A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    After two very disappointing seasons, although one was still a 90 win season, this team has earned some degree of cynicism. But after watching this team for the past five weeks, fifteen games and a couple workouts, I am convinced that this team will at the very least win more than they lose. For those of you who are too young to remember, that is what Dick Williams predicted in 1967 when he inherited a next-to-last place team that is now most responsible for creating the Red Sox nation as we now know it. They took advantage of a season without a super team, unfortunately except for the Cardinals in the NL, to win a very close pennant race. I am not ready to declare that this team will win a pennant this year, but I have seen a lot of the AL East teams, they're all here in Florida, and no one is going to run away with the division just as no one is going to be blown away and left behind. Every team in the division could win the division or finish last in the division, that's the way I see it. 

    The key word from many of the posts on this thread is "IF"! If Lester, if, Buch, if Lackey, if, Doubie, if Dempster, if Papi and so on. Not all of these lf's are going to have a positive outcome. I haven't seen Ortiz yet so I can't be too optimistic about him. But I can tell you that there is an energy here. It starts with the starters who have been working quickly, pounding the strike zone, and for the most part getting great results. Pedroia, Gomes, Napoli, Salty and Victorino are competitive veterans who hustle, who care, and who appear to be leading by example. The bullpen looks outstanding! And the defense looks at times, spectacular. Finally the kids; before this eason is over we will see very meaningful performances from Iglesias, Bradley Jr., Webster, Ciriaco, Holt, and one of either Linares of Hazelbaker. There is a ton of talent waiting in the wings.  

    It should be a fun ride! 

     




    I'm not sure the Cards were a great team in 67 either. Unfortunately for the Red Sox they did have one of the greatest pitchers who ever lived.

     



    Shows how much great pitching is usually the difference maker.

     
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    Lonborg wasn't that bad neither. Too bad that he got injured skiing the following winter.




    He wasn't Gibson though. If I recall correctly, Gibson won 3 games in that World Series.

     
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    Lonborg wasn't that bad neither. Too bad that he got injured skiing the following winter.

     




    He wasn't Gibson though. If I recall correctly, Gibson won 3 games in that World Series.

     



    Yes, including game 7 where he also homered.

     
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    The Cardinals were pretty solid with Brock, Maris, Cepeda, Flood, McCarver, but that guy on the mound was something very special.

     
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    Tonight's report from the fort...

    A very entertaining game with great pitching again. Lackey gave up a soft run in the first on a ground single, stolen base, bloop hit and a groundout making up the "rally". He pounded the strike zone again and had some very quick innings. Middlebrooks made a very nice play on a bunt and the rest of the defense was very good after the bloop fell in front of Gomes. Uhera, Miller, Hanrahan, Bailey and Carter were close to perfect.

    The offense wasn't great but did put together a five-run inning which featured a bases loaded triple by Victorino that was gift-wrapped by the Philly rightfielder who obviously thought Victorino threw a grenade out to right so he did everything in his power to avoid it. Pedey had two solid hits and was on base three times. Iggy dropped a perfect bunt single and lined out hard to center another time up. He should have had a bunt single the other day except for an outstanding play by Longoria. That could be a great addition to his game.

    I spent some time tonight talking to a couple from Portland Maine who are season ticket holders for the Sea Dogs. Their favorite player is Hazelbaker who they said could do anything and play all three outfield positions. They were also convinced that Bradley was going to be rookie of the year. The irony is that neither player played tonight. 

     
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    Jid, you should be on the front page of the sports section.

    Sounds like Iggy has had some hard luck getting his scorchers to fall for hits. It makes me wonder if 10 of them fell in as bloopers for hits, how many more posters would be calling for him to be our wire-to-wire SS this season.

     
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    After two very disappointing seasons, although one was still a 90 win season, this team has earned some degree of cynicism. But after watching this team for the past five weeks, fifteen games and a couple workouts, I am convinced that this team will at the very least win more than they lose. For those of you who are too young to remember, that is what Dick Williams predicted in 1967 when he inherited a next-to-last place team that is now most responsible for creating the Red Sox nation as we now know it. They took advantage of a season without a super team, unfortunately except for the Cardinals in the NL, to win a very close pennant race. I am not ready to declare that this team will win a pennant this year, but I have seen a lot of the AL East teams, they're all here in Florida, and no one is going to run away with the division just as no one is going to be blown away and left behind. Every team in the division could win the division or finish last in the division, that's the way I see it. 

    The key word from many of the posts on this thread is "IF"! If Lester, if, Buch, if Lackey, if, Doubie, if Dempster, if Papi and so on. Not all of these lf's are going to have a positive outcome. I haven't seen Ortiz yet so I can't be too optimistic about him. But I can tell you that there is an energy here. It starts with the starters who have been working quickly, pounding the strike zone, and for the most part getting great results. Pedroia, Gomes, Napoli, Salty and Victorino are competitive veterans who hustle, who care, and who appear to be leading by example. The bullpen looks outstanding! And the defense looks at times, spectacular. Finally the kids; before this eason is over we will see very meaningful performances from Iglesias, Bradley Jr., Webster, Ciriaco, Holt, and one of either Linares of Hazelbaker. There is a ton of talent waiting in the wings.  

    It should be a fun ride! 

     




    I'm not sure the Cards were a great team in 67 either. Unfortunately for the Red Sox they did have one of the greatest pitchers who ever lived.

     



    What that ear proved is that sometimes all ou need is one great pitcher to win sometimes. Lonborg and az were enough to get them over the top and into the WS. We had a lot of other plaers step up that ear of course but If a Buchholz wins 20 and Ells repeats 2011 we have a real shot right there in this division.

     
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    Jid, you should be on the front page of the sports section.

    Sounds like Iggy has had some hard luck getting his scorchers to fall for hits. It makes me wonder if 10 of them fell in as bloopers for hits, how many more posters would be calling for him to be our wire-to-wire SS this season.



    Moon, he's hitting around .220, but he's hit at least seven or eight shots that could easily have been hits. Now you're talking closer to .300 with the small number of spring training at bats. I'm not naive enough to think he could hit .300, but .230-.250 with a few wall balls mixed in with some timely sacrifices, and that spectacular D, you have your every day shortstop. I keep going back to Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel, neither of whom could hit when they started their careers, but both of them learned at the MLB level to be at least respectable hitters. After all, one's in the HOF and the other would get my vote to get in when eligible.

     
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    Jid, you should be on the front page of the sports section.

    Sounds like Iggy has had some hard luck getting his scorchers to fall for hits. It makes me wonder if 10 of them fell in as bloopers for hits, how many more posters would be calling for him to be our wire-to-wire SS this season.

     



    Moon, he's hitting around .220, but he's hit at least seven or eight shots that could easily have been hits. Now you're talking closer to .300 with the small number of spring training at bats. I'm not naive enough to think he could hit .300, but .230-.250 with a few wall balls mixed in with some timely sacrifices, and that spectacular D, you have your every day shortstop. I keep going back to Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel, neither of whom could hit when they started their careers, but both of them learned at the MLB level to be at least respectable hitters. After all, one's in the HOF and the other would get my vote to get in when eligible.

     




    Exactly. I don't see him hitting .300 either, but had those hits fallen this spring, I think we might be hearing a different tune from some of the small sample influenced judges.

    I never wish any harm to any player, but I'm glad Iggy might get a look to start the season.

     
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    No knock on Drew Moon, but this team is better with Iggy at short. I can count 8-10 hits already this season that he has stolen. When you add up outs created and pitches that don't have to be thrown as a result, the difference more than offsets the 20-30 points on a batting average that Drew would give us over Iggy.

     
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    No knock on Drew Moon, but this team is better with Iggy at short. I can count 8-10 hits already this season that he has stolen. When you add up outs created and pitches that don't have to be thrown as a result, the difference more than offsets the 20-30 points on a batting average that Drew would give us over Iggy.



    I have been saying this for years. I truely believe Iggy can save 60-120 hits over 160 games vs the average to worst ML SS today. If you add those hits to his offense, it might look something like this:

    100 for 500  .200  add 50 hits: .300, add 100 hits: .400

    110 for 500  .220  add 50 hits: .320, add 100 hits: .420

    125 for 500  .250  add 50: .350, add 100: .450, add 125: .500!

    Even if he just gets 20 BBs all year, his OBP coul be between .340 and .540 after adjusting for the defense.

     
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    I know Drew's defense had improved some before the freak ankle injury, but with the pin in his foot, I am not expecting great range from him when he returns. 

    Since 2003, Drew places 19th out of 24 SS in UZR/150 at -4.6.

    Since 2006, he places 17th out of 21 (19th in RngR).

     

    Iggy should be the man.

     
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    Is Aceves being stretched out for a trade?

     
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    Is Aceves being stretched out for a trade?



    i don't think so. i think he is being stretched out to be our spot starter. with Morales being hurt, Taz not being stretched out (big mistake), Wright not looking good and Mortenson a lackluster option as our 6th starter it falls onto Ace IMO. This is the right role for him and i think he will excell.

     
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    mefBig0

     
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    They could use Aceves as starter depth also and he may well be needed for that but my gut tells me a trade is imminent. Sometimes it is best to move problems before the welcome is completely worn out.

     
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    Send  him to Tito. I'm pretty sure they will need some starters this year also. Along with an entirely new team. I don't care how much they spent this off season. They still stink.

     
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    I'm still channelling Bill! I'm saying whatever comes to mind, early and often!

     
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    Is Aceves being stretched out for a trade?

     



    i don't think so. i think he is being stretched out to be our spot starter. with Morales being hurt, Taz not being stretched out (big mistake), Wright not looking good and Mortenson a lackluster option as our 6th starter it falls onto Ace IMO. This is the right role for him and i think he will excell.

     




    I don't think Taz should stretched.  He's excelling in the role he has now.  Leave it alone.

    We all know the stretch experiment with Bard.

    If the clock works, don't fix it.

     
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    Is Aceves being stretched out for a trade?

     



    i don't think so. i think he is being stretched out to be our spot starter. with Morales being hurt, Taz not being stretched out (big mistake), Wright not looking good and Mortenson a lackluster option as our 6th starter it falls onto Ace IMO. This is the right role for him and i think he will excell.

     

     




     

    I don't think Taz should stretched.  He's excelling in the role he has now.  Leave it alone.

    We all know the stretch experiment with Bard.

    If the clock works, don't fix it.



    it's not the same situation as with Bard. Bard was a starter in the minors, Failed THEN was made a reliever. Skyrocketed through the minors, dominated the majors as a setup man then failed as a starter again.

    With Taz, he was signed as a starter, demolished the opposition in the minors then got hurt and needed Tommy John. Once healed, To ease him arm back into starting shape they put him in the BP where he did so well they moved him to the majors.

    Taz has never been a failure as a starter whereas Bard was. Taz was just as dominant as a starter as he is now as a reliever. He should be stretched out and put back into his rightful place. the starting rotation. the kid has the nastiest stuff of all our pitchers and should be a starter. Any other role is a waste of premium pitching talent.

     
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    Naw, I'm with Amp on this one. Don't fix it. It's fine. If we really need to badly fine but I'd try to keep him in the pen.

     
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