A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

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    Boras said the Sox and him will sit down and talk extension in January.

     
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    He won't be back here.

    I'll give 20:1 odds.

     
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    Boras said the Sox and him will sit down and talk extension in January.



    Cherington: "3 years, $39 million is my offer."

    Boras: "I was thinking, 7 years, $150 million." "I miss my talks with your mentor, Theo Epstein."


    Cherington: "Four-letter-F-word" you." 


    LOL

     

     

     

     

     
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    Boras said the Sox and him will sit down and talk extension in January.




    he didn't say extension. he said contract (most likely talking about the value of his arbitration).


    i really hope it turns into an extension BUT i don't wanna get my hopes up and start crying again LOL

     
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    If we are spending all of this on offense and nothing on pitching, I'm totally giving up on Ben.



    this is what I'm talking about. Spending bad money after bad.

     
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    If we are spending all of this on offense and nothing on pitching, I'm totally giving up on Ben.



    this is what I'm talking about. Spending bad money after bad.



    I wasn't for spending all this "bad money" in the first place, but my point was that if we are spending bad money, it should have been for pitching- not aging OF'ers.

     
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    Iamme17, I'm not hard opposed to what the RS are doing. I'm willing to wait and see and support.  But I would offer this for discussion:  instead of offering three or four average positional players too much money over three years, why not go for two young studs who already have major league experience and potential and who will be part of winning in 2014 and beyond?  My choice would be one pitcher (like McCarthy) and one position player (like Alex Gordon).  I wasn't counting someone like Lava coming up from the minors as my young stud.  Add your regulars like Pedey and Papi, and then bring up several guys like Lava, plug them in, and let them grow.  An argument could be made that your best young players would improve with the top level of coaching vs. the best competition.  People like Pedey, Ells, etc. did pretty well when they came up.  I think the RS tend to keep their guys down longer than most but I get it when their big club looks like it did at the beginning of last year--but not when it looks like the end of last  year.  Someone like Gomes might look better at the beginning of the year, but someone like Lava might look better at the end and that might be better for the future of the franchise.  I'm not hating what they're doing, but I'm a little blah about it...

     
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    Moon, I'm pretty perplexed about the pitching.  I could easily see them getting 12 wins from Lackey,  I like the idea of Aceves being back in his former role, and as others here suggest, some guys like Doobie could grow a little.  I think their BP will be ok, especially if Bard comes back strong.  Much of the above might be aided by the return of the head coach.  But I was sure they would go for one solid starter and think that would help the whole staff.  I think I like the idea of Dickey.  To this point it would be hard to say the emphasis has been on pitching.

     
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    Moon, I'm pretty perplexed about the pitching.  I could easily see them getting 12 wins from Lackey,  I like the idea of Aceves being back in his former role, and as others here suggest, some guys like Doobie could grow a little.  I think their BP will be ok, especially if Bard comes back strong.  Much of the above might be aided by the return of the head coach.  But I was sure they would go for one solid starter and think that would help the whole staff.  I think I like the idea of Dickey.  To this point it would be hard to say the emphasis has been on pitching.




    but what other teams have had an emphasis on pitching this offseason? only 3 pitchers have been signed and 2 were traded.  there is still a plethora of pitching talent out there waiting for grienke to set the market. once that happens the rest of the dominoes will fall very quickly. it was smart of ben to get the position players out of the way so when the pitching market does pickup he can apply his undivided attention to it and get the best guy for the job.

     
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    Moon, I'm pretty perplexed about the pitching.  I could easily see them getting 12 wins from Lackey,  I like the idea of Aceves being back in his former role, and as others here suggest, some guys like Doobie could grow a little.  I think their BP will be ok, especially if Bard comes back strong.  Much of the above might be aided by the return of the head coach.  But I was sure they would go for one solid starter and think that would help the whole staff.  I think I like the idea of Dickey.  To this point it would be hard to say the emphasis has been on pitching.




    but what other teams have had an emphasis on pitching this offseason? only 3 pitchers have been signed and 2 were traded.  there is still a plethora of pitching talent out there waiting for grienke to set the market. once that happens the rest of the dominoes will fall very quickly. it was smart of ben to get the position players out of the way so when the pitching market does pickup he can apply his undivided attention to it and get the best guy for the job.



    I have not made any definitive judgements on ben's overall offseason moves. A lot depends on what he does to build up our staff for the mid/longterm.

    I'm against the SV signing, wont complain about the Nap, Gomes & Ross signings though I would not have paid that much.

     
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    Moon, I'm pretty perplexed about the pitching.  I could easily see them getting 12 wins from Lackey,  I like the idea of Aceves being back in his former role, and as others here suggest, some guys like Doobie could grow a little.  I think their BP will be ok, especially if Bard comes back strong.  Much of the above might be aided by the return of the head coach.  But I was sure they would go for one solid starter and think that would help the whole staff.  I think I like the idea of Dickey.  To this point it would be hard to say the emphasis has been on pitching.




    but what other teams have had an emphasis on pitching this offseason? only 3 pitchers have been signed and 2 were traded.  there is still a plethora of pitching talent out there waiting for grienke to set the market. once that happens the rest of the dominoes will fall very quickly. it was smart of ben to get the position players out of the way so when the pitching market does pickup he can apply his undivided attention to it and get the best guy for the job.



    I have not made any definitive judgements on ben's overall offseason moves. A lot depends on what he does to build up our staff for the mid/longterm.

    I'm against the SV signing, wont complain about the Nap, Gomes & Ross signings though I would not have paid that much.




    maybe we overpaid a bit much for SV but hey, at least we didnt give BJ Upton 15 per for 5 freaking years!!

     
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    Moon, I'm pretty perplexed about the pitching.  I could easily see them getting 12 wins from Lackey,  I like the idea of Aceves being back in his former role, and as others here suggest, some guys like Doobie could grow a little.  I think their BP will be ok, especially if Bard comes back strong.  Much of the above might be aided by the return of the head coach.  But I was sure they would go for one solid starter and think that would help the whole staff.  I think I like the idea of Dickey.  To this point it would be hard to say the emphasis has been on pitching.




    but what other teams have had an emphasis on pitching this offseason? only 3 pitchers have been signed and 2 were traded.  there is still a plethora of pitching talent out there waiting for grienke to set the market. once that happens the rest of the dominoes will fall very quickly. it was smart of ben to get the position players out of the way so when the pitching market does pickup he can apply his undivided attention to it and get the best guy for the job.



    I have not made any definitive judgements on ben's overall offseason moves. A lot depends on what he does to build up our staff for the mid/longterm.

    I'm against the SV signing, wont complain about the Nap, Gomes & Ross signings though I would not have paid that much.




    maybe we overpaid a bit much for SV but hey, at least we didnt give BJ Upton 15 per for 5 freaking years!!



    I'd have paid Angel Pagan $41M/4 rather than SV $39M/3. If it took $42 or 43M to get pagan here, I'd have prefered that to SV. H3LL! I'd rather have Pagan than Gomes and SV combined, even if both cost the same.

     
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    Moon, I'm pretty perplexed about the pitching.  I could easily see them getting 12 wins from Lackey,  I like the idea of Aceves being back in his former role, and as others here suggest, some guys like Doobie could grow a little.  I think their BP will be ok, especially if Bard comes back strong.  Much of the above might be aided by the return of the head coach.  But I was sure they would go for one solid starter and think that would help the whole staff.  I think I like the idea of Dickey.  To this point it would be hard to say the emphasis has been on pitching.




    but what other teams have had an emphasis on pitching this offseason? only 3 pitchers have been signed and 2 were traded.  there is still a plethora of pitching talent out there waiting for grienke to set the market. once that happens the rest of the dominoes will fall very quickly. it was smart of ben to get the position players out of the way so when the pitching market does pickup he can apply his undivided attention to it and get the best guy for the job.



    I have not made any definitive judgements on ben's overall offseason moves. A lot depends on what he does to build up our staff for the mid/longterm.

    I'm against the SV signing, wont complain about the Nap, Gomes & Ross signings though I would not have paid that much.




    maybe we overpaid a bit much for SV but hey, at least we didnt give BJ Upton 15 per for 5 freaking years!!



    I'd have paid Angel Pagan $41M/4 rather than SV $39M/3. If it took $42 or 43M to get pagan here, I'd have prefered that to SV. H3LL! I'd rather have Pagan than Gomes and SV combined, even if both cost the same.




    not sure if pagan would want to come here to play RF anyway. we have jacoby and JBJ for the forseeable future

     
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    Trade Jacoby.

    JBJ is just a prospect. If he turns out to be the real deal, we can find room for both of them or trade one.

     
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    Re: A Realistic Look At 2013: Part I

    The Phillies have acquired Michael Young from the Rangers according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter links). Young will receive $1.2MM in benefits in exchange for waiving his no-trade clause, but Nightengale says he told the Phillies he did not want an extension (Twitter links). The $1.2MM accounts for the state tax difference.

    The Rangers have agreed to pay $10MM of the $16MM owed to Young next season according to Nightengale (on Twitter). Earlier today Evan Grant of The Dallas Morning News reported that Josh Lindblom and minor leaguer Lisalverto Bonilla would head to Texas in the trade, which MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan has confirmed. An announced is expected this afternoon.


    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#Yj3M4r7OLurVhOfQ.99 

     

     

     
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    Michael Young for a cost of only $6M/yr.

    Ludwick for $15M/2 to the Reds.

     
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    I wonder what comes next for Ben.

    He needs to get the solid SP pick-up right.

     
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    I hope Cherington signs Marcum.  But I have a feeling that he won't. 

    I heard that the Dodgers are closing in on a 6-year, $147 million deal with Greinke.  *shaking my head*

     
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    Perhaps we should have a thread that says Realistic Look at the Future.

    According to BB sources, FOX is about to sign a deal with the Dodgers at $6-7B for their TV rights. That is $240M/year. The Rangers have negotiated a similar deal to start the year after next. The Dodgers will blow right through the payroll tax limit at this point.

    The Yankees always turn a profit, so after they control their payroll for a year, I expect that they will be bidding up players again. How will the Red Sox and NESN fare? It costs money to keep NESN going, while a huge contract from FOX costs nothing to maintain infrastructure. Will RS invest NESN profits in players?

    Contracts will get even crazier because the money is there. Stanton will come up for free agency in a few years and make 7/210 easily. We already talked about 3/90 for Hamilton!!

    Problem is that I can't fault the Dodgers for investing in their team. At least the management realizes that they are in a big market and are willing to field the best team possible. Better than the Marlin philosophy.....

     
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    In response to 808soxfan's comment:

    Perhaps we should have a thread that says Realistic Look at the Future.

    According to BB sources, FOX is about to sign a deal with the Dodgers at $6-7B for their TV rights. That is $240M/year. The Rangers have negotiated a similar deal to start the year after next. The Dodgers will blow right through the payroll tax limit at this point.

    The Yankees always turn a profit, so after they control their payroll for a year, I expect that they will be bidding up players again. How will the Red Sox and NESN fare? It costs money to keep NESN going, while a huge contract from FOX costs nothing to maintain infrastructure. Will RS invest NESN profits in players?

    Contracts will get even crazier because the money is there. Stanton will come up for free agency in a few years and make 7/210 easily. We already talked about 3/90 for Hamilton!!

    Problem is that I can't fault the Dodgers for investing in their team. At least the management realizes that they are in a big market and are willing to field the best team possible. Better than the Marlin philosophy.....



    It certainly looks like the direction of MLB is changing big time. It's hard to imagine the Sox not being able to keep up.

     

     
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    Is this the only thread that Mike Farmer can complete a sentence on?



    Who is Mike Farmer?

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to 808soxfan's comment:

    Perhaps we should have a thread that says Realistic Look at the Future.

    According to BB sources, FOX is about to sign a deal with the Dodgers at $6-7B for their TV rights. That is $240M/year. The Rangers have negotiated a similar deal to start the year after next. The Dodgers will blow right through the payroll tax limit at this point.

    The Yankees always turn a profit, so after they control their payroll for a year, I expect that they will be bidding up players again. How will the Red Sox and NESN fare? It costs money to keep NESN going, while a huge contract from FOX costs nothing to maintain infrastructure. Will RS invest NESN profits in players?

    Contracts will get even crazier because the money is there. Stanton will come up for free agency in a few years and make 7/210 easily. We already talked about 3/90 for Hamilton!!

    Problem is that I can't fault the Dodgers for investing in their team. At least the management realizes that they are in a big market and are willing to field the best team possible. Better than the Marlin philosophy.....



    It certainly looks like the direction of MLB is changing big time. It's hard to imagine the Sox not being able to keep up.

     



    probably, henry and co are smart people.

     
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    The Dodgers own their parking lot also if I remember correctly. And it's huge. They probably make 4-5 times as much on their parking revenues as the Rays make in admission tickets. It's a game changer.

    I really think the RS are kust trying to put some kind of competitive team on the field in 2013 and hold onto their fan base until 2014 / 2015 when the cavalry arrives in Bogaerts , Bradley...etc.

    They DO NOT want to be 15 games out at the all star break. It's real bad for business. 

    They will sign Sanchez IMO. Even if it costs over $90 mil. That's about it though I think. It of course could be a different starting pitcher but I think that shoe drops in the next week or so.

     
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    The Dodgers own their parking lot also if I remember correctly. And it's huge. They probably make 4-5 times as much on their parking revenues as the Rays make in admission tickets. It's a game changer.

    I really think the RS are kust trying to put some kind of competitive team on the field in 2013 and hold onto their fan base until 2014 / 2015 when the cavalry arrives in Bogaerts , Bradley...etc.

    They DO NOT want to be 15 games out at the all star break. It's real bad for business. 

    They will sign Sanchez IMO. Even if it costs over $90 mil. That's about it though I think. It of course could be a different starting pitcher but I think that shoe drops in the next week or so.



    I could see that happening. I like Sanchez, but would not go over $64M/4, unleSS WITH INCENTIVES.

     
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