Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II
posted at 2/14/2013 8:51 AM EST
I'd like to know the names that were discussed. Perhaps, we may never know. I wonder if they had to be 2 pitchers. Would they have taken Lester, Ellsbury and cash?
Can't see KC wanting Ells for 1 yr knowing they can't resign him? How do you explain that to your fan base, while Myers putting up big #'s in fenway.
I think explaining picking up Ellsbury to their fan base would be the last of their worries, in fact, no explanation would be needed once they see we are paying half his deal. Also, KC would love the draft pick.
BTW, Shields is only under team control for 2 years, and that is the main reason this deal was rated as one of the worst for KC.
I'm not usually one to advocate trading solid pitching for a hitter, but I suggested this deal as a good one for the Sox, because as of now, I do not see the Sox extending him. I have heard rumblings of talks, but am not sure it is a good idea. His lost velocity is a big concern. You could be right: it could be a terrible mistake, if Lester has a very good 2013 and we could have extended him. Lester is still young enough to be considered part of our longterm future if we do extend him. My gut just tells me that trading him straight up for Myers would help our longterm future more than keeping Lester and hoping quite a few things happen for it to work out well with him beyond 2014.
Think smart play w/ Lester is let this season play out. Hopefully he returns to form w/ Farrell back and extension can be agreed upon. Because while Lester hasn't been a No.1, he's still a solid #2 if he can turn it around. RS desperately need him to turn it around.
Wishful thinking is not always "smart play". If he does not regain his form, his trade value goes way down. Of course the opposite is true as well, but it's a gamble either way. My biggest concern is lester's loss of velocity. There was a great article on fangraphs about how it is virtually unheard of for a pitcher to regain his lost velocity, unless it was a result of an injury.
I meant build around them by gaining more prospects or younger players with more years of team control, along with maybe one FA that will be in his prime for 2014 & 2015 & perhaps beyond. Surely, this was not impossible to make happen.
Its unfortunate that the year the RS had to spend $, there really wasn't much worth spending it on. Tough to be trading guys like Lester and others for young talent when they're all coming off miserable yrs. If Lester had pitched well last yr and Shields had pitched terribly then maybe Myers could be wearing a RS uniform, but guess how many RS fans would be screaming that RS traded their best pitcher?
We did not "have to spend money", or at least that much money and in that way.
Maybe not tip top prospect talent (although we'll have to agree to disagree on Myers), but maybe go all out for Brett Anderson, or come up with a better offer to pry Trevor Bauer from AZ. (AJ Cole? I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now.)
I'm a little weary on Bauer he wore out his welcome in AZ awfully quickly. As for Brett Anderson would love to see him in RS uniform, but w/ A's coming off winning the AL West they are no longer looking to unload & rebuild, if anything they've been adding to a team they think has a chance to be a factor this year. Personally I think they take a step back, if they do then RS might be able to get Anderson next offseason. A's are always one yr away from rebuilding again.
I agree that Anderson was highly unlikely or would have taken a huge overpay, but the cost to get a guy like Bauer was not much at all.
Bauer put up some nice numbers in...
AA 8-2 3.18 11.9k/9
AAA 5-1 2.85 10.6K/9
(plus 17Ks in 9 innings of A+ ball)
Yes, the sample size is small, but this kid has huge upside.