A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    I guess the draft pick we get for Ellsbury might turn out fine, but I have to think we could have gotten more. I'd have liked to see maybe just one winter move to get a player that can help in 2015 and beyond, but maybe every move from now on will be in that manner.  I think we have all the transition players we need for the nest 2 years, so...

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    you got that right, everything from now on should be long term moves. Promoting prospects and signing marquee FAs.

    Half of me wants this year to be over so we can start signing some of those FA pitchers.. Just thinking of the Doc in a sox uni has me salavating.. If he pitches ~250 innings this year his option will automaticall kick though

     
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    there are some interesting dynamics to this team. We need good health and a bit of luck. but overall, i like our chances.

    Very interesting dynamics for sure, but I cannot share your optimism over our meager chances. Too many things have to go right for us to even have a slight chance to make the wildcard play-in game.




    i'm eyeing the division actually. No one is really a runway.. Sure the Jays look tough but if that core of players couldn't do anything in Miami i don't see them doing it in Toronto... especially in the dogfight of the ALE. all it takes is an injury to Longo and Tampa is out. The Yanks are not a threat IMO and i don't think Baltimore can keep the magic alive. Sure the sox have just as many question marks as the other teams in the ALE but that certainly doesn't put us out.

    Especially considering we have the best farm out of all the teams in the ALE by far. So if we need to make a midseason move (promotion or trade) we can further bolster our team and thus our chances.

     
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    I guess the draft pick we get for Ellsbury might turn out fine, but I have to think we could have gotten more. I'd have liked to see maybe just one winter move to get a player that can help in 2015 and beyond, but maybe every move from now on will be in that manner.  I think we have all the transition players we need for the nest 2 years, so...

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    you got that right, everything from now on should be long term moves. Promoting prospects and signing marquee FAs.

    Half of me wants this year to be over so we can start signing some of those FA pitchers.. Just thinking of the Doc in a sox uni has me salavating.. If he pitches ~250 innings this year his option will automaticall kick though.

    I hate to say it, but due to my concern that if we are in it at the deadline, Ben might go for a key piece to help us in the "here and now" and sacrifice part of our future to get it, "half of me" is hoping that if it isn't meant to be this year, it will be clear by the deadline that we have no chance. That way, Ben will almost be forced to deal away shortterm players for longterm gain, and face little wrath from the media and  fans.

    I'm not rooting for failure. I'd never due that, but my worst fear is that we do well enough to be "in it" at the break, go for broke, come up short, and be worse off for 2014 and beyond than we are now.

     
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    I guess the draft pick we get for Ellsbury might turn out fine, but I have to think we could have gotten more. I'd have liked to see maybe just one winter move to get a player that can help in 2015 and beyond, but maybe every move from now on will be in that manner.  I think we have all the transition players we need for the nest 2 years, so...



    you got that right, everything from now on should be long term moves. Promoting prospects and signing marquee FAs.

    Half of me wants this year to be over so we can start signing some of those FA pitchers.. Just thinking of the Doc in a sox uni has me salavating.. If he pitches ~250 innings this year his option will automaticall kick though.

    I hate to say it, but due to my concern that if we are in it at the deadline, Ben might go for a key piece to help us in the "here and now" and sacrifice part of our future to get it, "half of me" is hoping that if it isn't meant to be this year, it will be clear by the deadline that we have no chance. That way, Ben will almost be forced to deal away shortterm players for longterm gain, and face little wrath from the media and  fans.

    I'm not rooting for failure. I'd never due that, but my worst fear is that we do well enough to be "in it" at the break, go for broke, come up short, and be worse off for 2014 and beyond than we are now.

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    well he had that chance last season and he didn't do it... Fans crucified him for "standing pat" too. it was a bloodbath on the forum around the time of the trade deadline. People crying that we made no moves blah blah blah. We came away with Breslow though so it wasn't too bad. but people were still crying that we got rid of Albers (who was pitching good at the time but aside from that period of time was "So-So").

    we'll see what happens when the time comes. I do think that if we are buyers at the deadline that our top prospects won't be touched.

     
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    Especially considering we have the best farm out of all the teams in the ALE by far.

    TB has a very good farm. They got more than just Myers from KC, and they were very good beforehand.

    They had aboatload of comp picks recently, are seeing the results from the Garza, bartlett and Kazmir deals, and have several young players locked up for the longterm.

    TB will not go away.

     
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    What if guys like Webster, De LaRosa and Barnes emerge in the next year or 2 as some of the top young starters in baseball? What if we sign a big bopper FA 1st baseman next winter or do a trade for a Morneau assuming he comes back strong by the break? What if some of our young prospects like Bradley and Bogaerts emerge as top players. Maybe Ellsbury has a great 2013 and we resign him. We may be a lot closer to being a championship team than people realize.

     
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    I guess the draft pick we get for Ellsbury might turn out fine, but I have to think we could have gotten more. I'd have liked to see maybe just one winter move to get a player that can help in 2015 and beyond, but maybe every move from now on will be in that manner.  I think we have all the transition players we need for the nest 2 years, so...

     



    you got that right, everything from now on should be long term moves. Promoting prospects and signing marquee FAs.

     

    Half of me wants this year to be over so we can start signing some of those FA pitchers.. Just thinking of the Doc in a sox uni has me salavating.. If he pitches ~250 innings this year his option will automaticall kick though.

    I hate to say it, but due to my concern that if we are in it at the deadline, Ben might go for a key piece to help us in the "here and now" and sacrifice part of our future to get it, "half of me" is hoping that if it isn't meant to be this year, it will be clear by the deadline that we have no chance. That way, Ben will almost be forced to deal away shortterm players for longterm gain, and face little wrath from the media and  fans.

    I'm not rooting for failure. I'd never due that, but my worst fear is that we do well enough to be "in it" at the break, go for broke, come up short, and be worse off for 2014 and beyond than we are now.




    well he had that chance last season and he didn't do it... Fans crucified him for "standing pat" too. it was a bloodbath on the forum around the time of the trade deadline. People crying that we made no moves blah blah blah. We came away with Breslow though so it wasn't too bad. but people were still crying that we got rid of Albers (who was pitching good at the time but aside from that period of time was "So-So").

    we'll see what happens when the time comes. I do think that if we are buyers at the deadline that our top prospects won't be touched.

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    I was saying we should be buyer (get a longterm player- pitcher if possible) and seller (shed the FAs to be) at the deadline. I liked the Breslow trade, and the Albers deal worked our very well, we ended up getting Pods back for free. The Shoppach deal was a dump. The Dodger deal was heavenly.

     
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    Especially considering we have the best farm out of all the teams in the ALE by far.

    TB has a very good farm. They got more than just Myers from KC, and they were very good beforehand.

    They had aboatload of comp picks recently, are seeing the results from the Garza, bartlett and Kazmir deals, and have several young players locked up for the longterm.

    TB will not go away.



    I think TB is maybe even favored this year, or at least favored to make the playoffs. They still have great young pitching and it doesn't take a lot of offense to emerge to win with a staff like that. They just need to stay healthy and have a few offensive players have solid years.

     
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    Especially considering we have the best farm out of all the teams in the ALE by far.

    TB has a very good farm. They got more than just Myers from KC, and they were very good beforehand.

    They had aboatload of comp picks recently, are seeing the results from the Garza, bartlett and Kazmir deals, and have several young players locked up for the longterm.

    TB will not go away.

     



    I think TB is maybe even favored this year, or at least favored to make the playoffs. They still have great young pitching and it doesn't take a lot of offense to emerge to win with a staff like that. They just need to stay healthy and have a few offensive players have solid years.

     



    I like the Rays better than the popular Jays pick. Even though they lost Shields and Davis, they still have 7 decent to great starters:

    Price, Hellickson, Moore, Cobb & Niemann, and waiting in the wings is R Hernandez & Chris Archer. 

    While Rodney and Fransworth are old, thier pen has some up and coming young arms.

    With Escobar at SS, they no longer need Zobrist in the IF, so they improved their OF as well. They have some depth and flex now with R Roberts, K Johnson and S Rodriguez to play 2B and back-up SS and 3B. Zobrist may end up at 1B if Joyce, Jennings, and Fuld or Guyer play well.

    They may also have some cash to spend at the deadline, if needed- something new for them.

     
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    The Rays just have an impressive FO and management team. They seem to unload guys at the right time and develop good young talent with consistency. Especially young pitching.

     
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    Maybe we are the new Rays if you watch what we are doing. It is similar in some ways with a greater focus on young pitching and improvements in farm development.

     
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    Especially considering we have the best farm out of all the teams in the ALE by far.

    TB has a very good farm. They got more than just Myers from KC, and they were very good beforehand.

    They had aboatload of comp picks recently, are seeing the results from the Garza, bartlett and Kazmir deals, and have several young players locked up for the longterm.

    TB will not go away.




    Good ownership - excellent GM - one of the best Managers in the game. If this team played in any other market and received some support = $. Probably would have won a WS by now. If you can develope your own pitching, you'll win more often than not and no one has done a better job of developing pitching over the past 5-8 yrs. May be the reason RS are stock piling young arms, lesson learned? 

     
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    The AL East is up for grabs.  Any team in the AL East can either win the division or finish in last place.  

    I doubt that Baltimore will go 29-9 in one-run games, 16-2 in extra innings, and 74-0 when leading after the 7th inning.  But the O's will not go away in 2013 either.  

    I pick Toronto to win the division (with 89 wins) and Boston to clinch a wild card berth (with 87 wins).  

     

     
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    Especially considering we have the best farm out of all the teams in the ALE by far.

    TB has a very good farm. They got more than just Myers from KC, and they were very good beforehand.

    They had aboatload of comp picks recently, are seeing the results from the Garza, bartlett and Kazmir deals, and have several young players locked up for the longterm.

    TB will not go away.

     




     

    Good ownership - excellent GM - one of the best Managers in the game. If this team played in any other market and received some support = $. Probably would have won a WS by now. If you can develope your own pitching, you'll win more often than not and no one has done a better job of developing pitching over the past 5-8 yrs. May be the reason RS are stock piling young arms, lesson learned? 




    getting the pick of the litter for years and years prior to their rise certainly helped them a lot too...

     
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    The AL East is up for grabs.  Any team in the AL East can either win the division or finish in last place.  

    I doubt that Baltimore will go 29-9 in one-run games, 16-2 in extra innings, and 74-0 when leading after the 7th inning.  But the O's will not go away in 2013 either.  

    I pick Toronto to win the division (with 89 wins) and Boston to clinch a wild card berth (with 87 wins).  

     




    I wonder if it is actually possible for Balitmore to be a much better team this year without the record to reflect it. 

     
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    Especially considering we have the best farm out of all the teams in the ALE by far.

    TB has a very good farm. They got more than just Myers from KC, and they were very good beforehand.

    They had aboatload of comp picks recently, are seeing the results from the Garza, bartlett and Kazmir deals, and have several young players locked up for the longterm.

    TB will not go away.

     




     

    Good ownership - excellent GM - one of the best Managers in the game. If this team played in any other market and received some support = $. Probably would have won a WS by now. If you can develope your own pitching, you'll win more often than not and no one has done a better job of developing pitching over the past 5-8 yrs. May be the reason RS are stock piling young arms, lesson learned? 

     




    getting the pick of the litter for years and years prior to their rise certainly helped them a lot too...

     



    Yes, it did help, but I'm sure several of their picks were not based on who they wanted the most, but who they could more easily sign.

     
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    [TB] seem to unload guys at the right time and develop good young talent with consistency. 

    I am going to do astudy on their players who have come and gone. It's amazing how many play poorly or get hurt the year after they leave.

     
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    Today's report from the Fort...not to be confused with Softy's spring training musings...

    Iggy, with two more doubles today, looks good enough to have Ben and Farrell scratching their heads and asking themselves why they gave $10mil to Drew. These two hits were against Hellickson and Nieman, not the JV staff. This is NOT a knock on Drew as I think he has looked much better than I expected, but he is no Iggy.

    Overbay had a triple late but hit into a double play early with runners on first and third and no outs to "drive in" a run. He also cost the Sox their only run allowed with a poor defensive play at first where he couldn't "find" the bag. It was scored a hit, a gift, and it lead to Tampa's only run. I can't see him lasting very much longer, and while I don't understand the infatuation with Carp either, the fact that either of these guys is here points out how much Ortiz can hamstring a roster with his DH only skillset. Of all the guys in camp vying for that fifth outfielder/back-up firstbaseman job, I would give it to Nava, although since he has options left I doubt that will happen.

    Doubront looked like the same Doubie who struggled to go deep into games last year, nibbling his way to high pitch counts and unable to get out of the second inning. What makes him most frustrating is his swing and miss stuff is so good; but there are no swings when the pitches aren't even close. His first eight hitters took almost an hour to retire; the game moved along nicely after he departed.

    I didn't think I would be needing long pants and swearshirts down here, but....

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Today's report from the Fort...not to be confused with Softy's spring training musings...

    Iggy, with two more doubles today, looks good enough to have Ben and Farrell scratching their heads and asking themselves why they gave $10mil to Drew. These two hits were against Hellickson and Nieman, not the JV staff. This is NOT a knock on Drew as I think he has looked much better than I expected, but he is no Iggy.

    Overbay had a triple late but hit into a double play early with runners on first and third and no outs to "drive in" a run. He also cost the Sox their only run allowed with a poor defensive play at first where he couldn't "find" the bag. It was scored a hit, a gift, and it lead to Tampa's only run. I can't see him lasting very much longer, and while I don't understand the infatuation with Carp either, the fact that either of these guys is here points out how much Ortiz can hamstring a roster with his DH only skillset. Of all the guys in camp vying for that fifth outfielder/back-up firstbaseman job, I would give it to Nava, although since he has options left I doubt that will happen.

    Doubront looked like the same Doubie who struggled to go deep into games last year, nibbling his way to high pitch counts and unable to get out of the second inning. What makes him most frustrating is his swing and miss stuff is so good; but there are no swings when the pitches aren't even close. His first eight hitters took almost an hour to retire; the game moved along nicely after he departed.

    I didn't think I would be needing long pants and swearshirts down here, but....

    Thanks, Jid. Your reports are very insightful. 

    On Iggy, it may take him showing he can hit very well to finally get a chance: sad but true. I'm afraid the Drew investment will hold him back this year. 

    Doubie worries me.

     
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    "Iggy, with two more doubles today, looks good enough to have Ben and Farrell scratching their heads and asking themselves why they gave $10mil to Drew. These two hits were against Hellickson and Nieman, not the JV staff. This is NOT a knock on Drew as I think he has looked much better than I expected, but he is no Iggy."

    I am sure that all in RSN are very glad to hear that Iggy got two doubles today. Farrell had nothing to do with signing Drew to a contract. Ben had no idea that Iggy would get two doubles today when he signed Drew and thus make the $10 mil. contract ridiculous and totally stupid to every logical Sox fan. Iggy still has to win the SS position and it should not be based on one day. Are you reporting the daily news or your personal agenda?



    Thanks for a near total baseball post. You are welcome here with posts like these.

    Jid is a good poster. Everybody has their own agenda to some extent, but I think Jid is calling it straight.

     
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    No doubt Jidge is calling it straight. He's not the one with a personal agenda.

    We do have an issue at 1st base but we can work around it. We can live with it particularly if Napoli stays healthy and produces. That's all we need from there if that happens and we can back him up with guys like Nava and Salty.

     
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    No doubt Jidge is calling it straight. He's not the one with a personal agenda.

    Like so what if jid wants Iggy; it doesn't mean his reports are tainted or any less realsitic that the Globe writers.

    We do have an issue at 1st base but we can work around it. We can live with it particularly if Napoli stays healthy and produces. That's all we need from there if that happens and we can back him up with guys like Nava and Salty.




    I seriously doubt Carp makes the 25 man roster, unless Papi or Nap are on the DL. My guess is that he might be put on waivers, not claimed, and agree to a AAA assignment in hopes he will get a chance with the fragile papi and Naps ahead of him. 

     

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