Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part III
posted at 9/15/2011 1:06 AM EDT
In Response to Re: A Realistic Look at 2011: Part III
Harness promoting Farrell internally is an interesting take but I am not sure he would be a very good fit in Boston. Don't think he'd handle the media that goes with that job nearly as well as the RS from Henry down would like. He may in fact be better suited IMO for that FO job than Francona would be too. You never have FWIW gotten the drift of my critique of Farrell v. Dice-K. I have never defended what much of what Dice K had to say to Japanese writer back in 09 or really curse Farrell for his thoughts on the subject. But getting into a public spitting contest with a player in the media over it frankly was wrong. It isn't the way Theo or Tito operate. Some players are divas and idiots and air dirt laundry outside of the clubhouse but IMO great management does not and it isn't a sign of weakness. BB of the Pats is far from a pansy and in many ways is a noted hard azz. But whether it was Moss or Thomas or other issues BB keeps it in the room even if the diva idiots don't. Personal preference here of course but anytime the person in the parent/leadership role gets in the mud with the child/subordinate they are acting a fool and show poor judgment and leadership qualities. In a manager the media here will feed it for awhile but ventually kill you with it and a fair amount of players won't respect you for it either. To some extent you credit Farrell for deep rooted organizational values. The shoulder strengthening programs roots proceeded him and I am sure it is still here. I am not sure that the total disdain of slide step and focusing on holding runners did not have its roots with the numbers geeks with Dell's and not Farrell either balancing the good (shoulder program) with bad (that ill fated just focus on the batter at the plate not the runner). And FWIW going and getting that head strong Pitcher from Japn and then telling him to change so much because it was MLB was decison that I think ran much deeper in its roots than Farrell's office. Yeah Lester and Buch haven't been their best this year. But Farrell also couldn't get Papelbon close to right in two years and saw over some sub-par for Beckett years from Josh before this year. There have been plenty of misses during Farrell's reign and lots of successes. He was a very good pitching coach but he wasn't and isn't Dave Duncan either. I just poke in here every once in awhile not trying to change your mind on the topic but rather as a counter weight. On to the topic of the day FWIW I think now the RS are in trouble even if the survive the regular season. Bard is likely playing through something and without him the bullpen it is pray you can get to Papelbon and the elastic Mr. Aceves. Youk is doing IMO a Lowell - A-Rod gig trying to play the rest of the year. It all feels bad right now. Jidgef, as for Tito getting roasted in the media today for sticking with Bard, that's RS Nation. If he pulled hm and another reliever blew it he gets roasted. If he skipped and they lost he gets roasted. When the RS lose he gets roasted, it is just the way things work in the market. But for all the second guessers in the world I wonder how much they'd like managing this current rotation and bullpen or how much they like the having the players he ha in the OF aside from Ellsbury to work with. Right now his job sux and most of all as a starter falters and the earlier he falters IMO it real sux. I am an eternal optmist but right now this club doesn't feel very good as the year closes. As weird as it sounds if the PO started today, I think the Tigers would have as good shot as anybody to get out of the AL and lose to the winner of the NL. Just my take
Posted by fivekatz
I realize Farrell had his short-comings. He's human. But the two critical areas for a PC beyond his ability are communication skills and dedication. And he was quite good in both areas. Pitchers said this more than once. The team advocates not using slide-step (Bedard does, but he always has, and it doesn't seem to affect his velocity). And they are insistent about training regime. Farrell simply carried that out.
I wouldn't measure Farrell's skills with the media on that one occasion with Dice.
He was interviewed often and was always kind and accessible.
Dice ripped the FO and Farrell reacted. Perhaps he would have done it differently if he could have done it again, but I wouldn't blame him either way.
To draw an awkward analogy, sometime ago I started a Wake thread called:
TIM WAKEFIELD: AN HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. It was long before the flood of wake threads we see now. Overall, it was a good thread with informative responses. Except for one NY jerk, who went after Joel49
. Now, Joel
is as well-mannered a poster as you will ever find on this board. Just a wonderful presence. Man, I'll tell ya, Joel lit into him and admitted was really
Just goes to show we are all human.