A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?

     
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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.

     
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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.




    Well, the most valuable of the bunch is Morales.

     
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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.




    Well, the most valuable of the bunch is Morales.




    Morales will likely see some time in the rotation. If I were Ben I might try to package Ellsbury, one of Breslow or Miller and Salty and see if we could get Cingrani, Corcino and Robert Stephenson from the Reds.

     
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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.




    Well, the most valuable of the bunch is Morales.




    Morales will likely see some time in the rotation. If I were Ben I might try to package Ellsbury, one of Breslow or Miller and Salty and see if we could get Cingrani, Corcino and Robert Stephenson from the Reds.




    Yeah, we'd both like one or two of Cinci's pitching prospects. Id rather Miller go. Breslow, for a LHP, has good splits with LH and RHH. Morales would bring us the best return because of his flexability in the rotation or the pen. Miller still has good value as a hard throwing LHP specialist.

     

     
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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.




    Well, the most valuable of the bunch is Morales.




    Morales will likely see some time in the rotation. If I were Ben I might try to package Ellsbury, one of Breslow or Miller and Salty and see if we could get Cingrani, Corcino and Robert Stephenson from the Reds.




    Yeah, we'd both like one or two of Cinci's pitching prospects. Id rather Miller go. Breslow, for a LHP, has good splits with LH and RHH. Morales would bring us the best return because of his flexability in the rotation or the pen. Miller still has good value as a hard throwing LHP specialist.

     




    I'm greedy. I want Cincinatti's top three pitching prospects. :-) I'd ask for Hamilton too, but everyone knows about him now.

     
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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.




    Well, the most valuable of the bunch is Morales.




    Morales will likely see some time in the rotation. If I were Ben I might try to package Ellsbury, one of Breslow or Miller and Salty and see if we could get Cingrani, Corcino and Robert Stephenson from the Reds.




    Yeah, we'd both like one or two of Cinci's pitching prospects. Id rather Miller go. Breslow, for a LHP, has good splits with LH and RHH. Morales would bring us the best return because of his flexability in the rotation or the pen. Miller still has good value as a hard throwing LHP specialist.

     




    I'm greedy. I want Cincinatti's top three pitching prospects. :-) I'd ask for Hamilton too, but everyone knows about him now.




    Id like to go after Garrett Jones in the Hanrahan deal. Even if we sign Naps, Jones can play 1b and OF. Hed be a good LHH to platoon with Gomes and spell Victorino. Also can play 1b when/if Naps catches, gets hurt, or just needs a day off.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    It doesn't look like we are in the "pick up some prospects" mode, sadly.

    I think we may be after G Jones for the reasons southpaw mentioned.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    I really like a Jones/Gomes platoon.  Just look at their statlines (Jones vs RHP, Gomes vs LHP)

    Jones: .289/.332/.556 25 HR 76 RBI in 434 PA

    Gomes: .299/.413/.561 11 HR 26 RBI in 196 PA

    Obviously, Jones will hit a few Lefties, and Gomes some righties, but this platoon has got serious offensive potential, if healthy.  Much more production than Swisher or Ross a similar to slightly lower price.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    How about this for a lineup in 2013

    Ellsbury cf

    Victorino rf

    Pedroia 2b

    Ortiz dh

    Middlebrooks 3b

    Garrett Jones 1b - comes over in the Hanrahan trade

    Salty/Ross c

    Gomes lf

    Drew ss

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.




    Well, the most valuable of the bunch is Morales.




    Morales will likely see some time in the rotation. If I were Ben I might try to package Ellsbury, one of Breslow or Miller and Salty and see if we could get Cingrani, Corcino and Robert Stephenson from the Reds.




    Yeah, we'd both like one or two of Cinci's pitching prospects. Id rather Miller go. Breslow, for a LHP, has good splits with LH and RHH. Morales would bring us the best return because of his flexability in the rotation or the pen. Miller still has good value as a hard throwing LHP specialist.

     




    I'm greedy. I want Cincinatti's top three pitching prospects. :-) I'd ask for Hamilton too, but everyone knows about him now.




    Id like to go after Garrett Jones in the Hanrahan deal. Even if we sign Naps, Jones can play 1b and OF. Hed be a good LHH to platoon with Gomes and spell Victorino. Also can play 1b when/if Naps catches, gets hurt, or just needs a day off.



    How did this go from the bullpen depth to Garrett Jones in one post? Is the order mixed up?

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.




    Well, the most valuable of the bunch is Morales.




    Morales will likely see some time in the rotation. If I were Ben I might try to package Ellsbury, one of Breslow or Miller and Salty and see if we could get Cingrani, Corcino and Robert Stephenson from the Reds.




    Yeah, we'd both like one or two of Cinci's pitching prospects. Id rather Miller go. Breslow, for a LHP, has good splits with LH and RHH. Morales would bring us the best return because of his flexability in the rotation or the pen. Miller still has good value as a hard throwing LHP specialist.

     




    I'm greedy. I want Cincinatti's top three pitching prospects. :-) I'd ask for Hamilton too, but everyone knows about him now.




    Id like to go after Garrett Jones in the Hanrahan deal. Even if we sign Naps, Jones can play 1b and OF. Hed be a good LHH to platoon with Gomes and spell Victorino. Also can play 1b when/if Naps catches, gets hurt, or just needs a day off.



    How did this go from the bullpen depth to Garrett Jones in one post? Is the order mixed up?




    The Hanrahan talk was the bridge to the Jones talk. Tying to acquire him in the Hanrahan trade since we need someone who is LH to platoon the OF and 1b.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    I think having Jones as a platoon for LF or 1B (no Naps) would help us in 2013, but not nearly enough to make us serious contenders, so I'm not sure about giving up any legitimate prospects for a short-term partial fix.

     
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    Let's hope so.




    If Bailey can avoid another freak injury we could have maybe the best bullpen in MLB. Tazawa, Miller, Hanrahan, Uewahara (sp?), Mortenson, Aceves, Morales, Breslow, Bard, Melancon and Bailey. There's a trade there just waiting to happen.




    We still have 3 LHP in there. Are we going to stick with 3?




    I wouldn't think so. I would think a deal would be in the works.




    Well, the most valuable of the bunch is Morales.




    Morales will likely see some time in the rotation. If I were Ben I might try to package Ellsbury, one of Breslow or Miller and Salty and see if we could get Cingrani, Corcino and Robert Stephenson from the Reds.




    Yeah, we'd both like one or two of Cinci's pitching prospects. Id rather Miller go. Breslow, for a LHP, has good splits with LH and RHH. Morales would bring us the best return because of his flexability in the rotation or the pen. Miller still has good value as a hard throwing LHP specialist.

     




    I'm greedy. I want Cincinatti's top three pitching prospects. :-) I'd ask for Hamilton too, but everyone knows about him now.




    Id like to go after Garrett Jones in the Hanrahan deal. Even if we sign Naps, Jones can play 1b and OF. Hed be a good LHH to platoon with Gomes and spell Victorino. Also can play 1b when/if Naps catches, gets hurt, or just needs a day off.



    How did this go from the bullpen depth to Garrett Jones in one post? Is the order mixed up?



    The key thing on Naps is that with his hip problem he is not going to be able to catch.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

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    I think having Jones as a platoon for LF or 1B (no Naps) would help us in 2013, but not nearly enough to make us serious contenders, so I'm not sure about giving up any legitimate prospects for a short-term partial fix.




    Kalish, Sands, Pimentel and Melancon would do it I think and be fair to both sides. Jones still has 3 years of control left.

     
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    I think having Jones as a platoon for LF or 1B (no Naps) would help us in 2013, but not nearly enough to make us serious contenders, so I'm not sure about giving up any legitimate prospects for a short-term partial fix.




    Kalish, Sands, Pimentel and Melancon would do it I think and be fair to both sides. Jones still has 3 years of control left.




    Wonder if they will spend the Naps money on a pitcher (Marcum?).

     
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    Wonder if they will spend the Naps money on a pitcher (Marcum?).



    Personally I doubt that.  I think the point of the Napoli signing was the need for a middle-of-the-lineup first baseman.  If Napoli falls through I would expect they bid for LaRoche if he's still available.  If LaRoche signs with Nats I guess they try to trade with them for Morse? 

     
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    Wonder if they will spend the Naps money on a pitcher (Marcum?).



    Personally I doubt that.  I think the point of the Napoli signing was the need for a middle-of-the-lineup first baseman.  If Napoli falls through I would expect they bid for LaRoche if he's still available.  If LaRoche signs with Nats I guess they try to trade with them for Morse? 




    Agreed, but Morse is cheaper than Naps moneywise, so there could be money "leftover"...

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    Agreed with Hf, Sox have a gaping hole at 1B, and just dealt away Jerry Sands.  If they weren't confident about sealing the Napoli deal, or signing Adam LaRoche (who, if not for the draft pick thing, I think would be a better option than Napoli), i doubt they would have given up their top internal option to fill the void at 1B.

    If Naps doesn't sign, his money is likely going to sign LaRoche.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

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    Agreed with Hf, Sox have a gaping hole at 1B, and just dealt away Jerry Sands.  If they weren't confident about sealing the Napoli deal, or signing Adam LaRoche (who, if not for the draft pick thing, I think would be a better option than Napoli), i doubt they would have given up their top internal option to fill the void at 1B.

    If Naps doesn't sign, his money is likely going to sign LaRoche.



    i'm not sure if Sands was ever an option to man 1B this season...

     
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    Agreed with Hf, Sox have a gaping hole at 1B, and just dealt away Jerry Sands.  If they weren't confident about sealing the Napoli deal, or signing Adam LaRoche (who, if not for the draft pick thing, I think would be a better option than Napoli), i doubt they would have given up their top internal option to fill the void at 1B.

    If Naps doesn't sign, his money is likely going to sign LaRoche.



    i'm not sure if Sands was ever an option to man 1B this season...



    I agree, but neither was Mauro or Loney.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    INTERESTING DATA ON BUCHHOLZ'S 2012 SEASON:

     

    http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/clay-buchholz-dive-into-the-splits/

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    We are piecing together a new team with all these moves, and a new team culture. Are these guys winners? One would think maybe.

    Letting Melancon go cheap might just be another way of cleaning house. Got to give Cherington credit for at least trying to change team culture. If a guy just isn't a positive influence in the clubhouse that can be reason enough to move him. Are you listening Aceves? How the heck are you still on the roster? They have got to be trying to move him, with all these reliever deals in place.

    It seems to me that the Victorino move was at least in part a culture move. That guy has energy and is a positive spirit. Let's hope he can still play also. That's a lot of moolah for a culture move but if we drill down this if a guy who can maybe move Ellsbury to the 3 slot, at least part of the time, where possibly he is a better fit for this team going forward. Victorino is a great base runner who can put up decent doubles and triples power in Fenway I would think. And might be least a terrific platoon player near the top of the lineup. No way he looks to be worth $39 mil but at least he is a positive guy and an exciting player to watch. Somewhat overpaid but he should help us nonetheless.

    Some of what just happened with Hanrahanwas simply dealing with the lack of roster spots on the 40 man. We had an excess of players and we tried to upgrade the quality of those remaining.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    O'm not sold on Tazawa being only a reliever going into 2013. Are we really going to rely on Morales and a minor league knuckleball guy for starter depth? I mean really? NWIH. Either they sign yet another starter or someone like Tazawa and / or De LA Rosa gets slotted as starter depth. Almost a no brainer at this point.

    At least on paper De La Rosa looks to be a real decent option there.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    I doubt Melancon was someone we needed to "clean out" to change the culture. He was barely here to begin with.

    As for starter depth, we probably have better 5-6-7 starters than most teams. What we lack is a number 1 and 2 that are clearly better than the rest. If we had gotten one, the rest of our rotation would have been knocked down a notch making us strong and deep at the middle and bottom of our rotation.

     
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