A Realistic Look at 2012: Part III

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    In response to RedsoxProspects' comment:

    Moon, I did it quickly but overall I looked at it as a list of not just the quality of players but how important they were to building a winning team. Years of control and basically trade value if we are in rebuilding mode. On a different team, say the Rays or Texas, the list might have been very different. It is looking recently like Lavarnway is tanking but his numbers have been great at every other level and as a catcher he doesn't need to hit higher than .260 to be a god value. Most would probably rank him lower.

    Buchholz and Pedey are foundational type guys under several more years of control. I like Buchholz's stuff and potential to still be a #1 and the years of control. Pedey is a winner and excellent roll model on the team. Puts up good numbers both offensively and defensively. Several more years of control but mainly a foundational player. See notes below on the rest: 

    1) Buchholtz 
    2) Pedey
    3) Bogaerts 
      ( he might actually stick at SS and be a middle of the order bat. Only 19 still )
    4)  Middlebrooks ( premium position and potentially good defensively. Possible 30 HR bat at 3rd)
    5) Lester  ( reasonable control and years of control. Need pitching badly )
    6) de la Rosa 
     ( Some might project him as our #1 prospect and we need great pitching )
    7) Doubront ( Showed real value as a starter. Might continue to improve with more stamina )
     8 ) Barnes  ( Great pitching prospect. Again, my premium is starting pitching )
    9)  Lavarnway ( Premium position prospect, possible middle of the order bat )
     10 ) Bradley ( great prospect but little pop. Tools not great but close to mlb. 3 years older than Bogaerts at the same level and with fewer tools. )
    11)Cechinni  ( 51 sb, solid average and bat, improving fielder at premium position )
    12) Swihart ( great athlete. My gut tells me still possibly our best prospect long term + premium positional value. Better defensive potential than originally projected )

    13) Morales ( He has put up good numbers this year and he is a pitcher, good contract value )

    14) Tazawa ( great numbers but still probably a reliever )
    15) Webster 
      ( another pitching prospect with potential. Premium on starting pitching and years of controlability )




    Nice take. I guess I don't see as much upside in Doubront as you though, and maybe I am falling for all the Bradley hype as well.

    Thanks.
     
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    Bump beyond smelly
     
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    My playoff picks.   :)

    AL East: Rays
    AL Central: Tigers
    AL West: Rangers

    Wild Card: O's and Angels

    __________________________

    NL East: Nationals
    NL Central: Reds
    NL West: Giants

    Wild Card: Cardinals and Braves


    World Series: Rangers vs. Braves 

    The Rangers will finally win a World Series and they will salute Chipper Jones as he retires. 



     
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    Re: A Realistic Look at 2012: Part III

    1) Bradley    
    2) Bogaerts    
    3) Barnes    
    4) Buchholtz    
    5) Middlebrooks  
    6) Brentz    
    7) Lester    
    8) Pedey    
    9) Morales    
    10) de la Rosa
    11) Webster 
      
    12) Lava    
    13) Swihart    
    14) Owens     
    15) Cecchini/T. Shaw

    I dropped some players on the above list because of duplicity at some positions, and I raised other players due to more years of team control and/or low cost. Here's a more accurate list of my top 15 "Keeper List":

    1) Buchholtz
    2) Middlebrooks
    3) Pedey
    4) Bogaerts
    5) Bradley
    6) Lester
    7) de la Rosa
    8) Barnes
    9) Morales
    10) Cecchini
    11) Webster
    12) Brentz
    13) Lava
    14) Shaw
    15) Swihart
     
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    Re: A Realistic Look at 2012: Part III

    My playoff picks.   :) 

    AL East: Rays                O's
    AL Central: Tigers        CWS
    AL West: Rangers        TX

    Wild Card: O's and Angels   Rays & NYY  (Rays win play-in)

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    NL East: Nationals   Nats
    NL Central: Reds     Reds
    NL West: Giants       SF

    Wild Card: Cardinals and Braves   LAD & STL (StL wins play-in)


    World Series: Rangers vs. Braves  SF beats the Rays.

    Chipper watches from TV.


     
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    Re: A Realistic Look at 2012: Part III

    Points of reference:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-five-worst-modern-red-sox-seasons/
     
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    Re: A Realistic Look at 2012: Part III

    hill55, I have always respected your views and think you often give a more objective view than most Sox fans when it comes to valuing our own prospects. I'm curious to your thoughts on de la Rosa, Webster and Sands, and then maybe you idea of who our best 10 prospcts are.
     
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    I started the 2013 thread....see you there.
     
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    bump past the idiot
     
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