Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part III
posted at 7/31/2011 10:02 PM EDT
In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part III
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part III : Listen, Carmac, my last post was in response to yours claiming that while the rest of us were nattering about a starter or right fielder you "made the call" about shortstop. Many posters were all over that subject.
Yeah, as in proposing Navarro to be given a shot there. I don't care who was first but the projections appeared wrong to me. We didn't have a good internal solution and we still don't but we are going to limp by until next year apparently. Scutaro is acceptable and we now have both Lowrie and Avila for backup. Acceptable.
Some wanted to see Iglesias right now, others to see Navarro get a shot. You were, as usual, patting yourself on the back, this time for making the call that half the board was making. You did not make the call on the trade.
I said we didn't have a good internal option and I said that Theo was probably looking outside the organization. I suggested Jose Reyes as an unlikely possibility but suggested they had to do something external. It turned out to be the case.
All of that, not the whole Navarro question, is what I called you on. But you are so wrapped up in your diagnostic and prognosticative acumen that you didn't read my post carefully. It did not go back over the whole Navarro issue. You chose to do that on your own here, without prompting because you love to strut. Now, please read carefully. You are right that you and the Sox agreed about Navarro. That's it. You cannot be right yet about Navarro's destiny as sub/minor leaguer. Some of us thought Navarro was worth a shot. You and the Sox did not. ( You've repeated your "evidence" ad nauseam. ) That's the extent of your correctness. Gloat away. If the Royals or some other team allows Navarro to play a sustained stretch at short or third, not your oft-repeated "9 games," we'll know more.
I said 9 innings like 3 times but you still didn't get it apparently. Navarro might become an acceptable 3rd base guy but it is unlikely. If he becomes a PED user he may develop more pop and become a good 3rd base option, even a great one. Other than that I think it is highly unlikely. Personally, I think he is primarily a career minor league guy waiting to happen.
You do like to attack straw men. None of us claimed Navarro was a sure thing or that he should be penciled in at SS for 2012.
When did I ever say that you, or anyone else, said he was a sure thing or should be penciled in? It didn't happen. I was disputing that he would even be given a sincere shot. He was the Redsox SS of last resort only IMO.
We said we'd like to see him get a shot in ST, if not sooner. That's it. We won't get to see either. What are we "wrong" about. What's to admit to?
That he was not going to be given a real shot at SS for the Redsox. He clearly was not going to be given that opportunity after 9 innings played there in 2 years in the majors and he was clearly being groomed as a sub even in the minors.
That we'd like to have seen a talented kid get a chance in Boston?
I'll admit to that if it will warm your heart. But no one has yet been right or wrong about Navarro's future. No one here predicted a great one for him, with Boston or anywhere. But more than one source HAS in fact predicted that he will have a better-than-average career if he gets a chance to play. Gloat if you like that you were right and soxprospects wrong about what Theo and Company think about the young man . You're still patting yourself on the back. "I tried to be polite." ( You even went on about being a humane employer, to no purpose. ) I do not require or request politeness from you. ( It is not always appropriate. ) But I do request that you respond to what I've written in response to what you've written.
I respond and you guys criticize that I respond too much. That I repeat things. I gave lots of pertinent details which proved relevant and insightful. Here is another response.
You did not do that above. You used my post as an occasion to climb back on your hobby horse. You have not been "understanding" in the basic sense: getting the message that others are sending.
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