A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

     

    ;)

     




    i'll take 1 extra year closer to his prime rather than a confident rookie who is still developing thank you very much :)

     

     




    Why waste the year of control and more important, have him sit on the bench part of the time and play out of position? Just so everyone gets to see him play? Makes no sense to me.

     

    Unless hes playing 100% of the time, and in CF, he should be in AAA

     




    agreed, although if we keep jacoby he will have to get used to playing RF next season Laughing

     

     




    Actually if Ells' does hit for power and by some miracle we do resign him, I could see him in LF with JBJ in CF...JBJ is the better out for the 2 defensively and has a much better arm.

     

     




    thus the arm would be much better suited for RF where it can be put to good use. Plus a configuration with either of them in LF is a vast waste of their talent. one has to be in CF and one in RF. Ells doesn't have the arm for RF, JBJ does.


    besides, Fenways RF is like a second CF anyway...

     
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    Not a great day at the fort, but Lester looked real good. I left after six innings so I didn't see Rubby give up runs, but I did see Wright throw two excrutiating innings...couldn't throw strikes and when he did he got crushed. Not much offense either, but Holt, Iggy and Ciriaco all turned in excellent defensive plays. Ciriaco's error occured when he replaced Bradley in center. The backup infielder battle is wide open. 

    An interesting sidelight was the sight of Overbay playing left field and looking lost. My guess is that they want the backup firstbaseman to also double as the fifth outfielder (I'm pretty sure Sweeney is the fourth outfielder.) and if that's the case then Overbay's first test was a dismal failure. He played a fairly routine fly to left into a double when he turned too quickly to play it off the wall and it short-hopped the wall instead, ooops. Then with a runner on second he charged a single to left and should have easily held the runner at third but he booted that ball allowing the runner to score. This was after Wright had walked the bases full, ugly baseball.

    But Lester looked great, and it looked like he was being squeezed, but he kept his composure and pounded the strike zone. The only run he allowed scored on an infield out following a leadoff triple.

     



    They should print your reports on the Globe Sports Pages.

     



    You mean they're not?

     
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    Thinking outside of the box a little....

    1) Bradley is ready now defensively for sure.

    2) Bradley does appear to have a very advanced hitting approach already, particularly in terms of getting on base.

    3) Bradley has produced in high pressure situations in college and seems to be a mature young man emotionally, capable of dealing with adversity and a big market.

    4) Considering the wear and tear a center fielder often takes in MLB, are the normal "prime" years the same for a center fielder? Would he be better now rather than at 29? Look at other CF who have aged quickly in mlb and had difficulty staying on the field.

    5) What are our needs THIS YEAR? Would he not fit in as a solid outfielder against all RH pitching and as a defensive replacement for THIS TEAM? The kid would potentially get into almost every game if he were also subbed as a defensive replacement in left field and he would probably play against most RH pitching considering the extreme splits of our normal LF and RF starters. 

    6) He's a young player who is not used to playing 155 games anyway. He may be better off playing with some periodic rest in order to optimize his performance. Would he not develop just as fast in this situation, playing at least 2/3 the games?. 

    7) It could just be that Bradley is one of our best lead off options already. Enabling us to slot Ellsbury at #3. Significantly changing the entire lineup.

    *** I'm not saying go with Bradley at the start of the year but after we arrange to keep him from being a super 2, I have no problem at all bringing him up. The key to me is why did he slump the last month in AA ball? Was it a pitching adjustment which he just couldn't handle? Or was it fatigue and/or injuries or just a slump? To me that is a huge aspect of this decision.

     
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    And could he make the difference in us winning this year?

     
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    I think it's too much too soon to have Bradley starting the year with the big club.  Call him up later and give him a chance to start playing at the MLB level with less pressure on him.

     
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    Boom, I'd love to see the kid play, but the economics of the game dictate that the team wait as long as possible before his free agency clock starts ticking. But if the object of the game is to simply bring the best 25 north, and start the best nine, then Bradley is in both groups. I didn't see today's game as it was a road game (seven miles away) but he had two more hits today. I also talked to someone at dinner tonight who was at the game and I know he knows his stuff and he said that Webster and Buccholz both looked "awesome", his word.

     
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    If I thought we had a legitimate chance for a ring this year, I'd be going bonkers over Bradley not getting a shot this early season. I'm surprised that a lot of posters who have been arguing that the Sox have a good chance this year want our best OF'er to start in AAA and even to stay there most or all the year.

    The team year's of control issue is the only thing keeping me on the fence.

     

     
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    Thinking outside of the box a little....

    1) Bradley is ready now defensively for sure.

    2) Bradley does appear to have a very advanced hitting approach already, particularly in terms of getting on base.

    3) Bradley has produced in high pressure situations in college and seems to be a mature young man emotionally, capable of dealing with adversity and a big market.

    4) Considering the wear and tear a center fielder often takes in MLB, are the normal "prime" years the same for a center fielder? Would he be better now rather than at 29? Look at other CF who have aged quickly in mlb and had difficulty staying on the field.

    5) What are our needs THIS YEAR? Would he not fit in as a solid outfielder against all RH pitching and as a defensive replacement for THIS TEAM? The kid would potentially get into almost every game if he were also subbed as a defensive replacement in left field and he would probably play against most RH pitching considering the extreme splits of our normal LF and RF starters. 

    6) He's a young player who is not used to playing 155 games anyway. He may be better off playing with some periodic rest in order to optimize his performance. Would he not develop just as fast in this situation, playing at least 2/3 the games?. 

    7) It could just be that Bradley is one of our best lead off options already. Enabling us to slot Ellsbury at #3. Significantly changing the entire lineup.

    *** I'm not saying go with Bradley at the start of the year but after we arrange to keep him from being a super 2, I have no problem at all bringing him up. The key to me is why did he slump the last month in AA ball? Was it a pitching adjustment which he just couldn't handle? Or was it fatigue and/or injuries or just a slump? To me that is a huge aspect of this decision.



    Great summary boom.

    About the slump: it could just be a slump. Even the best MLB players have slumps. Hitting is not easy.

     
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    They should print your reports on the Globe Sports Pages.

     

     



    You mean they're not?

     

    You haven't gotten a check yet?

     
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    They should print your reports on the Globe Sports Pages.

     

     



    You mean they're not?

     

    You haven't gotten a check yet?



    They're probably mailing it to Mass while I'm down here in Florida; just my luck!

     
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    They should print your reports on the Globe Sports Pages.

     

     



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    They're probably mailing it to Mass while I'm down here in Florida; just my luck!

     



    Don't expect a windfall.

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    If I thought we had a legitimate chance for a ring this year, I'd be going bonkers over Bradley not getting a shot this early season. I'm surprised that a lot of posters who have been arguing that the Sox have a good chance this year want our best OF'er to start in AAA and even to stay there most or all the year.



    Ellsbury was second in MVP voting in 2011, but you're christening Bradley as our best OFer before he even plays above AA ball.

     

     
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    Nut, right now Bradley is our best defensive outfielder, especially when you factor in his arm, which is far superior to Ells. I'm not saying that he would transition perfectly into a MLB lineup right now, although I'd like to see the Sox try it, but his glove, like Iggy's, is already well above MLB average.

     
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    Thinking outside of the box a little....

    1) Bradley is ready now defensively for sure.

    2) Bradley does appear to have a very advanced hitting approach already, particularly in terms of getting on base.

    3) Bradley has produced in high pressure situations in college and seems to be a mature young man emotionally, capable of dealing with adversity and a big market.

    4) Considering the wear and tear a center fielder often takes in MLB, are the normal "prime" years the same for a center fielder? Would he be better now rather than at 29? Look at other CF who have aged quickly in mlb and had difficulty staying on the field.

    5) What are our needs THIS YEAR? Would he not fit in as a solid outfielder against all RH pitching and as a defensive replacement for THIS TEAM? The kid would potentially get into almost every game if he were also subbed as a defensive replacement in left field and he would probably play against most RH pitching considering the extreme splits of our normal LF and RF starters. 

    6) He's a young player who is not used to playing 155 games anyway. He may be better off playing with some periodic rest in order to optimize his performance. Would he not develop just as fast in this situation, playing at least 2/3 the games?. 

    7) It could just be that Bradley is one of our best lead off options already. Enabling us to slot Ellsbury at #3. Significantly changing the entire lineup.

    *** I'm not saying go with Bradley at the start of the year but after we arrange to keep him from being a super 2, I have no problem at all bringing him up. The key to me is why did he slump the last month in AA ball? Was it a pitching adjustment which he just couldn't handle? Or was it fatigue and/or injuries or just a slump? To me that is a huge aspect of this decision.



    After seeing Bradley this ST one thing that is clear that RS might soon regret the SV signing. Think he could have started in RF this year and given us the same defense and probably more production offensively. Then probably would become starting CF next year and hopefully Brentz/ or Kalish would have been ready to take over RF position in 14.

     
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    Thinking outside of the box a little....

    1) Bradley is ready now defensively for sure.

    2) Bradley does appear to have a very advanced hitting approach already, particularly in terms of getting on base.

    3) Bradley has produced in high pressure situations in college and seems to be a mature young man emotionally, capable of dealing with adversity and a big market.

    4) Considering the wear and tear a center fielder often takes in MLB, are the normal "prime" years the same for a center fielder? Would he be better now rather than at 29? Look at other CF who have aged quickly in mlb and had difficulty staying on the field.

    5) What are our needs THIS YEAR? Would he not fit in as a solid outfielder against all RH pitching and as a defensive replacement for THIS TEAM? The kid would potentially get into almost every game if he were also subbed as a defensive replacement in left field and he would probably play against most RH pitching considering the extreme splits of our normal LF and RF starters. 

    6) He's a young player who is not used to playing 155 games anyway. He may be better off playing with some periodic rest in order to optimize his performance. Would he not develop just as fast in this situation, playing at least 2/3 the games?. 

    7) It could just be that Bradley is one of our best lead off options already. Enabling us to slot Ellsbury at #3. Significantly changing the entire lineup.

    *** I'm not saying go with Bradley at the start of the year but after we arrange to keep him from being a super 2, I have no problem at all bringing him up. The key to me is why did he slump the last month in AA ball? Was it a pitching adjustment which he just couldn't handle? Or was it fatigue and/or injuries or just a slump? To me that is a huge aspect of this decision.

     



     

    After seeing Bradley this ST one thing that is clear that RS might soon regret the SV signing. Think he could have started in RF this year and given us the same defense and probably more production offensively. Then probably would become starting CF next year and hopefully Brentz/ or Kalish would have been ready to take over RF position in 14.



    As soon as I posted that Gary I also thought about the 3 years of control we have of Victorino. And I also thought we may well live to regret it. What if we do extend Ellsbury for example nd we coul have sotted JBJ out there? I agree, it's very possibe that we regret the $39 mil Victorino signing.

    I wouldnt be at all surprised if we regret the $26 mil Ortiz deal either. There are lots of reasonswhy it would have been better to let him walk finally this winter. I hope not but why resign him for that amount when we knew he had a major injury? We may not see much at all from Ortiz this year either from injury time or reduced performance IMO. It wsn't worth the risk.

     
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    They should print your reports on the Globe Sports Pages.

     


    You mean they're not?

     

    You haven't gotten a check yet?

     



    They're probably mailing it to Mass while I'm down here in Florida; just my luck!

     

     



    Don't expect a windfall.

     

    ;)

     I got a $100 check as a blogger last year. I wouldn't quit your day job Jidge! Then again, Andrew Sullivan is grossing over $800,000 and the guys at mlbtraderumors are doing just fine.

     



     

     
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    Boom, I retired seven years ago, but now I'm semi-employed as my father-in-law's caretaker. The pay isn't too good but the benefits (he has season's tickets to Jet Blue) are pretty good.

     
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    Hey Moon, Notin, Drewski, Jid, Mef, Boom, Ice, Gary, Dgale, Southpaw and all the other guys i failed to mention but enjoy the good baseball talk on this thread.....I'll be in the Fort next week!  I managed to escape snowy Vermont, by myself, to see three games in four days.  I'll be at Hammond on Thursday, Jet Blue Friday night, and Port Charlotte Saturday.  Been all over Florida several times through the years, but never to Fort Myers.  I have great seats for all three games and am one of those guys who watches every pitch of every game and looks for the nuances of the game that day.  I should see a good representation of major and minor leaguers as well as most of the pitchers since i'm seeing a day game, night game, day game.  I will try to post while there, but I won't be as diligent as Jid. (Maybe i'll see you on the 15th though).  If there is anything in particular anyone wants me to look for, shoot me a message on here and i'll do my best.  I don't post a lot on these threads but I read them as much as I can and I respect the guys who keep it to baseball talk, still the best game out there. 

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

     

    ;)

     




    i'll take 1 extra year closer to his prime rather than a confident rookie who is still developing thank you very much :)

     

     




    Why waste the year of control and more important, have him sit on the bench part of the time and play out of position? Just so everyone gets to see him play? Makes no sense to me.

     

    Unless hes playing 100% of the time, and in CF, he should be in AAA

     




    agreed, although if we keep jacoby he will have to get used to playing RF next season Laughing

     

     




    Actually if Ells' does hit for power and by some miracle we do resign him, I could see him in LF with JBJ in CF...JBJ is the better out for the 2 defensively and has a much better arm.

     




    +1

     
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    So Anibal Sanchez didn't look very good against the DR last night...

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

     

    ;)

     




    i'll take 1 extra year closer to his prime rather than a confident rookie who is still developing thank you very much :)

     

     




    Why waste the year of control and more important, have him sit on the bench part of the time and play out of position? Just so everyone gets to see him play? Makes no sense to me.

     

    Unless hes playing 100% of the time, and in CF, he should be in AAA

     




    agreed, although if we keep jacoby he will have to get used to playing RF next season Laughing

     

     




    Actually if Ells' does hit for power and by some miracle we do resign him, I could see him in LF with JBJ in CF...JBJ is the better out for the 2 defensively and has a much better arm.

     

     




    thus the arm would be much better suited for RF where it can be put to good use. Plus a configuration with either of them in LF is a vast waste of their talent. one has to be in CF and one in RF. Ells doesn't have the arm for RF, JBJ does.


    besides, Fenways RF is like a second CF anyway...




    You have a point...

     
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    Jid, don't worry about the money.  I'm working on something more important for you.  I'm working on your nomination for the annual "Curt Gowdy Jet Blue Award" for the best journalism offered up at the ST venue.  So far, you are the only one nominated.  Those who don't understand the significance and importance of this award just are too young to get it.  "Many are called but only a few are qualified to serve."  The beautiful chalice that comes with this award is of a much higher coin than the filthy lucre that will soon be gone...

     
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    Hey Moon, Notin, Drewski, Jid, Mef, Boom, Ice, Gary, Dgale, Southpaw and all the other guys i failed to mention but enjoy the good baseball talk on this thread.....I'll be in the Fort next week!  I managed to escape snowy Vermont, by myself, to see three games in four days.  I'll be at Hammond on Thursday, Jet Blue Friday night, and Port Charlotte Saturday.  Been all over Florida several times through the years, but never to Fort Myers.  I have great seats for all three games and am one of those guys who watches every pitch of every game and looks for the nuances of the game that day.  I should see a good representation of major and minor leaguers as well as most of the pitchers since i'm seeing a day game, night game, day game.  I will try to post while there, but I won't be as diligent as Jid. (Maybe i'll see you on the 15th though).  If there is anything in particular anyone wants me to look for, shoot me a message on here and i'll do my best.  I don't post a lot on these threads but I read them as much as I can and I respect the guys who keep it to baseball talk, still the best game out there. 




    Thanks cass...Look forward to your posts.

     
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    we shouldn't waste Bradleys time if he isn't going to be an everyday player..

     



    Whaaaa, we're "building his confidence!"

     

    ;)

     




    i'll take 1 extra year closer to his prime rather than a confident rookie who is still developing thank you very much :)

     

     




    Why waste the year of control and more important, have him sit on the bench part of the time and play out of position? Just so everyone gets to see him play? Makes no sense to me.

     

    Unless hes playing 100% of the time, and in CF, he should be in AAA

     




    agreed, although if we keep jacoby he will have to get used to playing RF next season Laughing

     

     




    Actually if Ells' does hit for power and by some miracle we do resign him, I could see him in LF with JBJ in CF...JBJ is the better out for the 2 defensively and has a much better arm.

     

     




    thus the arm would be much better suited for RF where it can be put to good use. Plus a configuration with either of them in LF is a vast waste of their talent. one has to be in CF and one in RF. Ells doesn't have the arm for RF, JBJ does.


    besides, Fenways RF is like a second CF anyway...

     




    You have a point...

     



    i mean it's the only configuration i can think of that maximized both of their talents... In fenway anyway, in other parks we can mix and match, Like in yankee stadium put Ells in LF and JBJ in CF.

    but in Fenway i don't see how you can justify putting either of them in that tiny LF, a complete waste of their elite range. And it's not like your missing out by putting Ells in CF, he is one of the best CF'ers in the entire league defensively. his only knock is his arm but he makes up for it with his speed and excellent range.

     
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