A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Interesting thread. Just to add my two cents worth: There should be competition for roster spots. And , the best twenty five should make the team. If that includes Iglesias , Bradley , Lavarnway , De La Rosa, Tazawa and Webster , then so be it.  I understand the arguments for remaining options , player control , etc. , but these considerations should take a back seat to putting our best team on the field.  You can't be always planning for the future. The future never comes. If the Sox are a better team with Iglesias at short , then he should be there, regardless of how much Drew is being paid.  Major League baseball is big time entertainment. The Sox should be putting their best on the field every day.

     
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    Interesting thread. Just to add my two cents worth: There should be competition for roster spots. And , the best twenty five should make the team. If that includes Iglesias , Bradley , Lavarnway , De La Rosa, Tazawa and Webster , then so be it.  I understand the arguments for remaining options , player control , etc. , but these considerations should take a back seat to putting our best team on the field.  You can't be always planning for the future. The future never comes. If the Sox are a better team with Iglesias at short , then he should be there, regardless of how much Drew is being paid.  Major League baseball is big time entertainment. The Sox should be putting their best on the field every day.



    No argument that the best should be on the field.  The only problem is that it's pretty hard to tell from a month of spring training games how some players (like Bradley) will do when the real games start.

     
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    Interesting thread. Just to add my two cents worth: There should be competition for roster spots. And , the best twenty five should make the team. If that includes Iglesias , Bradley , Lavarnway , De La Rosa, Tazawa and Webster , then so be it.  I understand the arguments for remaining options , player control , etc. , but these considerations should take a back seat to putting our best team on the field.  You can't be always planning for the future. The future never comes. If the Sox are a better team with Iglesias at short , then he should be there, regardless of how much Drew is being paid.  Major League baseball is big time entertainment. The Sox should be putting their best on the field every day.

     



    No argument that the best should be on the field.  The only problem is that it's pretty hard to tell from a month of spring training games how some players (like Bradley) will do when the real games start.

     




    Sure. Who actually are the best 25 is a matter of opinion.  I am just saying that if one player is clearly better , he should not be sent down solely because he has options , or for control purposes , or just because the other guy was signed as a free agent and is being highly paid.  I just want to see our best lineup out there . There is no reason why we should not be able to compete for the pennant. 

     
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    Dan Shaughnessy told Ellsbury that he would shave his head if Ellsbury was back with the Red Sox next season.  LOL

    So far, Bradley Jr. looks like the real deal and if Ellsbury puts up 2011 numbers this year, his market value will go quite high. 

    I think Ellsbury will be traded in July. 

     

     
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    Interesting fact I found,

    In 2014, the Red Sox have $87.9 million in guarenteed contract obligations

    But in 2015, it drops to only $29.25 million.

     

     
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    Dan Shaughnessy told Ellsbury that he would shave his head if Ellsbury was back with the Red Sox next season.  LOL

    So far, Bradley Jr. looks like the real deal and if Ellsbury puts up 2011 numbers this year, his market value will go quite high. 

    I think Ellsbury will be traded in July. 



    Trading Ellsbury depends on the circumstances.  If the Sox are clearly in playoff contention in July and Ellsbury is playing well, how can you trade him?

     
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    Dan Shaughnessy told Ellsbury that he would shave his head if Ellsbury was back with the Red Sox next season.  LOL

    So far, Bradley Jr. looks like the real deal and if Ellsbury puts up 2011 numbers this year, his market value will go quite high. 

    I think Ellsbury will be traded in July. 

    Trading Ellsbury depends on the circumstances.  If the Sox are clearly in playoff contention in July and Ellsbury is playing well, how can you trade him?




    Good morning Hfxsoxnut   :)

    I agree with you--it depends on the circumstances. 

    As a fan, I would hate to see Ellsbury leave and the Red Sox get nothing.  I think the front office will take the conservative approach and pull a "Nomar trade" where they get a couple of good players in return. 

    I can only imagine the pressure Ellsbury is going through--free agent year, Bradley Jr being a great talent, and he has dealt with a few injuries, etc.

     
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    Interesting thread. Just to add my two cents worth: There should be competition for roster spots. And , the best twenty five should make the team. If that includes Iglesias , Bradley , Lavarnway , De La Rosa, Tazawa and Webster , then so be it.  I understand the arguments for remaining options , player control , etc. , but these considerations should take a back seat to putting our best team on the field.  You can't be always planning for the future. The future never comes. If the Sox are a better team with Iglesias at short , then he should be there, regardless of how much Drew is being paid.  Major League baseball is big time entertainment. The Sox should be putting their best on the field every day.




    Red Auerbach had the same philosophy.  He felt the future was 'now' and acquired players accordingly.  Usually, mostly veterans interspersed with a rookie or two....made famous by the 'sixth-man' strategy that Havlicekand others were famous for.

     
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    Oakland's approach: Sign former Red Sox players and make 99% of trades with Arizona    LOL

    Speaking of Oakland, I pick them to win the AL West again.  Last year was not a fluke. 

     
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    Drew's 9.5 million contract makes him very disposable.  Last year the Red Sox traded Youk early and for garbage, and paid 11 million of his 12 million salary for the year.

     



    Yeah, and paying $1.5 to 2.5M of Drew's remaining $3.1.62M deal after a trade (assuming at the deadline) would be brilliant as well.

     

     



    I'm not making any judgment on the intelligence of such a move.  Merely pointing out that the Red Sox have demonstrated that they are willing to eat this kind of money on a player who is in the way.

     

     



    Yes, and I have said Iggy might play, but only of Drew is traded  (Like Youk) or hurt.

     
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    For what it's worth, MLB Trade Rumors has reviewed the Red Sox offseason:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/03/offseason-in-review-boston-red-sox.html

     

    Here's the jist...

    The rotation includes Jon LesterClay Buchholz and Felix Doubront, who all posted ERAs above 4.50 in 2012. Each pitcher can be better, but counting on bounce-back performances from so many players seems risky.... 

    ...The Red Sox will be an improved team in 2013. But after falling to the bottom of the American League East standings a year ago, this club can no longer be considered prohibitive co-favorites, as they were for most of the last decade. Instead, they’re a fringe contender that could just as easily end up with another sub-.500 record.

     
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    Trading Ellsbury depends on the circumstances.  If the Sox are clearly in playoff contention in July and Ellsbury is playing well, how can you trade him?

    By use of the phone... LOL.

     
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    Oakland's approach: Sign former Red Sox players and make 99% of trades with Arizona    LOL

    Speaking of Oakland, I pick them to win the AL West again.  Last year was not a fluke. 



    They are better this year. Much better if Anderson stays healthy.

     
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    Not a great day at the fort, but Lester looked real good. I left after six innings so I didn't see Rubby give up runs, but I did see Wright throw two excrutiating innings...couldn't throw strikes and when he did he got crushed. Not much offense either, but Holt, Iggy and Ciriaco all turned in excellent defensive plays. Ciriaco's error occured when he replaced Bradley in center. The backup infielder battle is wide open. 

    An interesting sidelight was the sight of Overbay playing left field and looking lost. My guess is that they want the backup firstbaseman to also double as the fifth outfielder (I'm pretty sure Sweeney is the fourth outfielder.) and if that's the case then Overbay's first test was a dismal failure. He played a fairly routine fly to left into a double when he turned too quickly to play it off the wall and it short-hopped the wall instead, ooops. Then with a runner on second he charged a single to left and should have easily held the runner at third but he booted that ball allowing the runner to score. This was after Wright had walked the bases full, ugly baseball.

    But Lester looked great, and it looked like he was being squeezed, but he kept his composure and pounded the strike zone. The only run he allowed scored on an infield out following a leadoff triple.

     
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    An interesting sidelight was the sight of Overbay playing left field and looking lost. My guess is that they want the backup firstbaseman to also double as the fifth outfielder (I'm pretty sure Sweeney is the fourth outfielder.) and if that's the case then Overbay's first test was a dismal failure.

     

    i guess that means both Carp and Nava have the edge over Overbay as the BU 1Bman.. (i figured as much anyway. both Carp and Nava are much better ballplayers than him as it is)

     
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    I'm definitely not convinced Sweeney is the # 4. I lean towards Nava but he still has at least one option I think so he may not be the guy potentially. 

     

    Can we pick none of the above?

     
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    That is why I think Salty might well get some time at 1st base and we retain a 4th and 5th OF who are primarily outfielders. I think Nava wins one of those spots as he is better against RH pitching than some of those guys and Sweeney isn't even being looked at at 1st. Maybe Sweeney is the # 4 then and it's a fight between Nava, Carp and Overbay. I still would take Nava out of that group. I have no idea who they will pick though. 

     

    How about Bradley!

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     
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    Not a great day at the fort, but Lester looked real good. I left after six innings so I didn't see Rubby give up runs, but I did see Wright throw two excrutiating innings...couldn't throw strikes and when he did he got crushed. Not much offense either, but Holt, Iggy and Ciriaco all turned in excellent defensive plays. Ciriaco's error occured when he replaced Bradley in center. The backup infielder battle is wide open. 

    An interesting sidelight was the sight of Overbay playing left field and looking lost. My guess is that they want the backup firstbaseman to also double as the fifth outfielder (I'm pretty sure Sweeney is the fourth outfielder.) and if that's the case then Overbay's first test was a dismal failure. He played a fairly routine fly to left into a double when he turned too quickly to play it off the wall and it short-hopped the wall instead, ooops. Then with a runner on second he charged a single to left and should have easily held the runner at third but he booted that ball allowing the runner to score. This was after Wright had walked the bases full, ugly baseball.

    But Lester looked great, and it looked like he was being squeezed, but he kept his composure and pounded the strike zone. The only run he allowed scored on an infield out following a leadoff triple.



    They should print your reports on the Globe Sports Pages.

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

    ;)

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

     

    ;)




    i'll take 1 extra year closer to his prime rather than a confident rookie who is still developing thank you very much :)

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

     

    ;)

     




    i'll take 1 extra year closer to his prime rather than a confident rookie who is still developing thank you very much :)

     




    Why waste the year of control and more important, have him sit on the bench part of the time and play out of position? Just so everyone gets to see him play? Makes no sense to me.

    Unless hes playing 100% of the time, and in CF, he should be in AAA

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

     

    ;)

     




    i'll take 1 extra year closer to his prime rather than a confident rookie who is still developing thank you very much :)

     

     




    Why waste the year of control and more important, have him sit on the bench part of the time and play out of position? Just so everyone gets to see him play? Makes no sense to me.

     

    Unless hes playing 100% of the time, and in CF, he should be in AAA




    agreed, although if we keep jacoby he will have to get used to playing RF next season Laughing

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

     

    ;)

     




    i'll take 1 extra year closer to his prime rather than a confident rookie who is still developing thank you very much :)

     

     




    Why waste the year of control and more important, have him sit on the bench part of the time and play out of position? Just so everyone gets to see him play? Makes no sense to me.

     

    Unless hes playing 100% of the time, and in CF, he should be in AAA

     




    agreed, although if we keep jacoby he will have to get used to playing RF next season Laughing

     




    Actually if Ells' does hit for power and by some miracle we do resign him, I could see him in LF with JBJ in CF...JBJ is the better out for the 2 defensively and has a much better arm.

     
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