Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part III
posted at 10/2/2011 2:36 PM EDT
In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part III
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part III : For the record , you bow out gracefully. "We'll have to agree to disagree". Which only means you are putting something off for another time.
NO, It's means I don't want to waste any more time with that discussion.
Not wanting to discuss it further on Moon's thread...and doing just that.
I've tried several times to respect this thread and even gave expitch the last word and then you chimed it again.
Bopping around from one thread to another, and blaming me for not seeing a retraction from this thread that was posted on another thread.
You cited it as BS when I had already retracted it. I just mistook the name. Mathis rather than Napoli. Easy mistake since they played on the same team, same position. And I did retract it long before your post.
Should I have just say Blaming someone, anyone... for not stopping a feud.
When people like expitch were making a big issue over nothing, for 10 pages of posts, people should step in like Ton-UK just did above. That is what responsible posters should do rather than say HEY, YOU ARE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR" Expitch!
Now UR back to memory slippage, which you used before when I called you out for UR wishing Softy would expire.
Here is just an example of the kind of distortion some people resort to. Maybe it's just ignorance or a reading comprehension problem. I don't know but it happens. Last year I was talking about Softy's intransigency on subjects like Ellsbury. I said something like "Softy will have a sign on his grave saying "I hate Ellsbury". Harness interprets that to mean I wished him dead. I was being hyperboolically funny about softy's intransigence. That he would hate Ellsbury no matter what, to the end. At no time was I saying I wish he were dead. The urban legend continues.
How would you feel Harness if someone did that to you, and kept bringing it up? If you accuse someone enough times, people start to believe it.
When I was about to research that post, you suddenly disappeared for weeks.
I happened to see the post last night when looking for the CERA is worth 1-1.5 runs posts. I had no freaking idea what you were talking about until last night. Looking up that stuff takes hours I don't want to give.
Where's this going? It's called being held accountable for UR actions. For God knows how long, you've been pointing fingers at players for PED/steroid use w/o any actual proof. Ex-P got tired of it and called you out.
It is true that I have researched PED use more than most of you. When I cite news reports though and lots of corroborating EVIDENCE and INDICATORS, you and expitch just say thing like "I think he's innocent" or "I think he just found his stroke" (not exact quotes but paraphrasing ). You have chosen to be Pollyannas and that is your choice. I have no problem with that no matter how uninformed and naive it is ( to me ) but you guys want the inquisition on me every time it's discussed. My data and opinion is irrelevant. Even 10 pages of google postings were irrelevant to expitch. That is pig headedness.
I have tried to point out that we can't know for sure and it's unfortunate that some non cheaters are going to be thrown out with the cheaters but you know what, they are all making a lot of money and if they are not caught ( or are innocent ) they are doing just fine. I just want the sport to be clean and accurate information might be the key to that development.
You use the very journalism you denounce for supporting UR stance.
No harness, I don't call what I denounce as journalism. Try to keep up with me here. Journalism is when they do not present both sides of the story. To ignore indicators and evidence of PED use is not journalism. It's what you guys prefer to read.
When that was questioned, you claim the "facts" are on UR side.
That's because they are!
You had a chance to back up UR position on "CERA" when Moon offered a terrific deal for those who didn't buy into the premise.
I didn't see Moon's offer. I tuned out most of the CERA stuff long ago. I prefer to believe sources like baseball prospectus and Bill James. I'm real sorry about that. I don't read your points on the subject any more. 300 posts were more than enough for me.
You go on and on citing "experts", and yet when it came time to put up or shut up, where were you? Where are your experts?
I've cited them maybe 4 times now. How about this one:
Salient quote from that article:
[...] if there is a true game calling ability, it lies below the threshold of detection. There is no statistical evidence for a large game-calling ability, but that doesn't preclude that a small ability exists that influences results on the field.
Every year, year in and year out, same thing. Pitchers perform better with Tek. Where are your experts to explain the phenomenon? The variance? For the record , you will slide away yet again, sooner than later. And for the record , I will be right there to re-visit it when it comes up again. And it will.
There is no question that you will argue your points. I would prefer to agree to disagree rather than keep argueing.
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