A Realistic Look at 2011: Part II

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    Crit: I respectfully disagree. The "new" Katz is hilarious!
     
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    How many innings has old Wastefield pitching in that sample, Schlep-Slav? Lackey is a contract value bust, but comparing him to Wakefield the mop is utterly absurd.
     
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    The new 5K is the same old 5k who said that Crisp would be selling insurance on the streets of LA, this year. He's in the insurance business not because of his language skills or his wit.
     
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    Few thoughts:

    Wake and Aceves are not going to keep throwing near shut out ball and there is a better chance of winning the Irish Sweepstakes than them both doing it for any sustained period of time. Kason Gabbard ring a familar note?

    Lackey is going to be returned to the rotation unless there is a serious medical issue that prevents it. IMO the recent events are likely to be a catalyst to his getting his Boston career on track. The RS have too much invested here and he is too good a pitcher to shelf for a hot hand, when in your heart you know you are playing with house money.

    The talk about Wake being frail doesn't have much foundation. The man had a back injury that required invasive procedure at the end of 2009. That no doubt has healed at this point. He had no prior injury history and he looks pretty good when he has to come off the mound now. In his career he was an iron man when compared to many pitchers, probably a by-product of the knuckleball. It is a red herring.

    I am not even sure if the most prolific poster anti-Wake this year even really believes half his drivel, I suspect he does it to provoke Harness and Moon as a residual of the Dice-K - Wake debate from last season. (The RS happened to agree with "he who is on ignore" BTW, it just has gotten carried away to the point that baseball logic is gone and baiting has taken over IMO).

    But if things are close to equal, Aceves is better suited to be used in relief, less likely to be as big a concern with inherited runners (wild pitch/PB), the stolen base etc. Aceves makes the BP stronger than Wake does. If they both are relatively the same starter there isn't any reason not to have an equal strength rotation and more complete BP.

    I happen to agree that Wake is pretty much a luxury item on a 12 man pitching staff in the 5 starting pitcher ERA. He is a mop up guy and spot starter. Aceves is the better guy to give us 2-3 clean innings, come in to get 2 outs with RISP etc.

    If Aceves is more consistent than Wake in the next couple of weeks the best man should get the starters role however.

     
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    Few more thoughts:

    The Wake bait runs deeper than Dice/Wake. The one you cleverly have on IGGY actually sees Wake in the mirror. Hence the personal disgust.
    But please don't compare Gabby to Wake.

    The 'soft one' has a better argument saying it's ludicrous to compare Lackey to Wake. And it is! Wake's ERA is much lower than Lackey's this year!!!
    Of course, ERA is his favorite barometer.

    I'll bet Wake has a higher percentage of career clean innings than most of his contemporaries. This fact gets lost when prioritizing passed balls and steals.

    As for the back surgery, no way to tell how it's affected him, lack of pain withstanding...
     
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     If they both are relatively the same starter

    ERA over 2 months doesn't cut it, Harness.

    5K, your take on Wakefield is certainly more reasonable than the drones on this thread. You agree that Wakefield, if Aceves is a better performing starter, shouuld not be the starter. Well, take a look at 2009 to date and the answer is about as obvious as it gets. Aceves only has to be good enought to be a step down from Lester, Buch and Beckett. Pretty clear he can do that, and he has a right to be angry about watching Wakefield squat while he was sent to AAA. If he gets demoted when Lackey returns, he should head to API for the rest of the year. The media has submitted that he needs to accept the pen demotion and show maturity. One has to be kidding!!!!!!!! When Lackey is activated, Wakefield needs to be put on the real DL and show some maturity!!!!!! 
     
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    This isn't the image I see in the mirror, but I'm sure it's the guts that Harness sees:

    View Image

     
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    I honestly see you in that pic.
    You are thinking about the venom you will spew tonight on BDC.
    And after they ban you.
    And after they ban you.
    And after they ban you.
    And after they ban you...
     
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    No, you are thinking "I can't see my willy, either, so I like this guy".

    You are thinking about all the bullying you do as a fulltime job.

    You wish they ban anyone who doesn't put up with your bullying.

    BTW, Varitek should play for the Rays, so you can take your nonsense down there and talk about how great he is.
     
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    ouch* SoxSoldRed wins again.
     
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    Softy is racking up losses, especially on his 'debunking' thread where he is being used as a pinata.
     
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    Harness, the Kason Gabbard reference was for all those who thought back in 2007 we had found the next great LH starter and freaked out at his inclusion in the Gagne trade. It was to remind all that a couple of starts don't indicate anything beyond the starts themselves.






     
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    Let's hope the run support continues for all of our pitchers.

    This Detroit team is pretty good.
     
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    Back to page one...


    Softy has pledged to stay away, so that alone makes this a much less hostile place for rational debate and ideas. 


    Kind of reminds me of Obama and all his lies.
     
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    I don't know if any of you have had back/disc surgery.  I've had two...on the same disc.  Prior to surgery, a symptom which occurs which is usually the indicator to operate, is the loss of function in the leg(s).  This happens because pressure on the spinal chord and/or blood supply to the specific nerves renders the leg weaker or not functioning at all. 

    If an operation under these circumstances isn't worked on in a timely manner, the loss of leg function could be permanent.  Personally, and you'd never know it, my loss is about 5%.

    When I read that Wakefield was pitching prior to having his surgery(by the way, the leg dysfunction can be pain-free), I thought two things.  One, remarkable.  Two, please don't wait too long to perform the surgery.

    In essence, the guy is a trooper to risk permanent surgery for the good of the team.  I'm sure he had many professional opinions on this, but still....

    I have nothing but admiration for this man whether he pitches well or not.
     
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    Im a fan of wake. Interviewed him a few years back here in tampa.. low-key great guy. With that said, I think Aceves should get the chance to start. His pace is great on the mound and hes got that bulldog mentality. Even though Wake had back surgery and is "OK" now, I think with a heavy workload he as more risk than Aceves does..Wake has been valueable out of the pen this year. Id rather have the younger pitcher that has so far earned a shot at least. I know its a small sample size for Aceves, but I still think he should get the shot first..
     
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    With all respect to the great 5katz and others here. I leave them both in the rotation as long as they keep producing. It won't hurt Lackey to have a few weeks to rest. Aceves and Wakefield are not going to keep pitching great ball but as long as they are I'M PLAYING THEM!

    We all know Lackey will be back starting soon but we are on a roll right now, firing on all cylinders with near win streak performances. Why mess with it?

    To me, Wakefield is best measured by his number of quality starts. He either gives up 1-3 runs or he gets shelled. I'll take that kind of guy as my 5th starter any day.

    Aceves has had some success in the past. This isn't coming out of nowhere. But if Lackey comes back I'm probably sliding Aceves back into the pen. And I'm not in any hurry to do that as long as Aceves keeps giving us top quality starts.
     
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    You know Burrito, it's hard for us to believe you live in Cambodia as there must be very few people from the US who live there, but to parrot and support Softlaw no matter what he says or does is pretty lame. We generally take people at their word here but sometimes things stretch into incredulity.
     
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    [QUOTE]This isn't the image I see in the mirror, but I'm sure it's the guts that Harness sees:
    Posted by SoxSoldRed[/QUOTE]

    do you have a picture of CC ?
     
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    Harness, I too appreciate Five-K's humor but I appreciate his "baseball logic" a lot more, and I don't want one detracting from the other--except occasionally.  I don't even like humor that mimics the "lurking presence."

    Five-K (I like your new rapper name...) I agree with all you and others are saying about the pitching situation and (do I infer?) that it might be a prod to get Lackey going, but personally I'd like to see Aceves stay in there until or unless he starts to screw up.  The proof is in the pudding, and right now he is the pudding.  So is Wake, but I think the law of averages will catch up to Wake sooner.  BUT I think Wake has always responded the best when the team needed him the most...
     
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    Wakefield doesn't pitch like CC. If he did, he could weigh as much as he likes. Wake also isn't in his early 30's.

    High keyed guys can also be good guys, southpaw.

    I agree with the rest of your take, with the exception that Wakefield has any value in the pen. Wakefield should be handled just like Oki, who didn't deserve that. Unlikely any team would pay Wakefield and would just wait to see if he declines the minor league assignment and becomes a FA. What better way to see who is a good guy.

    If Wakefield clears waivers, most likely, he could then be parked in AAA for a call-up (heaven help). AAA, the NL, or retired is Wakefield should have been since the end of 2009.

     
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    Wake starts.
    Oki doesn't.

    Do you need to take a course in Viagra to comprehend this?
     
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    [QUOTE]Back to page one... Softy has pledged to stay away, so that alone makes this a much less hostile place for rational debate and ideas.  Kind of reminds me of Obama and all his lies.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    You are hurting me Moon! The Pain, the pain!

    Can't think of a single lie. He tried to close Guantanamo but congress wouldn't vote for it. I honestly do not know of any lies he had control over.

    Anyway.
     
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    I really don't think Wakefield would clear waivers. A lot of teams would love to have him as a 5th starter.
     
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    Want to add gasoline to the fool's fire? Just mention Obama or Wake.
    I now fully expect this thread to be side-tracked all weekend...
     

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