A Realistic look at 2012: Part I

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    All the world is a frown, just go to Red Sox Spring Training if you do not believe me.
     
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    Careful, your buddy mr hanky will now accuse you of bumping this thread.
     
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    Ohhhh No! You Dih- Ent !

    Surprised
     
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    Although I think it way too early to express optimism or pessimism, as such, I do share some of of Boom's reservations about this club.
    The rotation is suspect until it shakes out into some semblance of regularity, and especially until Buchholz shows that he can pitch and stay healthy. Even if Bard stays in the rotation, his innings may be limited, putting more pressure on the back end. Beckett and Lester are said to have "something to prove," and should respond; but that will be decided on the field.
    Pedey will be breaking in yet another shortstop. Owing to graduation and early signings, the keystone combination in college is rarely stable, I know, but stability counts in the ML. ( Moon, did you play all three, or four, years on the college varsity with the same shortstop or with different shortstops? Maybe you can testify that it makes a difference. Any other second basemen or shortstops out there? ) Pedey has already said that Iglesias should not always be a fancy dan. If Aviles is the starter, he's bound to be a little rusty at the position, not having played it regularly since 2008 ( I think ). In any event, the position, the most important defensive one, is still murky. The Sox need to catch a break here.
    The corner OF positions should produce better than in 2011, between one thing and another. But not much pop can be expected from either, Ross slipped a bit, and Sweeney faces the test of a pin-ball rightfield in Fenway. It remains to be seen whether Crawford will find a comfort zone in Boston.
    Youk's health, at this stage of his career, remains a concern, as does his mobility even if he's relatively healthy. A lot depends, IMO, on how well his bat speaks in the middle of the order too.
    The catching tandem could go either way -- a nice complementary set for a full season, or, in Salty's case, less than thrilling defense. 
    Papelbon will not be easy to replace. We shall see. 
    Ortiz has reached the point where he could go south in a hurry. I doubt that this will happen, but it cannot be ruled out.
    That leaves Ellbury, Pedey, and Gonzalez, all of whom can reasonably be expected to have good years, of one variety or another. Otherwise, it's wait and see and hope for the best. The Sox could very well be a strong club and be right in the mix all the way -- barring crucial injuries -- or they could sputter just enough now and then -- not consistently, one hopes -- to keep them once again from making the playoffs.
    An interesting year is about to begin.
     
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    [QUOTE]Although I think it way too early to express optimism or pessimism, as such, I do share some of of Boom's reservations about this club. The rotation is suspect until it shakes out into some semblance of regularity, and especially until Buchholz shows that he can pitch and stay healthy. Even if Bard stays in the rotation, his innings may be limited, putting more pressure on the back end. Beckett and Lester are said to have "something to prove," and should respond; but that will be decided on the field. Pedey will be breaking in yet another shortstop. Owing to graduation and early signings, the keystone combination in college is rarely stable, I know, but stability counts in the ML. ( Moon, did you play all three, or four, years on the college varsity with the same shortstop or with different shortstops? Maybe you can testify that it makes a difference. Any other second basemen or shortstops out there? ) Pedey has already said that Iglesias should not always be a fancy dan. If Aviles is the starter, he's bound to be a little rusty at the position, not having played it regularly since 2008 ( I think ). In any event, the position, the most important defensive one, is still murky. The Sox need to catch a break here. The corner OF positions should produce better than in 2011, between one thing and another. But not much pop can be expected from either, Ross slipped a bit, and Sweeney faces the test of a pin-ball rightfield in Fenway. It remains to be seen whether Crawford will find a comfort zone in Boston. Youk's health, at this stage of his career, remains a concern, as does his mobility even if he's relatively healthy. A lot depends, IMO, on how well his bat speaks in the middle of the order too. The catching tandem could go either way -- a nice complementary set for a full season, or, in Salty's case, less than thrilling defense.  Papelbon will not be easy to replace. We shall see.  Ortiz has reached the point where he could go south in a hurry. I doubt that this will happen, but it cannot be ruled out. That leaves Ellbury, Pedey, and Gonzalez, all of whom can reasonably be expected to have good years, of one variety or another. Otherwise, it's wait and see and hope for the best. The Sox could very well be a strong club and be right in the mix all the way -- barring crucial injuries -- or they could sputter just enough now and then -- not consistently, one hopes -- to keep them once again from making the playoffs. An interesting year is about to begin.
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]

     Ross will get a chance to play right away due to CC's injury, and with his straight pull power will, I believe, make quite an impression, Sweeney can handle RF fine...Bard will be monitored for innings pitched, and may catch a break when Dice-K returns, a possible temporary six man rotation might help around the end of July to give everyone a break...the keystone combination will be fine. Salty will have a breakout year, the confidence he gains from being number one, and not having to catch and defend Wakefield will help statistically as well. The biggest question mark is Buch, how does a guy fracture his back throwing a pitch? and can it happen again?
     
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    I agree generally with the above. A lot of things could impact us but probability indicates we will have a solid team nonetheless. I'm not expecting Salty to have a breakout year but that would surely help tremendously if he did. Sometimes the unexpected "good" thing happens, as it did for Ellsbury last year. 

    The "Ellsbury" of this year should be Buchholz to me. He's the most likely to emerge with a "monster" season IMO of this year's batch.
     
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    Oh, and then the camel exploded. AND HIS BUMP! SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES YAY!!!
    To give you my actual opinion, though, I think the Red Sox will do bad at the beginning, heat up during the summer, and collapse because of a stupid injury at the end. They always do it, but seeing as we have some new staff and new players, it may turn out different.
     
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    I got to listen to the Wakefield presser this afternoon and he was as emotional and classy as I would have expected him to be. He thanked the entire organization, naming names, from Joh  Henry to Dan Duquette to his bullpen catchers anbd clubhouse boys. His last few seasons may not have been great, but I can't think of another player on the team that I would rather sit and have a beer with than Tim. But Boston dotcom has to be nervous because the number of hits to all the Softy Wake-bashing threads might cripple their advertising budget. And what on earth, or should I say who on earth, will Softy write about now? Maybe just keep up the attack on our friend Moon.
     
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     @jidgef:Or he'll rain on Ellsbury's parade- at least until I unveil a link it took last summer:

    In Response to Re: Ellsbury 's trip to the All Star game has special meaning:
    [QUOTE]Maybe Jake can run a casino when his playing career ends in a few years.
    Posted by bettersoftthanlaw[/QUOTE]

    -See? Totally genius! I'll post it on one of his bash-Ellsbury threads in 2013.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: A Realistic look at 2012: Part I :  Ross will get a chance to play right away due to CC's injury, and with his straight pull power will, I believe, make quite an impression, Sweeney can handle RF fine...Bard will be monitored for innings pitched, and may catch a break when Dice-K returns, a possible temporary six man rotation might help around the end of July to give everyone a break...the keystone combination will be fine. Salty will have a breakout year, the confidence he gains from being number one, and not having to catch and defend Wakefield will help statistically as well. The biggest question mark is Buch, how does a guy fracture his back throwing a pitch? and can it happen again?
    Posted by YOUKILLUS20[/QUOTE]
    I hope you are right about Ross and Salty. This is Salty's up or down year, probably. Ross will see tougher pitching in the ALE than he did in the NLW.

    Bard first has to establish himself as a starter before his innings count even kicks in. Dice-K could make a big positive difference -- if he can cut it. Far from certain.
    The middle infield has not been "fine" for several years, owing to this or that. Aviles, if the starter, has to prove that he's an everyday shortstop, and that his range to his right is good enough to compensate, up to a point, Youk's reduced range to his left. That zone is critical defensively. Besides, the club needs much better defense in LF.
    Though Buchholz is not THE key, IMO, he will make a big difference one way or the other. Bad backs are cranky hombres.
    The Sox figure to be a good baseball team. They also figure to do a little better than that rather than a little worse. But we know how that goes.
    Let's see them play.


     
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    moon here is an Alternate Timeline question for you:  If the MLB had expanded the Wild Card for the 2011 season and the Sox made the play-offs, got hot, and won the whole thing - keep in mind the September collapse is still a factor,

    A)  Did they really deserve it? 

    B)  Do we make sweeping changes all the same?

    I was going to start a thread on this but I think as it is time to move on I just wanted to pose it to you or the other few people that visit this thread regularly.
     
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    Ross will get a chance to play right away due to CC's injury, and with his straight pull power will, I believe, make quite an impression, Sweeney can handle RF fine...

    If CC was healthy, I had Ross playing RF vs all lefties and half the righties (maybe about 450 PAs) and Sweeney for about 250 PAs.

    Now that CC will start the season on the DL, I see Sweeney getting more action than he normally would, not Ross. Bobby may end up playing DMac in LF vs LHPs with Ross in RF, or of Iggy wins the SS job, we may see Aviles in LF. Either way, I see Sseeney as the odd man out in several scenarios. Since Ross hits LHPs great and RHPs pretty well, I see him as almost the regular RF'er (sitting vs tough righties).
     
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    [QUOTE]Ross will get a chance to play right away due to CC's injury, and with his straight pull power will, I believe, make quite an impression, Sweeney can handle RF fine... If CC was healthy, I had Ross playing RF vs all lefties and half the righties (maybe about 450 PAs) and Sweeney for about 250 PAs. Now that CC will start the season on the DL, I see Sweeney getting more action than he normally would, not Ross. Bobby may end up playing DMac in LF vs LHPs with Ross in RF, or of Iggy wins the SS job, we may see Aviles in LF. Either way, I see Sseeney as the odd man out in several scenarios. Since Ross hits LHPs great and RHPs pretty well, I see him as almost the regular RF'er (sitting vs tough righties).
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

     I didn't see it that way...I had Sweeney getting more AB's than Ross, and playing RF vs RH pitchers, CC getting almost all the AB's in LF regardless of whom was pitching, lefty or righty, due to his contract. Ross would start against  all lefties in RF. I can't see them playing Sweeney ahead of Crawford vs lefties, and I don't see Aviles playing the OF either, unless it is necessitated by injuries. Iggy will not win the starting job...they'll give him more time to season in Pawtucket.
     Since there are more RH pitchers than LH pitchers, Sweeney gains the advantage in playing time...unless or until Ross dominates Fenway's monster.
     I can't wait to see Ross, and having CC out is a blessing in disguise...the defense improves, the line-up gets more balance, and we have a deep ball threat, some of the bombs he hit in SF would have landed on the Mass Pike. He also hits a lot of balls right up the middle...there's no defense for that.
     That's my take.
     
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    A couple of thoughts.
    If Ross hits lefties, as expected, and Crawford struggles against them, as expected, Valentine could decide, on occasion, to play the player instead of the contract, with Aviles in right and Punto at SS.  ( This assumes that Iglesias will be in AAA. ) In that case, Valentine would have decided that Ross, Aviles, and Punto are a better bet than Crawford and Sweeney. I would not expect to see this arrangement on anything like a regular basis, but Valentine is the kind of manager who might go for it now and then. I just have a feeling that Tito was more committed to "Theo's contract" than Valentine will feel obliged to be. 
    Back to defense. A DP combination is like hand-and-glove. The players learn each other's habits, tendencies, and movements. All of this can be picked up fairly fast, but it still takes a while for it to become second nature and facilitate the split-second play. Fortunately, in Pedey the Sox have a master of his craft at one of the positions. That always helps the other man. In this case, however, the other man must first establish himself as an everyday shortstop who can make all the plays while he is teaming up with Pedey on the DP. By one means or other, by one player or another, the Sox need improved defense at SS. Maybe Aviles will provide it. But I, like Moon and ( I think ) Notin , among others, would like to see better than "adequate" defense at the position. Its value cannot be overestimated. Under Theo and Tito, the shortstop's bat carried heavy value. We'll have to see if Ben and Bobby subscribe to that theory.   
     
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    [QUOTE]moon here is an Alternate Timeline question for you:  If the MLB had expanded the Wild Card for the 2011 season and the Sox made the play-offs, got hot, and won the whole thing - keep in mind the September collapse is still a factor, A)  Did they really deserve it?  B)  Do we make sweeping changes all the same? I was going to start a thread on this but I think as it is time to move on I just wanted to pose it to you or the other few people that visit this thread regularly.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]
    Th ose are great questions Burrito. I think Theo was going no matter what happened; I think he really wanted to "run" his own team. If your scenario played out, I think Tito might have stayed but the issues would have come up just the same. I don't think we ever would have read about chicken, beer and Tito's "pill-popping"; that was all an ugly and unneccesary by-product of the collapse. But we were never going to pay Papelbon what Philly paid him, Wake and Tek would still have been a year older, (they could have retired as three time champs without any rancor and much less bashing on this board!), Lackey still would have needed surgery and we would have still had holes throughout the pitching staff. Now maybe the euphoria over a new title may have loosened John Henry's purse strings, but more likely it would have bought more patience from a fan base allowing them to get below the luxary tax line and do all the retooling they're doing anyway. So my bottom line is that everything Ben is doing was going to need to be done anyway, and I think he's gone about it the right way given the financial constraints. The proof, as always, will play out on the field.
     
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    moon here is an Alternate Timeline question for you:  If the MLB had expanded the Wild Card for the 2011 season and the Sox made the play-offs, got hot, and won the whole thing - keep in mind the September collapse is still a factor,

    A)  Did they really deserve it? 

    Might as well ask if St. Louis "deserved it". They had the same record as we did in the regular season, but are fortunate to play in the NL Central.

    B)  Do we make sweeping changes all the same?

    No, this is basically the same team as last year, except for Paps. We replaced Paps with 2 solid arms (Bailey & Melancon), so that keeps us close to the same... maybe a little worse performance, but more IP from the two of them compared to just Paps. The rest of the changes look minimal, but to me, they rae significant. We replaced some real horrible numbers with projects and question marks, and some decent players. I would have liked us to get a guy like Gavin Floyd, but I do think we are better than last year's team that failed due mostly to injuries.

    I was going to start a thread on this but I think as it is time to move on I just wanted to pose it to you or the other few people that visit this thread regularly.

    Any team that makes the playoffs has a chance to win it all. If they win, they deserve it, unless they won by a bad call or some incredibly lucky plays. The best regular season record does not "deserve" the ring.
     
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    [QUOTE]moon here is an Alternate Timeline question for you:  If the MLB had expanded the Wild Card for the 2011 season and the Sox made the play-offs, got hot, and won the whole thing - keep in mind the September collapse is still a factor, A)  Did they really deserve it?  B)  Do we make sweeping changes all the same? I was going to start a thread on this but I think as it is time to move on I just wanted to pose it to you or the other few people that visit this thread regularly.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    Yes, move on and tell the Globe to deep-six that Bob Hohler column that ruined the off-season for RSN.
     
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    Ross will get a chance to play right away due to CC's injury, and with his straight pull power will, I believe, make quite an impression, Sweeney can handle RF fine... If CC was healthy, I had Ross playing RF vs all lefties and half the righties (maybe about 450 PAs) and Sweeney for about 250 PAs. Now that CC will start the season on the DL, I see Sweeney getting more action than he normally would, not Ross. Bobby may end up playing DMac in LF vs LHPs with Ross in RF, or of Iggy wins the SS job, we may see Aviles in LF. Either way, I see Sseeney as the odd man out in several scenarios. Since Ross hits LHPs great and RHPs pretty well, I see him as almost the regular RF'er (sitting vs tough righties).
    Posted by moonslav59


     I didn't see it that way...I had Sweeney getting more AB's than Ross, and playing RF vs RH pitchers, CC getting almost all the AB's in LF regardless of whom was pitching, lefty or righty, due to his contract. Ross would start against  all lefties in RF. I can't see them playing Sweeney ahead of Crawford vs lefties, and I don't see Aviles playing the OF either, unless it is necessitated by injuries. Iggy will not win the starting job...they'll give him more time to season in Pawtucket. 
     Since there are more RH pitchers than LH pitchers, Sweeney gains the advantage in playing time...unless or until Ross dominates Fenway's monster. 
     I can't wait to see Ross, and having CC out is a blessing in disguise...the defense improves, the line-up gets more balance, and we have a deep ball threat, some of the bombs he hit in SF would have landed on the Mass Pike. He also hits a lot of balls right up the middle...there's no defense for that.
     That's my take.
      I don't see RF as being a straight L-R platoon. I don't think we pay Ross $3M for just 250 PAs (games with a lefty starting). Consider this:
    Career vs RHPs (per 650 PAs):
    Cody Ross: .253  18  73   (.313/.414/.727)
    Sweeney:  .283    7  74   (.352/.402/.754)
    I see Ross starting against maybe a third to a half of all righty starters. If you look at his splits vs NL righ-handed starters, he does very well vs a select few. Out of the top 43 RHPs by PAs against in the NL, Ross had an .800+ OPS vs 17 of them (or about 40%). He had a plus .900 OPS vs 11 out of 43 (about 1/4th) and plus .750 vs 21/43 (about half).  
    It will be hard to determine which AL starters he might hit well, but Bobby could try him vs righties that Sweeney historically has struggled against. While the sample sizes may be small, I think Bobby V can determine what types of righties Sweeney struggles with and what types Ross does well against. Sweeney's the better fielder, so if it is close, Sweeney should get the nod.
    Here's a list of Sweeney vs RHPs: (PAs)
    33 Felix   .554 (Not sure Ross could do any better here)
    29 Weaver .789
    24 Feldman 1.289
    24 Santana 1.538
    22 Lackey  .745
    21 Shields 1.150
    20 Burnett .876
    19 Millwood 1.062
    17 Padilla  1.262
    17 C Silva .647
    16 Carmona .321
    15 Bannister .533
    15 Blackburn .641
    14 Greinke  .368
    14 Hochevar  1.262
    14 Nippert  .305
    14 Wakefield .368
    13 Batista  .321
    13 M Cain  .641
    13 Dice-K  .538
    13 Porcello 1.434
    13 Galarraga 1.378
    13 Vazquez  .000
    12 Morrow  .533
    Others...
    12 Pineiro  .500
    11 C Lewis .545
    10 Verlander .400
    10 Snell  .200


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: A Realistic look at 2012: Part I : Th ose are great questions Burrito. I think Theo was going no matter what happened; I think he really wanted to "run" his own team. If your scenario played out, I think Tito might have stayed but the issues would have come up just the same. I don't think we ever would have read about chicken, beer and Tito's "pill-popping"; that was all an ugly and unneccesary by-product of the collapse. But we were never going to pay Papelbon what Philly paid him, Wake and Tek would still have been a year older, (they could have retired as three time champs without any rancor and much less bashing on this board!), Lackey still would have needed surgery and we would have still had holes throughout the pitching staff. Now maybe the euphoria over a new title may have loosened John Henry's purse strings, but more likely it would have bought more patience from a fan base allowing them to get below the luxary tax line and do all the retooling they're doing anyway. So my bottom line is that everything Ben is doing was going to need to be done anyway, and I think he's gone about it the right way given the financial constraints. The proof, as always, will play out on the field.
    Posted by jidgef[/QUOTE]


    I think you are right, and we would have one more ring!
     
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    A couple of thoughts.
    If Ross hits lefties, as expected, and Crawford struggles against them, as expected, Valentine could decide, on occasion, to play the player instead of the contract, with Aviles in right and Punto at SS.  ( This assumes that Iglesias will be in AAA. ) In that case, Valentine would have decided that Ross, Aviles, and Punto are a better bet than Crawford and Sweeney. I would not expect to see this arrangement on anything like a regular basis, but Valentine is the kind of manager who might go for it now and then. I just have a feeling that Tito was more committed to "Theo's contract" than Valentine will feel obliged to be. 

    Great points, ex, and I do think Bobby V is less likely to "play the contract" than Tito was, but I think if Aviles and Ross play in the OF (esp in Fenway), it might be Aviles in LF and Ross in RF. Also, Ross may play LF and Sweeney RF vs LHPs that CC struggles with or that Sweeney hits well (Remember, CC hits some LHPs very poorly, while maybe Sweeney hits them much better):
    Sweeney:
    18  Rowland-Smith .856
    14 Oliver  .786
    9  Tallet  .873
    6  Duensing 1.000
    6 R Romero 1.000
    5 D Price  1.000
    5 T Sipp   2.000
    4 Breslow 1.000

    Crawford vs selected lefties:
    25 D Braden  .510
    22 RRomero   .333
    21 J Danks     .524
    15 Liriano      .564
    15 Villone      .368
    12 Matusz      .083
    10 R Perez    .000
    10 D Price     .100
    10 Vargas     .100
    6  Duensing  .167

    Maybe just plan CC's days off with these guys in mind. (Also, if DMac is still on the team, he may blow away both CC and Sweeney vs some of these lefites.) He also plays LF OK. 



     
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    [QUOTE]A couple of thoughts. If Ross hits lefties, as expected, and Crawford struggles against them, as expected, Valentine could decide, on occasion, to play the player instead of the contract, with Aviles in right and Punto at SS.  ( This assumes that Iglesias will be in AAA. ) In that case, Valentine would have decided that Ross, Aviles, and Punto are a better bet than Crawford and Sweeney. I would not expect to see this arrangement on anything like a regular basis, but Valentine is the kind of manager who might go for it now and then. I just have a feeling that Tito was more committed to "Theo's contract" than Valentine will feel obliged to be.  Great points, ex, and I do think Bobby V is less likely to "play the contract" than Tito was, but I think if Aviles and Ross play in the OF (esp in Fenway), it might be Aviles in LF and Ross in RF. Also, Ross may play LF and Sweeney RF vs LHPs that CC struggles with or that Sweeney hits well (Remember, CC hits some LHPs very poorly, while maybe Sweeney hits them much better): Sweeney: 18  Rowland-Smith .856 14 Oliver  .786 9  Tallet  .873 6  Duensing 1.000 6 R Romero 1.000 5 D Price  1.000 5 T Sipp   2.000 4 Breslow 1.000 Crawford vs selected lefties: 25 D Braden  .510 22 RRomero   .333 21 J Danks     .524 15 Liriano      .564 15 Villone      .368 12 Matusz      .083 10 R Perez    .000 10 D Price     .100 10 Vargas     .100 6  Duensing  .167 Maybe just plan CC's days off with these guys in mind. (Also, if DMac is still on the team, he may blow away both CC and Sweeney vs some of these lefites.) He also plays LF OK. 
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]
    Good information. 

     
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    Buchholz's back was a stress fracture, not a muscle issue. He should be fine this year. And his arm should be stronger and ready for a 200 innings load. I say he's a monster this year. He's my pick for the key player on the roster. We all have our picks. Who knows what will happen but when a starter has a short season which was unrelated to an arm injury he statistically is more likely to come back very strong the next year. If a guy puts up 230 innings at his age and with his experience level, the next year is more often to be a down year. At least that's what I've read years ago.

    Call me crazy but I'm starting to think Iglesias might actually break with the club. Valentine did play Ordonez there for years. He does appear to place a high priority on SS defense. As expitch, Moon, I and others have mentioned repeatedly our left side defense is not at all ideal. SS range is still a huge problem with this team. I'm not projecting Iglesias at SS but it could happen. It's possible.

    Keeping Beltre was not such a bad option after all was it guys? The entire pitching staff benefited from Beltre's defense and RH hitting contributions. He was a key player for us.
     
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    Re: A Realistic look at 2012: Part I

    Buchholz's back was a stress fracture, not a muscle issue. He should be fine this year. And his arm should be stronger and ready for a 200 innings load. I say he's a monster this year. He's my pick for the key player on the roster. We all have our picks. Who knows what will happen but when a starter has a short season which was unrelated to an arm injury he statistically is more likely to come back very strong the next year. If a guy puts up 230 innings at his age and with his experience level, the next year is more often to be a down year. At least that's what I've read years ago.

    Boom, great point! Sounds like some optimism is creeping into your mind.

    Call me crazy but I'm starting to think Iglesias might actually break with the club. Valentine did play Ordonez there for years. He does appear to place a high priority on SS defense. As expitch, Moon, I and others have mentioned repeatedly our left side defense is not at all ideal. SS range is still a huge problem with this team. I'm not projecting Iglesias at SS but it could happen. It's possible.

    As you know, I'd love Iggy as our FT SS Opening Day. I'm even OK with him hitting .190 to July and maybe ending up at .210. (An OBP of over about .290 is actually more important.) His glove and range will more than take away as many hits as he lacks on offense. Plus, it makes our Bench pretty potent with Aviles, Sweeney, Punto and Shoppach.

    Keeping Beltre was not such a bad option after all was it guys? The entire pitching staff benefited from Beltre's defense and RH hitting contributions. He was a key player for us.

    Boom, I weighed in on the side of AGon over Beltre, but most of us who did realized that in the short term the Beltre choice might be better. Let's talk again in 4 years. The real choice would have been to sign Beltre and trade for AGon. Move Youk to DH and let Papi walk last winter. From what Papi's making now, we could have broken even moneywise and had a great defensive team this year with Beltre-Iggy -Pedey-AGon in the IF. We'd have that big RH'd bat to complement youk, and Youk might stay healthier by not crashing around the IF.
     
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    Re: A Realistic look at 2012: Part I

    Moon, I have also been on the Iglesias bandwagon for some time, comparing him to a Mark Belanger type. He's still the best shortstop I've ever seen. I also mentioned Vizquel and Ozzie Smith, both of whom learned to hit at the ML level, so there is precedent. More recently, Andrus made the jump in Texas and has learned to hit at the MLB level. He wouldn't have to mash, as you said, just low .200's and an OPB of close to .300. We've got plenty of firepower to hit for him when situations dictate, and I think we have a manager who will use greater roster flexibility.
     

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