's a better version
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bxPSlELxtQ
     
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    Moon : I doubt Tek could handle that many starts. Not w/o going down or playing with broken bones...yet again. 45% is pushing it. Sounds about right, but you know, he hasn't caught much the last 2 years and is in great shape. I'm thinking he could probably do 60%. 2 game-1 off-1game-1off... (plus regular team days off) probably makes it about 55% of all days, he could catch. In blowouts, they could bring in Salty mid games.
    Posted by moonslav59


    I'm surprised they didn't rest the regulars, especially those that were hurt last year, by the time it was 12-2 yesterday.
     
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    I can't blame Saltalamachia for Dice-k's outing last night.  Dice-k earned that loss all by himself.  Throwing 78mph, no movement, lollipop, garbage you wouldn't see in a batting cage.  One more outing like that and the answer to him is the DL for some mysterious "injury".  Maybe his head really isn't in the game? Japan's earthquake-tsunami-nuclear meltdown-repeated aftershock-more nuclear meltdown situation is astronomically devastating.  If that happened in the U.S., baseball would be the last thing on my mind.  Well, it definitely wouldn't be first.  This team is taking some hard knocks, maybe it's needed?  I want to see what this team is made of after getting their collective buts kicked again and again.  I'll look at it as "Character building".  Hope Lester watches the tapes from Sunday and Monday. Make it a training video: Sunday video: Correct. Monday video: Incorrect. Yeah, Salti can watch too for the hell of it.
    Posted by emp9


    That's a great point. He looked prime for the season until that Quake.
    I'm sure he's got friends/family in dire need.
    Maybe a leave of absence is necessitated.

    Nobody here is blaming Salty for the Dice melt-down.
    The Salty experiment is testing RedSox Nation. Boston is not in a position to be very patient. And Salty's progression may be painstakingly slow. Especially involving the pitching staff.

    I will not blame him even if it derails this season.
    He was put in this position by an organization that underestimates the scope of what the catcher position entails.
     
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