Re: A realistic look at Bobby V as the Sox manager
posted at 8/7/2012 3:50 PM EDT
In Response to Re: A realistic look at Bobby V as the Sox manager
max, as usual reaching. Did I ever say these guys did it on purpose? Nope. It happens. So you move on, and you get another leader in there who can motivate the guys to do well. Is that too hard to figure out. You read Abraham's article and someone posted the Herald's column about firing BV---did you read that one too? We hear one side of everything on this forum. The side about how we should stop blaming the manager. Well, if a team is still trying to get to .500 this late in the year and all it takes to grab the 2nd WC is play .550, then yeah, you make a move to improve the team. Someone said fire the GM, who also gets some blame with some poor personel decisions, but BV has yet to get this team on a sustained streak of victories other than getting out of a deep hole in May.
Posted by dannycater
Of course I exaggerated your position, but the bottom line is I think you put way, way more faith in managers than they deserve--any of them. Francona was a loser before he inherited a team that the year before almost beat the Yankees in the ALCS--and he darn near lost the 2004 ALCS 4 games to zip, or have you forgotten? The 2004 team were a great bunch of hitters with some guy named Mueller hitting over .300 in the 8th slot. And the 2007 team led the AL in ERA and was like 3d in runs scored. It did not take a genius to manage those two teams. I think Francona did a good job, but let's not kid outselves.
Joe Torre was a loser before he got the Yankees job, and I think Stengal was both before and after he managed the Yankees.
Last year Francona's lineup included five of the top ten OPS's in the AL--Ells, Ped, Agon, Papi, and Youk. Do you honestly think it took managerial genius to make up that lineup card? Or that those guys wouldn't have hit without the inspirational leadership provided by Terry Francona? To be honest, I think Francona keeps his job even after the September collapse, but the chicken and beer killed him because it suggested his guys just did whatever they wanted whenever they wanted.
This year Bobby V doesn't have what Francona had last year. In lieu of 5 guys with top ten OPS's, he has one, Ortiz, who is on the DL. Two of his three presumptive aces are struggling. The bullpen lost Pap, Bard, Melancon, and Bailey, with Melancon back but only so-so.