A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Good points, but the Papi money is not "throw away". It could have been used elsewhere.

     

     




    i understand that and agree with you. but Im not complaining about the signing because all signs pointed to him being Ok per a couple different doctors. Not just the Sox staff.

     

    With the numbers he put up last year, I was ok, if the medical professionals were.

    I understand it couldve been used elsewhere, but at the time its was a good signing IMO for many reasons.

     

    He wasn't worth this money on the open market, so it's hard to defend it being a "good signing", but there was just no way Papi should not retire in a Sox uniform. He is our true legend and hero. 

    I'm Ok with the signing, but wish we had just offered him $14M/1, and if he walked and signed elsewhere, we'd have the draft pick.

     




    I dont think he would have got what we offered anywhere else either Moon. Then again, papi was worth more to Boston than other teams, IMO. I think he was overpaid, like a few signings this offseason. But I think signing him was the right move.

    But remember, Papi also loses 4M if hes on the DL for more than 20 days due to that injury...

     

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Good points, but the Papi money is not "throw away". It could have been used elsewhere.

     

     




    i understand that and agree with you. but Im not complaining about the signing because all signs pointed to him being Ok per a couple different doctors. Not just the Sox staff.

     

    With the numbers he put up last year, I was ok, if the medical professionals were.

    I understand it couldve been used elsewhere, but at the time its was a good signing IMO for many reasons.

     

    He wasn't worth this money on the open market, so it's hard to defend it being a "good signing", but there was just no way Papi should not retire in a Sox uniform. He is our true legend and hero. 

    I'm Ok with the signing, but wish we had just offered him $14M/1, and if he walked and signed elsewhere, we'd have the draft pick.




    It was my understanding that there was language in Papi's contract to protect RS in event heel injury prevented Papi from playing?

     
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    • 2 years/$26M (2013-14)
      • re-signed by Boston as a free agent 11/2/12
      • $1M signing bonus
      • 13:$14M, 14:$11M
      • 2014 salary may increase to $13M or $15M based on days on active roster in 2013 ($15M if he spends 20 days or fewer on the disabled list with pre-existing Achilles injury)
     
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    • 2 years/$26M (2013-14)
      • re-signed by Boston as a free agent 11/2/12
      • $1M signing bonus
      • 13:$14M, 14:$11M
      • 2014 salary may increase to $13M or $15M based on days on active roster in 2013 ($15M if he spends 20 days or fewer on the disabled list with pre-existing Achilles injury)




    Guess its better than nothing? But after last yr RS had no choice but to resign Papi. Papi was the one who said he would not settle for another 1yr deal, left RS between a rock and a ........... I also was in favor of signing Papi, if RS did not take care of him what will other players in this town think when it comes time to make a decision between RS or other. I know its a bussiness but sometimes you need to take care of those who have taken care of you and Papi is the best possible example for RS. Great Player-Great Teamate-Great in the Community-Great w/ Media-Great w/ the fans! What else could you ask for from a player? He's earned every cent of that contract IMO.

     
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    • 2 years/$26M (2013-14)
      • re-signed by Boston as a free agent 11/2/12
      • $1M signing bonus
      • 13:$14M, 14:$11M
      • 2014 salary may increase to $13M or $15M based on days on active roster in 2013 ($15M if he spends 20 days or fewer on the disabled list with pre-existing Achilles injury)

     




     

    Guess its better than nothing? But after last yr RS had no choice but to resign Papi. Papi was the one who said he would not settle for another 1yr deal, left RS between a rock and a ........... I also was in favor of signing Papi, if RS did not take care of him what will other players in this town think when it comes time to make a decision between RS or other. I know its a bussiness but sometimes you need to take care of those who have taken care of you and Papi is the best possible example for RS. Great Player-Great Teamate-Great in the Community-Great w/ Media-Great w/ the fans! What else could you ask for from a player? He's earned every cent of that contract IMO.




    This is exactly what I meant by hes worth more to the Sox...Thanks for wording it much better than I could. Im much better with talking than with typing :)

     
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    * It was a miserable outing for Rubby De La Rosa, who got just two outs in the seventh inning. The 24-year-old right-hander walked four batters and allowed two hits, including a three-run double by Kevin Kouzmanoff

    I remember how some pined for this guy and his fastball...well, pine some more, then.

     
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    * It was a miserable outing for Rubby De La Rosa, who got just two outs in the seventh inning. The 24-year-old right-hander walked four batters and allowed two hits, including a three-run double by Kevin Kouzmanoff

    I remember how some pined for this guy and his fastball...well, pine some more, then.




    Those of us that were aware of his control issues still love his "stuff"...His change is ridiculous. Its his control that has always been anissue as Ive stated numerous times. He tends to overthrow too much as weve seen his last 2 outings...

     
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    * It was a miserable outing for Rubby De La Rosa, who got just two outs in the seventh inning. The 24-year-old right-hander walked four batters and allowed two hits, including a three-run double by Kevin Kouzmanoff

    I remember how some pined for this guy and his fastball...well, pine some more, then.

     


    Those of us that were aware of his control issues still love his "stuff"...His change is ridiculous. Its his control that has always been anissue as Ive stated numerous times. He tends to overthrow too much as weve seen his last 2 outings...

     

    There are several 99 mph guys out there who never harnessed it and that's why so few make it to MLB. Got to throw strikes and got to get outs. Great change, explosive fastball. Daniel Bard, same thing. When he was on, he was lights out, then he went to pieces last year. Got to harness the control.




     
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    * It was a miserable outing for Rubby De La Rosa, who got just two outs in the seventh inning. The 24-year-old right-hander walked four batters and allowed two hits, including a three-run double by Kevin Kouzmanoff

    I remember how some pined for this guy and his fastball...well, pine some more, then.

     


    Those of us that were aware of his control issues still love his "stuff"...His change is ridiculous. Its his control that has always been anissue as Ive stated numerous times. He tends to overthrow too much as weve seen his last 2 outings...

     

    There are several 99 mph guys out there who never harnessed it and that's why so few make it to MLB. Got to throw strikes and got to get outs. Great change, explosive fastball. Daniel Bard, same thing. When he was on, he was lights out, then he went to pieces last year. Got to harness the control.

     




     




    exactly. This is why some think he could be a better closer than starter.

     
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    Closers with control issues are too scary for my liking.

     
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    We should have offered Papi a 1 year, qualifying offer at $13 mil. If he turned it down and signed a 2 year deal somewhere else at 2/$20 mil we still would have gotten a pick. Shoulda, coulda, didn't.

     
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    We should have offered Papi a 1 year, qualifying offer at $13 mil. If he turned it down and signed a 2 year deal somewhere else at 2/$20 mil we still would have gotten a pick. Shoulda, coulda, didn't.



    It's likely he would have gotten an offer from the Rangers considering the deal they gave Berkman.  Berkman's deal is only one guaranteed year but the second year vests if he reaches 550 PA's, about 135 games.  If it vests Berkman gets 2 years, 22 million. 

     
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    We should have offered Papi a 1 year, qualifying offer at $13 mil. If he turned it down and signed a 2 year deal somewhere else at 2/$20 mil we still would have gotten a pick. Shoulda, coulda, didn't.

    I think Papi would have had a few offers including the Rangers if he seriously considered leaving Boston.  Look around our lineup hfx, there isn't another bat more important in our lineup.  I still think/hope he will be in the opening day lineup, at Papis age and size no need to play him in ST much other than to get his timing down.

     



    It's likely he would have gotten an offer from the Rangers considering the deal they gave Berkman.  Berkman's deal is only one guaranteed year but the second year vests if he reaches 550 PA's, about 135 games.  If it vests Berkman gets 2 years, 22 million. 

     




     
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    Both Linares and Hassan were sent down today, in response to some comments above. Haven't even seen Hassan down here that I can recall and what I've seen of Linares is that he has pop, has little or no plate discipline and is too fat to be a major league outfielder.

    Buchholz looked great today and we actually started to put some hits together. Napoli looks very good at the plate and defensively. But he may lead the league in singles off the wall as he is very slow and the ball gets off the wall very quickly when he hits it.

    Bailey had a good inning for a change, and Miller gave up his first runs of the spring, having looked great up until today. Only saw Webster's first two innings (I missed Bradley's error and the unearned run) and he looks very sharp. Great velocity and lots of bite on his breaking pitches. He will be a keeper although I'm sure he spends most of his season in AAA barring injuries. Vazquez caught him; makes me wonder if there's a method to that as this is not the first time those two have been paired. Vazquez picked a guy off second base in the opinion of ten thousand folks today, but not the guy in blue. He has a howitzer and an unbelievably quick release. I wrote something the other day ranking the five catchers here both offensively and defensively and I had Vazquez second defensively behind Ross. I'm not convinced that he might just be the best defensive catcher in camp. Speaking of catchers, Lavarnway hit some shots today but I believe had an 0 for 3 to show for it, while Ciriaco started one of our "rallies" with a base hit pop-up that fell between the two little-leaguers on the left side of Toronto's infield today. "You get it", "no you get it."

    Finally, and having nothing to do with the Sox, I went to their old training facility yesterday to watch a D3 college game that featured a couple kids who played on my Legion team. That was a great take as there were four college games being played at the complex at once, twelve for the day. My boys split a double header and one of my old pitchers spun a 3 hit shutout in the second game while my other guy went 3 for 8 playing right field in the DH. Life is good here on the gulf coast.

     
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    I'm with you on this one Boom.  I'm all for paying him and his retiring as a RS, but not for paying him more than the market value.  What you and Moon suggest as a fair offer probably would not have been matched by anyone else--and if it was, then he wouldn't be playing for them either.  Now we just have to hope he recovers and helps this team, which would be a huge boost.  

     
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    Jid, just have to keep telling you I like your takes on the games, some of your stuff is really funny ("He's too fat to be a major league outfielder...")  And some of it is really inciteful as today's views on the catchers...Thanks...

     
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    Have you guys seen the Cuba team. It seems like the entire team is packing 20 - 50 extra pounds. No wonder they are losing. Fidel is losing control and lots of the best players have defected. They just are not the same team they were before.

     

    I loved watching that Cuba vs Netherlands game though. Back and forth the whole game. Cuba tied them like 3 times and the Netherlands came back to win it in the 9th, even after losing 3 guys to injuries, including their 4th and 5th hitters. what a game. Every player was giving it their all.

     
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    Both Linares and Hassan were sent down today, in response to some comments above. Haven't even seen Hassan down here that I can recall and what I've seen of Linares is that he has pop, has little or no plate discipline and is too fat to be a major league outfielder.

    Buchholz looked great today and we actually started to put some hits together. Napoli looks very good at the plate and defensively. But he may lead the league in singles off the wall as he is very slow and the ball gets off the wall very quickly when he hits it.

    Bailey had a good inning for a change, and Miller gave up his first runs of the spring, having looked great up until today. Only saw Webster's first two innings (I missed Bradley's error and the unearned run) and he looks very sharp. Great velocity and lots of bite on his breaking pitches. He will be a keeper although I'm sure he spends most of his season in AAA barring injuries. Vazquez caught him; makes me wonder if there's a method to that as this is not the first time those two have been paired. Vazquez picked a guy off second base in the opinion of ten thousand folks today, but not the guy in blue. He has a howitzer and an unbelievably quick release. I wrote something the other day ranking the five catchers here both offensively and defensively and I had Vazquez second defensively behind Ross. I'm not convinced that he might just be the best defensive catcher in camp. Speaking of catchers, Lavarnway hit some shots today but I believe had an 0 for 3 to show for it, while Ciriaco started one of our "rallies" with a base hit pop-up that fell between the two little-leaguers on the left side of Toronto's infield today. "You get it", "no you get it."

    Finally, and having nothing to do with the Sox, I went to their old training facility yesterday to watch a D3 college game that featured a couple kids who played on my Legion team. That was a great take as there were four college games being played at the complex at once, twelve for the day. My boys split a double header and one of my old pitchers spun a 3 hit shutout in the second game while my other guy went 3 for 8 playing right field in the DH. Life is good here on the gulf coast.



    Great report, again. Thanks. I'm glad Naps is looking good. Hip injuries are tough to deal with.

     
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    Have you guys seen the Cuba team. It seems like the entire team is packing 20 - 50 extra pounds. No wonder they are losing. Fidel is losing control and lots of the best players have defected. They just are not the same team they were before.

     

    I loved watching that Cuba vs Netherlands game though. Back and forth the whole game. Cuba tied them like 3 times and the Netherlands came back to win it in the 9th, even after losing 3 guys to injuries, including their 4th and 5th hitters. what a game. Every player was giving it their all.



    Careful. Just mentioning Fidel will bring on the wrath of softy.

     
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    Isn't Linares Cuban? His body type would certainly fit.

     
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    Isn't Linares Cuban? His body type would certainly fit.




    He is. The Sox signed him, Iglesias and Adalberto Ibarra at the same time.

     
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    Haven't heard much about Ibarra.

     
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    Haven't heard much about Ibarra.




    Think hes in AA this year. Wasnt he injured?

     
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    Closers with control issues are too scary for my liking.




    One inning is different for some guys with control issues. Usually its because after a few innings they have trouble repeating the delivery or start overthrowing. Some are better suited to "let it fly" for one inning.

     
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    Isn't Linares Cuban? His body type would certainly fit.




     
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