A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Hey Moon, Notin, Drewski, Jid, Mef, Boom, Ice, Gary, Dgale, Southpaw and all the other guys i failed to mention but enjoy the good baseball talk on this thread.....I'll be in the Fort next week!  I managed to escape snowy Vermont, by myself, to see three games in four days.  I'll be at Hammond on Thursday, Jet Blue Friday night, and Port Charlotte Saturday.  Been all over Florida several times through the years, but never to Fort Myers.  I have great seats for all three games and am one of those guys who watches every pitch of every game and looks for the nuances of the game that day.  I should see a good representation of major and minor leaguers as well as most of the pitchers since i'm seeing a day game, night game, day game.  I will try to post while there, but I won't be as diligent as Jid. (Maybe i'll see you on the 15th though).  If there is anything in particular anyone wants me to look for, shoot me a message on here and i'll do my best.  I don't post a lot on these threads but I read them as much as I can and I respect the guys who keep it to baseball talk, still the best game out there. 



    You got that right: baseball is the best.

     
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    And it's not like your missing out by putting Ells in CF, he is one of the best CF'ers in the entire league defensively. his only knock is his arm but he makes up for it with his speed and excellent range.

    You missed the knock on his slow breaks on some balls hit his way, the poor routes he takes to get to some balls hit his way, and his reluctance to call off IF'er charging after bloopers.

     
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    And it's not like your missing out by putting Ells in CF, he is one of the best CF'ers in the entire league defensively. his only knock is his arm but he makes up for it with his speed and excellent range.

    You missed the knock on his slow breaks on some balls hit his way, the poor routes he takes to get to some balls hit his way, and his reluctance to call off IF'er charging after bloopers.



    i don't see it that way..... well maybe the IF'ers part. i see that hit in my sleep sometimes.

     
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    And it's not like your missing out by putting Ells in CF, he is one of the best CF'ers in the entire league defensively. his only knock is his arm but he makes up for it with his speed and excellent range.

    You missed the knock on his slow breaks on some balls hit his way, the poor routes he takes to get to some balls hit his way, and his reluctance to call off IF'er charging after bloopers.

     



    i don't see it that way..... well maybe the IF'ers part. i see that hit in my sleep sometimes.

     



    Watch closely this year, or go back and look at game film.

     
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    Thinking outside of the box a little....

    1) Bradley is ready now defensively for sure.

    2) Bradley does appear to have a very advanced hitting approach already, particularly in terms of getting on base.

    3) Bradley has produced in high pressure situations in college and seems to be a mature young man emotionally, capable of dealing with adversity and a big market.

    4) Considering the wear and tear a center fielder often takes in MLB, are the normal "prime" years the same for a center fielder? Would he be better now rather than at 29? Look at other CF who have aged quickly in mlb and had difficulty staying on the field.

    5) What are our needs THIS YEAR? Would he not fit in as a solid outfielder against all RH pitching and as a defensive replacement for THIS TEAM? The kid would potentially get into almost every game if he were also subbed as a defensive replacement in left field and he would probably play against most RH pitching considering the extreme splits of our normal LF and RF starters. 

    6) He's a young player who is not used to playing 155 games anyway. He may be better off playing with some periodic rest in order to optimize his performance. Would he not develop just as fast in this situation, playing at least 2/3 the games?. 

    7) It could just be that Bradley is one of our best lead off options already. Enabling us to slot Ellsbury at #3. Significantly changing the entire lineup.

    *** I'm not saying go with Bradley at the start of the year but after we arrange to keep him from being a super 2, I have no problem at all bringing him up. The key to me is why did he slump the last month in AA ball? Was it a pitching adjustment which he just couldn't handle? Or was it fatigue and/or injuries or just a slump? To me that is a huge aspect of this decision.

     



     

    After seeing Bradley this ST one thing that is clear that RS might soon regret the SV signing. Think he could have started in RF this year and given us the same defense and probably more production offensively. Then probably would become starting CF next year and hopefully Brentz/ or Kalish would have been ready to take over RF position in 14.

     



    As soon as I posted that Gary I also thought about the 3 years of control we have of Victorino. And I also thought we may well live to regret it. What if we do extend Ellsbury for example nd we coul have sotted JBJ out there? I agree, it's very possibe that we regret the $39 mil Victorino signing.

     

    I wouldnt be at all surprised if we regret the $26 mil Ortiz deal either. There are lots of reasonswhy it would have been better to let him walk finally this winter. I hope not but why resign him for that amount when we knew he had a major injury? We may not see much at all from Ortiz this year either from injury time or reduced performance IMO. It wsn't worth the risk.




    Best case scenario for RS is that SV plays very well for RS and JBJ continues to impress in AAA. Then hopefully RS might find a suitor to take SV's contract off their hand [might have to eat some of it] and Bradley gets the call. Nothing motivates a team more than a young player coming to big club and playing well, seems to get everyone to play w/ more passion. But long season and injuries always play a part too, so hopefully JBJ in Fenway not to distant future.

    As for Ortiz if there was ever a player who even if he didn't take another swing in a RS uniform has earned every penny of it, its Ortiz. While I would not want that to be the case, after RS made him squirm for 1 yr contracts for so long and produced as much as any RS player.You'll never hear me complain about $ Ortiz is being paid.

     
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    And it's not like your missing out by putting Ells in CF, he is one of the best CF'ers in the entire league defensively. his only knock is his arm but he makes up for it with his speed and excellent range.

    You missed the knock on his slow breaks on some balls hit his way, the poor routes he takes to get to some balls hit his way, and his reluctance to call off IF'er charging after bloopers.

     



    i don't see it that way..... well maybe the IF'ers part. i see that hit in my sleep sometimes.

     




    His knock was always getting bad breaks on balls. I remember he would start in on a ball going deep and go back on a ball not hit so hard. A lot of those great catches were made because of his great speed to make up for bad reads.

    I admit he has gotten a lot better at reading the ball off the bat, but it is still his weakness.

     
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    Thinking outside of the box a little....

    1) Bradley is ready now defensively for sure.

    2) Bradley does appear to have a very advanced hitting approach already, particularly in terms of getting on base.

    3) Bradley has produced in high pressure situations in college and seems to be a mature young man emotionally, capable of dealing with adversity and a big market.

    4) Considering the wear and tear a center fielder often takes in MLB, are the normal "prime" years the same for a center fielder? Would he be better now rather than at 29? Look at other CF who have aged quickly in mlb and had difficulty staying on the field.

    5) What are our needs THIS YEAR? Would he not fit in as a solid outfielder against all RH pitching and as a defensive replacement for THIS TEAM? The kid would potentially get into almost every game if he were also subbed as a defensive replacement in left field and he would probably play against most RH pitching considering the extreme splits of our normal LF and RF starters. 

    6) He's a young player who is not used to playing 155 games anyway. He may be better off playing with some periodic rest in order to optimize his performance. Would he not develop just as fast in this situation, playing at least 2/3 the games?. 

    7) It could just be that Bradley is one of our best lead off options already. Enabling us to slot Ellsbury at #3. Significantly changing the entire lineup.

    *** I'm not saying go with Bradley at the start of the year but after we arrange to keep him from being a super 2, I have no problem at all bringing him up. The key to me is why did he slump the last month in AA ball? Was it a pitching adjustment which he just couldn't handle? Or was it fatigue and/or injuries or just a slump? To me that is a huge aspect of this decision.

     



     

    After seeing Bradley this ST one thing that is clear that RS might soon regret the SV signing. Think he could have started in RF this year and given us the same defense and probably more production offensively. Then probably would become starting CF next year and hopefully Brentz/ or Kalish would have been ready to take over RF position in 14.

     



    As soon as I posted that Gary I also thought about the 3 years of control we have of Victorino. And I also thought we may well live to regret it. What if we do extend Ellsbury for example nd we coul have sotted JBJ out there? I agree, it's very possibe that we regret the $39 mil Victorino signing.

     

    I wouldnt be at all surprised if we regret the $26 mil Ortiz deal either. There are lots of reasonswhy it would have been better to let him walk finally this winter. I hope not but why resign him for that amount when we knew he had a major injury? We may not see much at all from Ortiz this year either from injury time or reduced performance IMO. It wsn't worth the risk.

     




     

    Best case scenario for RS is that SV plays very well for RS and JBJ continues to impress in AAA. Then hopefully RS might find a suitor to take SV's contract off their hand [might have to eat some of it] and Bradley gets the call. Nothing motivates a team more than a young player coming to big club and playing well, seems to get everyone to play w/ more passion. But long season and injuries always play a part too, so hopefully JBJ in Fenway not to distant future.

    Agreed.

    As for Ortiz if there was ever a player who even if he didn't take another swing in a RS uniform has earned every penny of it, its Ortiz. While I would not want that to be the case, after RS made him squirm for 1 yr contracts for so long and produced as much as any RS player.You'll never hear me complain about $ Ortiz is being paid.




    Papi could deserve even more. As compared to other higher priced players over the years, one could argue that he is owed more.

     
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    His knock was always getting bad breaks on balls. I remember he would start in on a ball going deep and go back on a ball not hit so hard. A lot of those great catches were made because of his great speed to make up for bad reads.

     

    I admit he has gotten a lot better at reading the ball off the bat, but it is still his weakness.

     

    It's something more noticable live than on TV, but when you can notice it so much on TV, it's an issue.

     
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    When you watch an outfielder like Bradley Jr. break on a ball at the crack of the bat you get an instant appreciation for natural fielding gifts. Ellsbury has improved with time and experience, and his speed can make up for poorer breaks, but he'll never have the natural instincts of a Bradley or a JD Drew for that matter.

    Last night's game was a bit of a yawner; it looked like both teams were anxious to catch a bus or something. Lots of first-pitch grounders to the infield and too many called-third strikes, the worst of which came in the first inning when Nava left the bases loaded with one out. The highlight of the game for Boston was probably the play of young Vazquez as the back-up catcher, throwing out a would be stealer by a mile and cracking a solid double in the ninth. The back end of Pawtucket's pitching staff pitched pretty well. Other than that, only the cooler than expected temperatures kept us awake.  

     
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    When you watch an outfielder like Bradley Jr. break on a ball at the crack of the bat you get an instant appreciation for natural fielding gifts. Ellsbury has improved with time and experience, and his speed can make up for poorer breaks, but he'll never have the natural instincts of a Bradley or a JD Drew for that matter.

    Last night's game was a bit of a yawner; it looked like both teams were anxious to catch a bus or something. Lots of first-pitch grounders to the infield and too many called-third strikes, the worst of which came in the first inning when Nava left the bases loaded with one out. The highlight of the game for Boston was probably the play of young Vazquez as the back-up catcher, throwing out a would be stealer by a mile and cracking a solid double in the ninth. The back end of Pawtucket's pitching staff pitched pretty well. Other than that, only the cooler than expected temperatures kept us awake.  




    Im starting to become a big fan of Vasquez. I stared watching him a little more closely last year and really liked what I saw defensively. Hes got some power, but has only showed inconstant glimpses of it. But at such a young age for a catcher (22), Im sure the offensive numbers will rise. 

    I think instead of Lavarnway or Swihart, fans should start taking notice of this kid as our catcher of the future...

     
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    When you watch an outfielder like Bradley Jr. break on a ball at the crack of the bat you get an instant appreciation for natural fielding gifts. Ellsbury has improved with time and experience, and his speed can make up for poorer breaks, but he'll never have the natural instincts of a Bradley or a JD Drew for that matter.

    Last night's game was a bit of a yawner; it looked like both teams were anxious to catch a bus or something. Lots of first-pitch grounders to the infield and too many called-third strikes, the worst of which came in the first inning when Nava left the bases loaded with one out. The highlight of the game for Boston was probably the play of young Vazquez as the back-up catcher, throwing out a would be stealer by a mile and cracking a solid double in the ninth. The back end of Pawtucket's pitching staff pitched pretty well. Other than that, only the cooler than expected temperatures kept us awake.  

     




    Im starting to become a big fan of Vasquez. I stared watching him a little more closely last year and really liked what I saw defensively. Hes got some power, but has only showed inconstant glimpses of it. But at such a young age for a catcher (22), Im sure the offensive numbers will rise. 

     

    I think instead of Lavarnway or Swihart, fans should start taking notice of this kid as our catcher of the future...



    It seems like the Sox certainly are dealing from a position of strength at one of the hardest positions to draft and develop.  I wouldn't be so quick to move one of them however, unless they were overwhelmed.  Lavarnway could be a C/1B/DH type at the ML level, much like Napoli has been up to this point.  Swihart is 20, I believe, but it doesn't seem like his body projects to that of a prototypical ML catcher. (isn't he like 5'10", 180 lbs.?) In addition, his bat and the fact he is a switch hitter may make him more valuable somewhere else, like Houston did with Biggio when they realized that catching was going to take a toll on his knees.  Vasquez just looks the part.  He is solid like Pudhe and the Molina's.  He has a strong, accurate arm and a super quick release.  He seems to block balls well.  I haven't yet heard what kind of game he calls, but if pitchers like throwing to him, he seems to have the whole package.  Sometimes offense develops a bit later w/ a catcher as well.  I do not know much about Dan Butler, but they must have seen something in him as well to use a 40 man roster spot on him. 

     
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    Cass, hopefully we'll communicate before you get here so we can arrange a meet. I'm in section 109, row 12 (the handicapped row), seats 12-14. I like Vazquez as well, but at 22 with a crowd in front of him, I'm sure he's ticketed for Portland. That doesn't mean everyone ahead of him is now or will be better than him, it simply means that his bat belongs there and he'll get a better chance to fine-tune his skills. The one catcher here that I don't get is Butler, he's 26 and split time between Portland and Pawtucket last year with marginal offensive success. But I haven't been impressed with his bat or glove down here. It appears that unless a deal can be struck somewhere that Salty and Ross start in Boston and Lavarnway and Butler make up the AAA tandem which should give Vazques lots of playing time in AA. Of the five, based on what I've seen this spring and trying to forget what I saw last season, I would rank them defensively, Ross, Vazquez, Salty, Lavarnway and Butler. Offensively, I would say Lavarnway, Salty, Ross, Vazques and Butler, again, that is based strictly on what I've seen this spring which will be sure to bring out the "small sample size" arguments. Salty has put up pretty good numbers down here, but his swing is sooo long and his plate discipline is awful, but he does feast on weak pitching.

     
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    When you watch an outfielder like Bradley Jr. break on a ball at the crack of the bat you get an instant appreciation for natural fielding gifts. Ellsbury has improved with time and experience, and his speed can make up for poorer breaks, but he'll never have the natural instincts of a Bradley or a JD Drew for that matter.

    Last night's game was a bit of a yawner; it looked like both teams were anxious to catch a bus or something. Lots of first-pitch grounders to the infield and too many called-third strikes, the worst of which came in the first inning when Nava left the bases loaded with one out. The highlight of the game for Boston was probably the play of young Vazquez as the back-up catcher, throwing out a would be stealer by a mile and cracking a solid double in the ninth. The back end of Pawtucket's pitching staff pitched pretty well. Other than that, only the cooler than expected temperatures kept us awake.  



    I find myself anxiously awaiting your reports each night. Thanks again, Jid.

    If Vazquez can turn out like we hope, Lava and/or Swihart could end up being nice trade bait, but that is a ways off from now.

     

     
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    Cass, hopefully we'll communicate before you get here so we can arrange a meet. I'm in section 109, row 12 (the handicapped row), seats 12-14. I like Vazquez as well, but at 22 with a crowd in front of him, I'm sure he's ticketed for Portland. That doesn't mean everyone ahead of him is now or will be better than him, it simply means that his bat belongs there and he'll get a better chance to fine-tune his skills. The one catcher here that I don't get is Butler, he's 26 and split time between Portland and Pawtucket last year with marginal offensive success. But I haven't been impressed with his bat or glove down here. It appears that unless a deal can be struck somewhere that Salty and Ross start in Boston and Lavarnway and Butler make up the AAA tandem which should give Vazques lots of playing time in AA. Of the five, based on what I've seen this spring and trying to forget what I saw last season, I would rank them defensively, Ross, Vazquez, Salty, Lavarnway and Butler. Offensively, I would say Lavarnway, Salty, Ross, Vazques and Butler, again, that is based strictly on what I've seen this spring which will be sure to bring out the "small sample size" arguments. Salty has put up pretty good numbers down here, but his swing is sooo long and his plate discipline is awful, but he does feast on weak pitching.



    Maybe Butler is injury insurance, as he (and maybe Lava) might be the most ML ready catcher we have in the system right now.

     
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    Tonight's report from the fort...

    Where has all our offense gone? Bradley had good at bats, but not much else positive to report. I left after eight innings so I missed the four-run ninth, 3 for the O's and 1 for us. 

    Doubront got roughed up a little in the first inning, actually his first two pitches put runners on second and third and no outs. He got out of it with just allowing the one run, but had to throw a lot of extra pitches because Holt messed up two double plays on consecutive plays with terrible relays. He has such great swing and miss stuff but is not consistent with it. Hanrahan looked great for the first time this spring, Baily looked shaky again. Miller looked unhittable as he has all spring. Doyle looked okay against the JV's for two innings and I missed him giving up three in the ninth.

    The highlight for me tonight was getting to sit next to the father of Mike Belfiore who pitched two scoreless against us. He was a first round draft pick out of Boston College and is starting his fourth year of pro ball as a lefty reliever. He was traded to the O's from Arizona last year and is on the O's 40 man roster, ticketed for AA but hopeful of a shot at AAA. It was fun to talk with his dad, obviously a very proud papa, and to watch him, the dad, live and die with every pitch his boy threw. It brought back memories for me as my son was a pretty good high school pitcher, just starting his college career at a D3 school, and the stomach-churning this dad was going through had me and the guys I was sitting with actually cheering for the kid pitching against us. He did throw two scoreless against us, but gave up three hits. The hits were by Salty, Middlebrooks and Carp, and I didn't have the heart to tell the dad that his boy got all the minor-league hitters out but didn't get one MLB hitter out. But it was fun and informative listening to dad talk about the recruiting process, the college career and his professional career to date. I wished him well and said I hope his boy has a great career in the national league. He responded by saying that he did too because his boy is a better hitter than a pitcher! Fun night in spite of the home team's offensive ineptitude.

     
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    Tonight's report from the fort...

    Where has all our offense gone? Bradley had good at bats, but not much else positive to report. I left after eight innings so I missed the four-run ninth, 3 for the O's and 1 for us. 

    Doubront got roughed up a little in the first inning, actually his first two pitches put runners on second and third and no outs. He got out of it with just allowing the one run, but had to throw a lot of extra pitches because Holt messed up two double plays on consecutive plays with terrible relays. He has such great swing and miss stuff but is not consistent with it. Hanrahan looked great for the first time this spring, Baily looked shaky again. Miller looked unhittable as he has all spring. Doyle looked okay against the JV's for two innings and I missed him giving up three in the ninth.

    The highlight for me tonight was getting to sit next to the father of Mike Belfiore who pitched two scoreless against us. He was a first round draft pick out of Boston College and is starting his fourth year of pro ball as a lefty reliever. He was traded to the O's from Arizona last year and is on the O's 40 man roster, ticketed for AA but hopeful of a shot at AAA. It was fun to talk with his dad, obviously a very proud papa, and to watch him, the dad, live and die with every pitch his boy threw. It brought back memories for me as my son was a pretty good high school pitcher, just starting his college career at a D3 school, and the stomach-churning this dad was going through had me and the guys I was sitting with actually cheering for the kid pitching against us. He did throw two scoreless against us, but gave up three hits. The hits were by Salty, Middlebrooks and Carp, and I didn't have the heart to tell the dad that his boy got all the minor-league hitters out but didn't get one MLB hitter out. But it was fun and informative listening to dad talk about the recruiting process, the college career and his professional career to date. I wished him well and said I hope his boy has a great career in the national league. He responded by saying that he did too because his boy is a better hitter than a pitcher! Fun night in spite of the home team's offensive ineptitude.



    Thanks again for the update. Good stuff.

     
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    Jid,  as usual, GREAT reading and sincerely appreciated.

    I'm sorry about the health of your father-in-law.  In a previous post, I didn't intend to compare or seem to boast about the health of my faher-in-law.  If you felt that, I apologize.

     

     
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    It seems that sometimes Doubront gets that outside pitch up and RH hitters can easily take it to RF. He's got to keep that pitch down more. For whatever reason it sometimes floats up there waiting to be smacked.

     
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    Jid,  as usual, GREAT reading and sincerely appreciated.

    I'm sorry about the health of your father-in-law.  In a previous post, I didn't intend to compare or seem to boast about the health of my faher-in-law.  If you felt that, I apologize.

     



    No apology necessary! Anyone who can shoot 85 should be boasting;)

     
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    When you watch an outfielder like Bradley Jr. break on a ball at the crack of the bat you get an instant appreciation for natural fielding gifts. Ellsbury has improved with time and experience, and his speed can make up for poorer breaks, but he'll never have the natural instincts of a Bradley or a JD Drew for that matter.

    Last night's game was a bit of a yawner; it looked like both teams were anxious to catch a bus or something. Lots of first-pitch grounders to the infield and too many called-third strikes, the worst of which came in the first inning when Nava left the bases loaded with one out. The highlight of the game for Boston was probably the play of young Vazquez as the back-up catcher, throwing out a would be stealer by a mile and cracking a solid double in the ninth. The back end of Pawtucket's pitching staff pitched pretty well. Other than that, only the cooler than expected temperatures kept us awake.  

     




    Im starting to become a big fan of Vasquez. I stared watching him a little more closely last year and really liked what I saw defensively. Hes got some power, but has only showed inconstant glimpses of it. But at such a young age for a catcher (22), Im sure the offensive numbers will rise. 

     

    I think instead of Lavarnway or Swihart, fans should start taking notice of this kid as our catcher of the future...

     



    It seems like the Sox certainly are dealing from a position of strength at one of the hardest positions to draft and develop.  I wouldn't be so quick to move one of them however, unless they were overwhelmed.  Lavarnway could be a C/1B/DH type at the ML level, much like Napoli has been up to this point.  Swihart is 20, I believe, but it doesn't seem like his body projects to that of a prototypical ML catcher. (isn't he like 5'10", 180 lbs.?) In addition, his bat and the fact he is a switch hitter may make him more valuable somewhere else, like Houston did with Biggio when they realized that catching was going to take a toll on his knees.  Vasquez just looks the part.  He is solid like Pudhe and the Molina's.  He has a strong, accurate arm and a super quick release.  He seems to block balls well.  I haven't yet heard what kind of game he calls, but if pitchers like throwing to him, he seems to have the whole package.  Sometimes offense develops a bit later w/ a catcher as well.  I do not know much about Dan Butler, but they must have seen something in him as well to use a 40 man roster spot on him. 

     

     



    Hey jid,
    I certainly wouldnt be moving any of our catchers just yet either. Im just very excited to finally see the prototypical type catcher with great defense and the offensive potential that Vasquez has. I read somewhere yesterday that he grew up around or watching the molinas and models his game after theirs. Nothing wrong with that. From all accounts hes a smart catcher with great instincs for the position and the game. Still, unless he just completely breaks out this year, Im looking at 2015 for him. But wouldnt be surprised if he made an appearence in 2014.

     

    Ive been saying for a while that Lavarnway doesnt look natural behind the plate. Lumbering and clumsy IMO. His bat is his big asset and IMO would be better at 1b/DH and could catch in an emergency. Hes not a starting catcher in MLB IMO. But what do I know.

    Dan butler was non drafted in 2009 I believe. Im not sure hes a ft starter in MLB either. Good defense, game calling but lacking on offense. Hes projected as a BU at the MLB level or maybe a starter on a low level team.

    Im with you on Swihart. I think hes going to end up at a different position mainly because of his size. Im sure he will fill out a bit, but his body type doesnt look like your prototypical catcher, ie; Vasquez, Salty. Hes got great potential, but like Biggio, I not sure he will last behind the plate in the long run.

    The future does look pretty good at that position for the Sox. Look forward to your next updates. Enjoy sunny FT. Myers...

     
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    Salty may be moved at the deadline, if we are out of it by then. His contract runs out this season.

     
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    Salty may be moved at the deadline, if we are out of it by then. His contract runs out this season.

     
    With the new wild card it's really only a small number of teams that are truly out of it at the deadline.  All you have to do is look at last year's standings on July 31.  We were 53-51, but we were only a couple of games out of the last wild card with 58 games left.  There's been some talk about pushing the trade deadline further back because of this.

     

     
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    Salty may be moved at the deadline, if we are out of it by then. His contract runs out this season.

     
    With the new wild card it's really only a small number of teams that are truly out of it at the deadline.  All you have to do is look at last year's standings on July 31.  We were 53-51, but we were only a couple of games out of the last wild card with 58 games left.  There's been some talk about pushing the trade deadline further back because of this.

     



    He could also be dealt on a waiver deal in August.

     
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    It's nice to see five teams from each league make the playoffs (compared to only two from each league up to 1993).

    The 1993 SF Giants won 103 games but did not make the playoffs because the Braves won the NL West by winning 104 games. 

     

     
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    Salty may be moved at the deadline, if we are out of it by then. His contract runs out this season.

     
    With the new wild card it's really only a small number of teams that are truly out of it at the deadline.  All you have to do is look at last year's standings on July 31.  We were 53-51, but we were only a couple of games out of the last wild card with 58 games left.  There's been some talk about pushing the trade deadline further back because of this.

     



    i like that idea. makes sense too, i know we didn't make any drastic changes to try to push us into over the hump at the deadline but shortly after the AS break we tanked and it pretty much killed our season. After that we floundered until the mega-deal and from there on the season was over.

    Pushing the deadline back will give teams a better picture of where they stand now that there is more PS bound teams. If the deadline was even 2 weeks further back we probably would have been sellers and we may have been in better shape than we are now.. in terms of future outlook anyway.

     

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