Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I
posted at 11/25/2012 11:45 PM EST
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
Well, even with all the trades of prospects, we'd still have Bradley, Barnes, Webster & de la Rosa.
That would be great. Bradley, .271 , with 6 homers at AA. Barnes , 5-5 , 3.58 ERA in high A. Plus two Dodger rejects. That sounds like a great plan. Who needs Hamilton or Greinke or Napoli or Swisher ? We have a great future with the " kids ."
JBJ was making the transition to AA, it was only half a season all while dealing with an ankle injury. theres usually a learning curve. He still kept a high OBP at .373, which is the main thing as a leadoff hitter. he was never known for power, so your negative outlook with 6 HR is void and null.
If were going to look at the second half moving to AA and dealing with the usual learning curve, we should now look at his High A salem numbers... .359AVG .480OBP .526SLG in 67 games. His K/BB ratio is outstanding, hes an above average solid defender with a strong arm. He gets on base and is a patient hitter, but you keep cherry picking stats that make him look bad.
Barnes went 7-5 between Greenville and salem with a .2.86 ERA 119.2IP with 97H 29BB 133K 1.05 WHIP. you site W-L for pitchers and BA for hitters as the end all be all which doesnt even come close to telling the whole story, but that wouldnt help what your trying to acomplish. Besides, most pitching prospects dont pitch like MLB pitchers as they are working on certain pitches and stamina. Almost like an MLB pitcher in ST. One day he works on his cutter, then the change, etc., etc., all while making sure the mechanics are in order.
Felix Hernandez won a Cy Young with a 13-12 record because although the W-L didnt look good they realized that he had no run support and lost a lot of 2-1, 1-0, 3-2 games with him pitching. Thats why most baseball people dont rely too much on W-L when other stats tell the true story.
Oh, and the 2 dodger rejects who were ranked in their top 5 prospect list? Rubby had TJS which is why he wasnt this year, but was #3 in 2011...
We can try to twist things and rationalize everything. What are the chances that Bradley will ever be close to Hamilton as a player ? What are the chances that Barnes will ever be close to Greinke as a pitcher? The Dodgers took a ton of contracts off our hands. Why would they give back anything of value ? If they had any regard for Webster or de la Rosa , they would not have included them in the deal. It surely would not have been a deal breaker. Let's not grasp at straws here. We finished in the cellar , with 93 losses. We need some major upgrades. If you want to just defend Cherington , and settle for some more futility , while waiting for the " kids " to save the day, go right ahead. There will always be another crop of prospects to come along.
You obviously have not read all my posts on this subject throughout this forum.
I have no issue with hamilton as long as its a 3-4 year deal. There no way The Sox should give him what hes asking right now, or any team for that matter. It would put the Sox in the same boat they were just in. Greinke is NOT A GOOD FIT. Have you read his interviews? The whole SI thing? He wants a high profile contract and stay low profile. Boston is NOT the place to do that. I dont care what hes done over the years. A bad fit is a bad fit.
Ive never said to completely rely on prospects. Im a firm believer of bringing up talent from the farm, mixed with FA to fill holes and a smart trade when it presents itself. I dont believe in long FA contracts. Theres always the exception to the rule (Manny) but for the most part stay within 1-4 years depending on player, age, production the last 3 years, and need.
Theres no need to make our prospects look bad when you can just say what you just said. JBJ is not Hamilton as he has a different skillset. Barnes could very well do what Greinke does. We'll just have to wait and see with him. He certainly has all the tools to do it and has looked impressive so far. Ill wait to see how he does in a full year at AA though before making any predictions on him.
Im certainly not grasping at straws with webster and Rubby. I stated facts. They were both top 5 prospects in their system. The LAD wanted Gonzo very badly and even went as far as to take CC and Beckett from us. BC asked for more and got it. I would hardly call top 5 prospects rejects in any organization.
Im not just sticking up for BC. If he does something I dont agree with, Ill say it. I have before. I wait til things are completed before I start forming opinions. I need everything in place before evaluating the job hes done. I dont get too high or too low with each move. Ill wait to see what the team looks like during ST. Personally, I liked the 2 moves so far. I think they will sign napoli as well. If hamilton come down on years, I think the Sox will be involved.