Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II
posted at 2/9/2013 6:43 AM EST
In response to jasko2248's comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to Critter23's comment:
I have one final defense of Theo. He was pro-active, he tried to make moves, and yes a lot of them didn't work and we can all question some of them. You might say any guy working for a big market team might have more freedom to make moves. But that's not true in some markets and not just small market teams. For example, the Giants over the last 15 years--and remember now, they've won two WS, have been crying in the streets for a power hitter in some years, and did they go get one--no. Make do. Hope the young guys come along. Pick up someone like Huff and hope it works out. Don't go over the 140/150 million budget. Even last year they didn't go get a closer and in my opinion lucked out with a guy who rose to the occasion even though he's not a real closer. I know people aren't going to change their views of Theo, but I think a lot of factors were in play, he didn't always make the ultimate decisions, etc. But he would take chances, make trades, trade Nomar, get Lowell, pull in a role player, to try to make the club better. There are many ball towns where fans wait forever for someone to make a move that's obvious.
While mentioning the Giants, I think Moon discussed the possibility of Linsecum last spring. He had an off year last year, very erratic from inning to inning and game to game. His arm and stuff seemed fine, and I think most said he'd gotten into some bad habits leading to bad mechanics. I think he still won 11 or 12 games and they were patient with him all season, he made all his starts, but with the WS close they decided to go with Zito, make him the long reliever, and try to straighten out his mechanics next year. He's still young, was lights out in the WS, has won two rings. Cain got annointed their #1 amidst all this, and are they going to pay two 20 million dollar pitchers? Anyone think this would be worth exploring? There was no visible griping about being sent to the pen for the WS but who knows what he might have thought of that.
Do you mean trade for him (he makes $22M this year- his last on his deal)? Or get him as a FA next winter?
If we traded and extended, I could see the logic... like maybe trading Ellsbury, Salty, Morales, and a low prospect for Lincecum (extended) and Hector Sanchez.
trade 2 guys with 1yr left and a bullpen arm/possible starter who had control issues last time he was a starter?
If the Sox could work a deal for an extension before a trade Id say SF would want a legit pitching prospect back along with another top prospect for both of those guys...Then another couple low-level prospects...
If Im the SF GM Id start with one of RDLR/Webster/Barnes (replace TL)then probably get Bailey to close with 2yrs left of control (Sanchez). Id also ask for someone like Brentz for a little power and one other prospect.
Im not totally sure of SF needs, but I think thats a bit more realistic for a 2 time CY winner and a cost controled closer
A lot of teams obviously looked into Lincecum this off season and were told that he's not available. He's a big part of that organization, on and off the field, and he loves it there. They supposedly fully intend to resign him and my guess is that it happens before the end of this upcoming season.
Yeah, I read Sabean saying that when everyone here started in about trading for him.
I just didnt think what Moon proposed for him and Sanchez was realistic...Although I agree with his view on GM's saying guys arent available when they actually could be. I just think if they were to consider trading the 2 mentioned, the Sox would have to have a couple guys in the top 5 as well as some MLB ready players involved. It would seem more like a 5 or 6 for 2 deal with some big names involved.