A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II : If you recall, when they interviewed C. Young during the game, he was asked about the difference in Beckett between last night and his fir t start. Young replied (paraphrasing) that he mixed his pitches up better and had a good rhythm with Varitek . They also posted these numbers (updated): Josh w/Tek: 61-27. Josh w/o Tek: 11-14.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    Let's be honest, if Salty keeps this up he will lose starts anyway.  Wouldn't be surprised to see Varitek start 2 out of every 5 games.
     
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    [QUOTE]danny, you make some great points, but I don't recall anyone sayingwe were "surefire"... Is anybody ever "surefire"? Do many other teams have much less "issues" than we do... on paper?
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    NESN's Eric Ortiz stated as FACT, the RS will win 100 games:

    "The Red Sox have won 100 or more games three times in their 110-year existence. They will make it four in 2011."

    Even the title of the article is a statement of FACT.

    http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html

    Best.

    1-7.

    Team.

    EVAH!
     
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    moonslav,
    I've opined from time to time on this thread, often to criticize Theo for wasting money (and a lot of it) even though the counter argument - that all gms (eg, Cashmen) do so as well - is true. But as this season starts I really just want to chime in and truly congratulate you for these threads you have created, right here in the public domain, for all to participate in. And, thanks for keeping it up in the face of agreement, disagreement, disparagement, Yankee-fan trolling, winning, losing, etc.
     
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    harness, while you were gone I openly wondered about us getting Martin to catch.

    What are your views on his CERA-related abilities?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II : I haven't seen Beckett pitch like that in a long time. 2-3 yrs. His pitch selection baffled the Yanks. His command of the strikezone was extremely accurate (save for a few at-bats, but quickly got back on the horse).  Lets hope it's contagious. Not sure who deserved Player of the Game (although it's not particularly important), Beckett or Pedroia? Pedroia had me a little worried this past week complaining about the pin in his foot. Seems like the Sox should've won by soo much more. They're hitting, but having trouble scoring. And looking at this past week of 2-7 ball, not only was Texas off to a hot start, the Indians were too. Who knew?
    Posted by emp9[/QUOTE] The Indians are like a AAA team. It's not going to continue. Agreed?


     
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    The funny thing to me is that basically everybody, both writers and fans alike, recognize that it's way too early to extract any kind of conclusions given the small sample size, yet everybody is engaging on all the classic debates: the pitching sucks, Crawford is a bust, Saltalamacchia can't hit, etc etc. I guess you just need to talk about something.

    Come All Star time we'll probably up there fighting for first place as usual and we'll look back and wonder at the countless hours spent on futile debates after less than 10 games, and of course, all the smart writers will then come out saying how it was silly to panic that early and blah blah blah...
     
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    NESN's Eric Ortiz stated as FACT, the RS will win 100 games:

    "The Red Sox have won 100 or more games three times in www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/" target="_blank">their 110-year existence. They will make it four in 2011."

    Even the title of the article is a statement of FACT.

    www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html">http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html

    Best.

    1-7.

    Team.

    EVAH!

    100 wins does not mean WS. Many teams have won more than 100 and have no ring to show for it.
     
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    Theo Epstein brought in an overrated leftfielder with a limp arm who doesn't play the wall well to play next to a suspect CF with a limp arm who doesn't seem to get on base enough to play next to a RF who is contemplating retirement who is platooning with another RF who is also contemplating retirement. The team has a suspect SS who is backed up by another suspect SS, and the team's regular catcher started last year in the minor leagues.

    The team's starting staff consists of easily the most overrated Free Agent SP in the past 5 seasons, who has performed so mediocre that people will throw "quality starts" at you with his consistency, yet somehow forgive the fact that he is mostly terrible against every .600 or better team in baseball. They have two starters that have basically hung their hats on 2007 and are given a free pass for their consistent fall from top starters to middle of the rotation guys to 5th starter. They have a mopup guy who was relegated to mopup despite his strong history of throwing big games and being a stopper when the team is doing poorly....you know, like now. Instead, he can't help his team win because he's too busy mopping up after rookie types and newbies getting bombed after the starter gets bombed.

    Blame Tito? Blame Theo? I don't care who you blame, but don't tell me this team was going to be a surefire WS champion with the question marks I brought up in this post.
     
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    [QUOTE]No Amp, it is not all Salty's fault.  Pitching.  Timely hitting.  Hitting.  Errors.  Slow starts.  Managing decisions.  There are plenty of reasons.  I'm hoping this is just a bad dream from which we can awake.  Another win tomorrow vs. NYY, taking two of three would be a big help.  Sometimes these two teams just club each other.  Maybe tomorrow is our turn again.  I hope so.  I watched some of the game today and they just seemed sort of clueless.  So many guys going through this funk rather than just one or two off track...
    Posted by Critter23[/QUOTE]


    Well, Crit, I think Moon and Harness are just being gentlemen by holding back
    their feelings about Salty.  I'll never, ever have the patience and statistical interest or knowledge they have, but I still vote for giving the guy some slack.  Actually, I'm really starting to feel the guy is a diamond in the rough who is improving on the fly.  Theo, Terry and others must have seen something in him.  If, down the road, he doesn't work out, I'll be the first to acknowledge my short-sightedness.  But hell, he's young, a switch-hitter, good arm and great work ethic.  It WILL take time to get on the same page as all the pitchers, but with Tek's help, hopefully he will.
     
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    [QUOTE]Who would you say are the best 5 or so CERA-related catchers in MLB today. Are there any that are possible trade targets? I know it's early, but I'm beginning to wonder.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    That would be near impossible to answer, Moon.
    It would mean drawing comparisons to receivers who play in different venues, with different defenses, and catch different pitchers. When I researched this, I did find that catchers who couldn't hit were on the high end of CERA-related data.
    As you've said before, ya can't stay in the majors unless you have something to offer.

    Cash is a great example. Posters will remember him as a pathetic hitter, which he was. And his physical skill-set beyond his arm was only fair. But few got more out of a pitching staff. In fact, despite his anemic bat, the 2010 Sox did very well (win-loss) when he caught if you look at the same pitchers others were receiving.

    And the BP was better with Cash than anyone else.
     
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    No Amp, it is not all Salty's fault.  Pitching.  Timely hitting.  Hitting.  Errors.  Slow starts.  Managing decisions.  There are plenty of reasons.  I'm hoping this is just a bad dream from which we can awake.  Another win tomorrow vs. NYY, taking two of three would be a big help.  Sometimes these two teams just club each other.  Maybe tomorrow is our turn again.  I hope so.  I watched some of the game today and they just seemed sort of clueless.  So many guys going through this funk rather than just one or two off track...
     
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    [QUOTE]...and Softy who is clearly baseballGM behind ( again for the most part ). I choose to believe tom-uk over GM. tom says he caught softy red-handed. GM slipped by answering as softy, then quickly deleted his post. More evidence... we all know softy holds some pretty bizarre positions. What are the odds that GM has exactly the same positions and the same style and vitriol. The same enthusiastic level of bashing of precisely the same players softy despises. It's obvious softy's trying to save face by pretending he is not breaking his promise not to come on this thread. To me, he has proven his dishonesty countless times, so these actions do not surprise me. He's becoming such a pretender, I wonder if even he knows who he is anymore.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    It's time we upgraded this term to...LIAR.

    Softlaw said he'd never come back to this thread.

    Softlaw said he doesn't adopt other handles beyond his own.

    He a conniving liar. Any respect I ever had for him is gone.
     
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    my apologies, moon, my comment should have said surefire 100-win team, WS champion is a crapshoot once playoffs begin. Which was predicted by way too many bandwagon publications and media type.

    I know we had/have weaknesses. All teams do. Many have many more.

    I was one who projected 100 wins if totally healthy. I still think we can approach that.

    That doesn't mean I dont think mistakes were made.  Paying big money to duplicate a strength (OF) was foolish in my opinion. We had much more serious slots to fill.

    It's still early. If I had told you we'd have a 1-7 streak sometime in the season, would you have been overly concered? Just because it is at the start of the year, doesn't mean we are toast.
     
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    choose to believe tom-uk over GM.

    tom says he caught softy red-handed. GM slipped by answering as softy, then quickly deleted his post.

    The only reason I didn't save it is because I didn't hit reply to post.  I was about to add a post when it blanked and when it came back his post was deleted. Then he put it where he intended.

    Hey Mr Moon youth over age Lowrie over Scut.Wink  Hot start Lowrie plus slow start for Scut, I think will lead to a change.

    I know you may b right, but I'll stick with the known over the unknown for now. I want Jed to play alot. I wish he'd get 35 games in at 3B as Youk DH's for Papi vs most lefties.

    Side note:  Softly and I asked Chip if we could write for EPSN, he said no. So we are going to do a debate series on jedlowrie.net The site hasn't had a baseball comment in 2 years (mostly Viagra spam), but I think we can revive it.  Topic suggestions are welcome.  First debate is on famous switch hitting SS with gapped teeth who like unions. Softy only agreed when I told him he could have two names.Smile

    lol
     
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    Harness, I have to admit that although I'm a Salty supporter, I'm starting to waver.  I do hope that he blossoms into someone decent, but I'm really starting to sense the uncomfortableness the pitchers have when he's behind the plate. And, I just don't mean pitch calling..hell, Beckett called off Tek quite a few times the other night.  Defensively, he's OK.  It's something else.  Was DiceK terrible tonight because he just didn't have it?  Or, was it because of some intangible negative psychological effect potentiated when he catches?

    I hope I'm wrong here...we'll eventually see. 
     
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    I wish I was softlaw, because the obscession with him makes him akin to a baseball cult hero. I'm fine being the guy on the grassy knoll;) 

    Scutaro got the big hit, which was the key offensive moment in the game. Lowrie fits better in the UIF. He's really a 2nd baseman, as he doesn't the quickness or long graceful strides to be an everyday career SS.

    Pedroia's double play move was the key defensive play of the game, as he's fully recovered which means the core heart and soul of the Red Sox is back!

    Beckett's form is the most important barometer for the hopes of this year's team. Starting pitching is the only issue on this team being a championship team. If Buch rebounds to close to his 2010 form performance levels, this team will win the division. It only takes 3 starters performing at a higher level to get the starting pitching job done. Only 2 last year.

    Delighted the team has AGon instead of Tex. There hasn't been any right after opening day done deal signed as was reported. That's disappointing because there was little doubt that the shoulder injury was not going to be any long term issue. Beckett's deal was already announced by now. The Red Sox were clearly hedging on the shoulder, which should cost them a pretty penny when the deal is signed. Theo should have agreed to a winter deal and had it signed with a week or so after opening day. It's going to cost him more for hedging and waiting on the regular season early performance. 

    Crawford will come around, and the only place for him is leadoff.  

     
     
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    I'm not "softy", I hated Lugo who was another foolish contract from the mind of Theo. Whoever "softy" was, it's pretty easy to see that he or she must have embarrassed you enough to where you feel the need to keep invoking that moniker. Don't be so defensive, you might want to rethink the need to be defensive. It makes you look inferior.

    The jig is up dude.
    I don't belive defending the truth is in anyway looking "inferior".


    Save the O's quote all you would like, and I will make a note how you saved it when you later deny buying into the O's being for real. I repeat, the O's are not for real. Now, save that;)
     
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    Who would you say are the best 5 or so CERA-related catchers in MLB today.

    Are there any that are possible trade targets?

    I know it's early, but I'm beginning to wonder.
     
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     I just caught up on about a dozen pages of comments; you guys are very prolific in your comments when things are going badly! I'm certainly not happy with the start, but I've always been a "glass half-full" kind of guy and I feel it's way too early to panic. In fact, I think Tito's lineup shuffling could be interpreted as panic and is an early over-reaction to the bad start. The bad start is primarily at the feet of the starting pitching which is putting the team behind early and forcing the hitters to play catch-up. The result is a lineup that is pressing to do too much with each at bat. They are too good top to bottom to not right the ship, and I'm sure we'll be looking at a 6 and 9 or 7 and 10 team before much longer.
     Amp to answer your questions about Salty I will tell you that I think he is blameless as far as the pitching is concerned. The pitchers are simply not hitting spots and when they are the pitches have very little life and are very hittable. I think he sets a great target when no one is on base, especially for a guy who stands 6'4" or more. The issue about his moving target is maybe something I'm missing. When the sign is given the location is established and setting the target too early can tip off a hitter, especially with runners on to relay the location to the hitter. If a pitcher is relying on glove location for their target, instead of body location on the catcher's body, then that goes against any pitching/catching philosophy that I have ever played with.  With runners on, he gets into a "throwing" position and actually gets rid of the ball quite well for such a tall guy. He has had a few throws sail on him, which is a sign of his pressing just a little, just as his at bats indicate that he is pressing. He receives and frames balls very well, handles pitches in the dirt very athletically and seems to have a solid rapport with the pitchers. I really like his swing as well and feel he will hit. Boom is a little too harsh in his criticism citing 600 at bats as a good enough sample size. But when those at bats are stretched out over four seasons it is not a significant sample size. 
     I also know that Crawford is overpaid (who isn't in MLB??) and to date is underperforming. But he too is putting too much pressure on himself and he will be fine. I think he may possibly sit tonight against CC to get his head together and I also think he would benefit from NOT moving around the batting order. Unfortunately, with all of our rehabbing players Tito could not effectively use Spring Training to establish the best batting order and I'm not sure I've got a surefire winner either. But I do believe that moving hitters around this early only adds to the pressure they are already putting on themselves.
      We need Becket to throw a beauty tonight and get the bats working against CC, a tall order in and of itself. But I refer back to my first paragraph about soon seeing a 6 and 9 or a 7 and 10 team before much longer.
     
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    [QUOTE]No, it was Theo . Many of the players commented how passionate it was. They said they never heard Theo talk like that before. Wasn't that Tito's job?
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    Tito's talking to them all the time.  This was something different.  Kind of like the CEO stopping in to give a little pep talk to the employees and making a big impression on them.  It's a rarity for a GM to do this and I'm sure it will stay that way. 
     
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    Moon: You must feel like ur teaching Howdy "GM" Doody.
    Taking him to the toolshed is more like it.

    Wake & Lester may be Boston's two best bets when facing NY.
    They are the only ones can can negate those LH bats.

    As much as softy GM hates to admit it, it appears Wake is earning a chance to go beyond "mop up".

    Wake vs the Yanks:
    '11  2 IP          0 ER  0 H    0 BB (.000 OPS)
    '10  14.1 IP    6 ER  11H   3 BB (.615 OPS)
    '09  6 IP          3 ER   6 H   3 BB (.953 OPS)
    '08  21.2 IP  12 ER  22H  6 BB  (.774 OPS)

    When you consider the Sox staff as a whole has these numbers vs the Yanks:
    '11   18 IP  14 ER  21 H 8 BB (without Wake: 16 IP/14ER  21H/8BB)
    '10   5.30 ERA  .797 OPS
    '09   5.28 ERA  .876 OPS
    '08   5.09 ERA  .760 OPS

    Wake vs Yanks 2010-2011:
    16.1 IP  6 ER  11H  3 BB  (3.31 ERA  0.857 WHIP)

    Wake vs Yanks 2009-2011:
    22.1 IP  9 ER  17H   6 BB (3.63 ERA  1.030 WHIP)

    Wake vs Yanks 2008-2011:
    45 IP  21 ER  29 H   12 BB (4.20 ERA  0.911 WHIP)

    All some people want to remember is Boone's HR.
     
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    [QUOTE]I lost respect a long time ago, but then he changed for awhile last winter. I am the forgiving type, but then he started misrepresenting nearly every point I ever had. Couple that with his always present super-sized ego and his taking credit for being first to hold every position that turns out right, was just too much to put up with. I was taught to never stand quiet for people telling lies and spouting hatred. I know it may have seemed extreme to answer every one of his lies--and there were many--but I felt I had to. Too many newbies and old enablers were falling for his tired old routines. It's ironic how he praised my thread for so long, then once I started criticizing him again, he bashed me, the thread and promised never to come here. Then, of course, he realized this was the best thread for talking serious Sox talk not related to one game threads and couldn't resist. He's an outright joke now. It's not even pathetic anymore. It's sick.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    That's the sad part.

    Law vanished when Buck proved him wrong. He is a coward.

    Softlaw uses a ridiculously transparent mask - to mask how wrong he was at so many levels last year. His GM projections never transpired, so he attacks Theo instead of admitting the obvious.

    He took the position that CERA was voodoo because it's not widely accepted by GM's.
    Now that VMART is no longer a FT catcher - that no GM wanted him in that capacity - he won't even debate the issue with me. Instead he wears the mask of a liar.

    Softlaw is a born liar.
     
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    Beckett looked back "in form" tonight.

    It's early.

    It's just one game.
    I rarely make judgements based on one game.

    But, this was very encouraging.

    (Glad to see VTek keeping Beckett on track.)
     
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    Not only do we have to see how badly the Sox are doing, with Sabathia pitching tomorrow. We have to hear about how GREAT the Orioles are. Enough already Harness! Cool
     

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