A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Drew's not good enough to be a DH, but I get what you are trying to do.

     

     



    i didn't say he should DH either. i said he should platoon LF with Gomes

     

    Sorry, I misread your post.

     
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    So, what does JBJ have to do to make this team? 3-4 today with a HR, double and a walk. He is hitting like .519. Did he need more development time last year or did he just get tired? The guy seems to get off to fast starts. The proverbial guy who can walk out of bed and hit.

    This is one heck of a fast start, in addition to an incredibly fast start last year. Considering the situation, I think he might actually make this team. He can hit against RH pitching and God knows our OF is not optimized against RH pitching. And he just maybe is our lead off guy, allowing us to slot Ellsbury in the 3 hole. I'm 50/50 at this point. It's good to give him additional PT and save his year's of control but this guy might just be a game changer for us right now. At some point I believe in giving a guy his due.

     
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    What did Fred Lynn hit in the minors, something like .276. At the same age. And then he hit .331 his rookie year. JBJ came from a top flight college program. He might just be ready right now.

     
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    Did he need more development time last year or did he just get tired? 

    There's more answer choices than just those two.

     

    If we found a way to start Iggy at SS and JBJ in CF, I'd actually think we'd have a legitimate shot at advancing in the playoffs this year.

    Oh well.

     
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    You may get your wish Moon!

     
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    Well, I don't see anyone whining here about Papi yet so I guess I will.  I admit I didn't say "Don't sign him!" But I'm pretty sure I expressed surprise at how much we offered and I never fell into the "Oh we owe him so much for all he's done!"  I'm of the philosophy that these guys are very well paid, and that business is business, on all sides.  I loved Mike Lowell but I didn't buy into the "Poor Mike has a few dings but he's done so much for us, he should be starting."

    Anyway, we should have offered Papi no more 10 mil/one year or 14 mil/two.  A thirty seven year old guy with that kind of injury who couldn't run much anyway...Not hating on Papi, just think RS "baseball people" just didn't think this out very well.  Read an article this morning which said the RS wanted him this year to bring people to the park with all this new look.  If that's true, I'm disappointed.  Build a young team the right way, and I believe people will come anyway.  I've been worried about Papi, and now I'm more worried.  

     
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    I've been saying don't re sign Ortiz for a couple years now. How do you like me now? Is it any coincidence that they are doing HGH testing this year? I really don't think so. I'm expecting nothing from Ortiz this year. It was only a matter of time for the implosion.

    I have a right to my opinion and yes I do have significant data which supports my hypothesis. We will see who ends up right on that situation. As predicted for over a year now. I'm not going into this in depth again but watch and see what happens. We need to find plan B quickly.

     
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    So, what does JBJ have to do to make this team? 3-4 today with a HR, double and a walk. He is hitting like .519. Did he need more development time last year or did he just get tired? The guy seems to get off to fast starts. The proverbial guy who can walk out of bed and hit.

    This is one heck of a fast start, in addition to an incredibly fast start last year. Considering the situation, I think he might actually make this team. He can hit against RH pitching and God knows our OF is not optimized against RH pitching. And he just maybe is our lead off guy, allowing us to slot Ellsbury in the 3 hole. I'm 50/50 at this point. It's good to give him additional PT and save his year's of control but this guy might just be a game changer for us right now. At some point I believe in giving a guy his due.

     



    Boom, I don't know about his history, but based on what I've seen he hits lefties just as well as righties; hangs in very well.

     

     
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    My guess is Ben will keep JBJ in AAA until we don't lose the year of team control on the back end. Iggy may take Papi's roster spot, and the DH role will be rotated between Drew, Gomes, and others.

     
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    What about Gomez at DH until Papi is ready? It's not something I've seen anyone mention, but the guy rakes at the plate, and I think he's already on the 40 man roster.

     
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    What about Gomez at DH until Papi is ready? It's not something I've seen anyone mention, but the guy rakes at the plate, and I think he's already on the 40 man roster.



    I'm not high on Gomez. He seems like a career AAAA player.

    I think we will see Gomes, Nava and Drew rotate through the DH slot.

     
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    What about Gomez at DH until Papi is ready? It's not something I've seen anyone mention, but the guy rakes at the plate, and I think he's already on the 40 man roster.

     



    I'm not high on Gomez. He seems like a career AAAA player.

     

    I think we will see Gomes, Nava and Drew rotate through the DH slot.




    That's what he's been so far. But he's really hit in Boston whenever he's gotten the chance. You're probably right though on who we'll see filling in for the big man. A bigger mystery is what does Linares have to do to merit a long look?

     
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    I don't think Linares will break camp this year.  But he may very well be the first (one of the first) to get a call up to provide depth in the event of an injury. 

     
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    Linares does not need to be on the 40 man roster at this time, so we'd have to cut someone loose to give him a shot.

     
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    Linares does not need to be on the 40 man roster at this time, so we'd have to cut someone loose to give him a shot.




    Maybe he could get Hassan's spot.

     
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    Linares does not need to be on the 40 man roster at this time, so we'd have to cut someone loose to give him a shot.

    Hassan has a career OBP of .391. He just got to AAA, so it might be too early to give up on his chances to take a gamble on JC.

    I have always liked Linares, but it's hard see him getting his shot this year.

     




    Maybe he could get Hassan's spot.

     

     




     

    Maybe, but unless we think Linares is the real deal, I doubt they cut ties with anyone just to give him a chance this year- a year of little hope anyways.

     
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    Linares does not need to be on the 40 man roster at this time, so we'd have to cut someone loose to give him a shot.

     




    Maybe he could get Hassan's spot.

     

     




     

    Maybe, but unless we think Linares is the real deal, I doubt they cut ties with anyone just to give him a chance this year- a year of little hope anyways.




    I honestly think Hassan would clear waivers. He really doesn't bring anything to the table except the ability to get on base. He has little power and his defense is practically non existent. I don't think another MLB club would be willing to carry him all year.

     
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    I honestly think Hassan would clear waivers. He really doesn't bring anything to the table except the ability to get on base. He has little power and his defense is practically non existent. I don't think another MLB club would be willing to carry him all year.

    He'd make several team's 40 man rosters. I do not even think Ben views him as the 40th man. Perhaps Butler is that man. Ben may also trade a relief pitcher for a prospect to free room for Linares, if he feels he wants him on the big club.

     
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    Linares is great OF depth. If omeone gets hurt Linares is standing there with the ability to step in and he even has options. That is probably where he fits in this year.

    I don't think we should rule out guys like rotating the spare OF talent to fill that spot. Sweeney, Nava...etc. if they are the ones chosen. A guy like Linares could crack into one of those spots though.

     
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    Hassan is a rule 5 waiting to happen. We have Brentz and Bradley in the wings fairly soon. Linares is a stronger option. Hassan will not be kept around as window dressing.

     
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    I was posting on a different thread about possibly DHing Drew or having him play first (Naps would then DH) while Papi was out. This would allow Iggy to start at SS. He doesn;t have a FA clock or anything like that to worry about and we can give him that shot some posters are clamoring for. If Iggy puts up respectable numbers offensively we obviously would want him at SS ahead of Drew. So instead of having a 10 million dollar bench guy or trading him i was thinking we could move him to LF and have him as the RHH half of a platoon with Gomes.

    Drew hits righties better than lefties and puts up respectable numbers. I know he doesn't play the OF but neither did A-gon and he played (the larger) RF very well with less speed. Like A-gon, Drew is very good at positioning himself and since he already plays the left side of the field he can read the ball coming off of the bat just as well. Being a smaller area to cover (especially with Jacobys excellent range to his left) in fenways LF i think he would give us decent defense while hitting righties pretty well.

    just something to chew on... since we are looking for a better RHH platoon partner to pair with Gomes than Nava or Carp.. Drew hits righties better than Nava and it has an added bonus of getting Iggy into the starting MLB lineup.

     

    am i crazy? or does that sound like it could work.

     




    Its not as easy as some think to just switch positions. It doesnt matter how good of an athlete they are. if they have never played the position, your setting them up to fail.

     

     



    don't you think the transition would be eased by staying on the same side of the field as well as moving to the small OF? i realize that if this was an option to the FO that they would have had Drew out there in ST.. this is just a proposition that gives us more flexibility.

     




    OF and IF are totally different...Ask Youk.

     
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    Well, I don't see anyone whining here about Papi yet so I guess I will.  I admit I didn't say "Don't sign him!" But I'm pretty sure I expressed surprise at how much we offered and I never fell into the "Oh we owe him so much for all he's done!"  I'm of the philosophy that these guys are very well paid, and that business is business, on all sides.  I loved Mike Lowell but I didn't buy into the "Poor Mike has a few dings but he's done so much for us, he should be starting."

    Anyway, we should have offered Papi no more 10 mil/one year or 14 mil/two.  A thirty seven year old guy with that kind of injury who couldn't run much anyway...Not hating on Papi, just think RS "baseball people" just didn't think this out very well.  Read an article this morning which said the RS wanted him this year to bring people to the park with all this new look.  If that's true, I'm disappointed.  Build a young team the right way, and I believe people will come anyway.  I've been worried about Papi, and now I'm more worried.  




    The way I see it is the injury was looked at my more then just the Sox medical staff, and both said he should be fine by opening day. With the numbers he was putting up there was no sign of regression, so a contract was made.

    We can argue all day about the $$ or the years, but the fact is they had the money to do it and I also understand, besides his great production, what it means to have Papi here during this transformation of the team. They have 87M commited next year and no matter what happens to papi, this contract will in no way interfere with anything. This year or next.

    They still have about 13-15M to spend this year if they want to. Theres no question they had a plan B, C and D. people who run companies that are worth over a Billion dollars ALWAYS have multipe backup plans. Im sure they knew this and knew their options if it did come to this.

     
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    Well, I don't see anyone whining here about Papi yet so I guess I will.  I admit I didn't say "Don't sign him!" But I'm pretty sure I expressed surprise at how much we offered and I never fell into the "Oh we owe him so much for all he's done!"  I'm of the philosophy that these guys are very well paid, and that business is business, on all sides.  I loved Mike Lowell but I didn't buy into the "Poor Mike has a few dings but he's done so much for us, he should be starting."

    Anyway, we should have offered Papi no more 10 mil/one year or 14 mil/two.  A thirty seven year old guy with that kind of injury who couldn't run much anyway...Not hating on Papi, just think RS "baseball people" just didn't think this out very well.  Read an article this morning which said the RS wanted him this year to bring people to the park with all this new look.  If that's true, I'm disappointed.  Build a young team the right way, and I believe people will come anyway.  I've been worried about Papi, and now I'm more worried.  

     




    The way I see it is the injury was looked at my more then just the Sox medical staff, and both said he should be fine by opening day. With the numbers he was putting up there was no sign of regression, so a contract was made.

     

    We can argue all day about the $$ or the years, but the fact is they had the money to do it and I also understand, besides his great production, what it means to have Papi here during this transformation of the team. They have 87M commited next year and no matter what happens to papi, this contract will in no way interfere with anything. This year or next.

    They still have about 13-15M to spend this year if they want to. Theres no question they had a plan B, C and D. people who run companies that are worth over a Billion dollars ALWAYS have multipe backup plans. Im sure they knew this and knew their options if it did come to this.



    Good points, but the Papi money is not "throw away". It could have been used elsewhere.

     
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    Well, I don't see anyone whining here about Papi yet so I guess I will.  I admit I didn't say "Don't sign him!" But I'm pretty sure I expressed surprise at how much we offered and I never fell into the "Oh we owe him so much for all he's done!"  I'm of the philosophy that these guys are very well paid, and that business is business, on all sides.  I loved Mike Lowell but I didn't buy into the "Poor Mike has a few dings but he's done so much for us, he should be starting."

    Anyway, we should have offered Papi no more 10 mil/one year or 14 mil/two.  A thirty seven year old guy with that kind of injury who couldn't run much anyway...Not hating on Papi, just think RS "baseball people" just didn't think this out very well.  Read an article this morning which said the RS wanted him this year to bring people to the park with all this new look.  If that's true, I'm disappointed.  Build a young team the right way, and I believe people will come anyway.  I've been worried about Papi, and now I'm more worried.  

     




    The way I see it is the injury was looked at my more then just the Sox medical staff, and both said he should be fine by opening day. With the numbers he was putting up there was no sign of regression, so a contract was made.

     

    We can argue all day about the $$ or the years, but the fact is they had the money to do it and I also understand, besides his great production, what it means to have Papi here during this transformation of the team. They have 87M commited next year and no matter what happens to papi, this contract will in no way interfere with anything. This year or next.

    They still have about 13-15M to spend this year if they want to. Theres no question they had a plan B, C and D. people who run companies that are worth over a Billion dollars ALWAYS have multipe backup plans. Im sure they knew this and knew their options if it did come to this.

     



    Good points, but the Papi money is not "throw away". It could have been used elsewhere.

     




    i understand that and agree with you. but Im not complaining about the signing because all signs pointed to him being Ok per a couple different doctors. Not just the Sox staff.

    With the numbers he put up last year, I was ok, if the medical professionals were.

    I understand it couldve been used elsewhere, but at the time its was a good signing IMO for many reasons.

     
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    Good points, but the Papi money is not "throw away". It could have been used elsewhere.

     

     




    i understand that and agree with you. but Im not complaining about the signing because all signs pointed to him being Ok per a couple different doctors. Not just the Sox staff.

     

    With the numbers he put up last year, I was ok, if the medical professionals were.

    I understand it couldve been used elsewhere, but at the time its was a good signing IMO for many reasons.

     

    He wasn't worth this money on the open market, so it's hard to defend it being a "good signing", but there was just no way Papi should not retire in a Sox uniform. He is our true legend and hero. 

    I'm Ok with the signing, but wish we had just offered him $14M/1, and if he walked and signed elsewhere, we'd have the draft pick.

     
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