In response to garyhow's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
If not happy with the 25 game sample @ MLB. Could always look at his 3 yrs in minors and a TOTAL of 38 XBH's in those 3 yrs or the .300 slg % or 600 ops in the minors. Look he shown vast improvement this spring, but if your not willing to accept 25 MLB games, why should we think 30 ST games is enough evidence to say he's ready when most of those AB's have been against minor league pitching?
When have I ever come close to even hinting at the slightest possibility that his ST offense has changed my position at all?
I have repeatedly said I don't think he needs to have even a .600 OPS to be a plus over Drew, and that OBP is more important than SLG%.
Look offensively there is no comparision. Drew had more XBH's in  year @ MLB level than Iglaesias had in  years in the minors COMBINED. While Iglesias is the better fielder hands down, its not like Drew is terrible like you try to make it out, he makes all the plays just doesn't have the range of of Iglesias, lets not try to make Drew out to be Eduardo Nunez of the Yanks. I like to think of Drew as more a Jeter @ SS and Iggy as Ozzie Smith before he learned to hit and hopefully Iggy will become a decent hitter just as Ozzie did. But must prove it IMO.
Drew does have a far better offensive record and 2013 projection than Iggy. I have never argued otherwise, in fact, I have hardly even praised Iggy for a decent ST this year. Iggy's offense has never been part of my argument on why he should play, other than to say something like, "I'm OK with a .600 OPS from him.
As for Drew's offense, I think he is a top 5-10 offensive SS when playing. He had a great SS offensive production year in 2008 and a decent one in 2010. He's still young enough to expect he can repeat that type of output or even better. I do not feel his .680ish OPS over the last 2 years is indicative of what we will see in 2013. If he plays, I expect him to be over .750, but probably not much higher than .825. His OPS will be heavily influenced by SLG% not OBP, so to me, the value is a bit inflated, but still an good to excellent SS number. I happen to think Iggy can and would save 60-100 hits (almost all singles) over 150 games. I'm OK with people disagreeing on that number, but I will continue to argue with anyone who accepts Iggy probably will make 80 more plays, but still thinks Drew and his .150 to .200 OPS disparity (but only maybe .50 in OBP) is enough to make him the better overall SS.
Think your 60- 100 # might be a bit of a stretch to say the least, Like I have previously stated watch a lot of Yankee games here in CT on a week I might see 1 or 2 plays that Jeter does not make that I feel a Iggy type SS would have made. If Drew hits 50 more just XBH's in just a season not to mention how many more base hits, how many TOTAL bases is that on the offensive side?
Just think he should go back to AAA when Drew is healthy and prove to everyone that he can hit better than he's shown in the past, and prove he's ready for the bigs. He does that then I don't care if they put Drew on the bench or trade, Iggy must prove he's ready first IMO and he has not done that as yet.
Yes, I understand your point. I get it. It has merit. However, you are misrepresenting my position.
Your position is strictly defense w/ very little emphisis on offense. If that were true than every team should just put out there best defensive players at every position. What makes a player great or a 5 tool player is that they can do evrything well not just defense. The best teams are the ones that can find the best combination of both.
No, I have been very specific about what the defense saves vs what I project the offensive disparity is likely to be. I think if they both got 500 PAs in 2013, Drew would likely get on base 40 more times and we could assume they would all be 40 XBHs. That's a huge disparity. Iggty will certainly snuff out many more rallies than Drew. Iggy might gain a little back with speed, but not significant enough to make a dent in that disparity. To me, saving 80 singles on defnse will greatly improve our pitching staff and have a rippling effect not easy to quantify (pitchers go deeper in a game, less pen stress, higher pitcher confidence, etc...). It outweighs 40 XBHS Drew gains on offense.
It's not a clear choice, but to me I'd go with Iggy for 150 games and look to trade Drew in June.
Look I love what I've seen from Iggy this ST, its just IMO needs to go to AAA prove not only to us, but himself that he can hit mlb pitching. If you make him the starter this yr and he fails miserably again, confidence wise might lose him forever. I'm not willing to take that chance, make him prove he is ready, thats all.
By the way Drew has proven to be better than league avg MLB SS when healthy. Might explain why he had a lot of interest this offseason.
Where's the proof? Fldg%?
The fact then when healthy his 6 seasons @ AZ he was a +12 WAR player not bad for a SS. The fact that he played very well for A's 2nd half last season as he finally recovered from horrific ankle injury. This notion that just because you have a pin in your foot your going to be a terrible defender? many players in all sports play w/ similar from past injuries, otherwise probably wouldn't have any players in NFL
I asked for proof he has "proven to be a better than league average SS when healthy". The only "proof" I see is the antiquated FLD% stat (6th out of 21 from 2007-2010, his healthy years). His WAR number is a reflection of his offense. His offense does not make him a plus defender.
I'm not saying the pin will make him terrible or even worse, but it should not help him improve to the plus side in 2013. I'm not sure how many NFL have pins in their ankles without losing a step.
Many athletes have come back from injuries even worse to perform even better than previous, did anyone think Adrian Peterson would come back from his injury to perform the way he did last yr.
He's bottom 3rd at best on UZR.
You know my feelings on defensive metrics, very judgemental. Someone sits in stands and determines if another would have made that play. Already talked about JJ Hardy and his great defensive play against RS on Sun as perfect example. He's the metrics guru?
He's only got votes on the Fielding Bible 2 times in his career: once he finished 17th and the other 12th.
and Jeter has won Gold Glove how many times. What does this prove?
That voters are insane.
anything that trusts the human eye can be judgemental, why I don't trust fielding metrics 100%
I trust the guys on the Fielding Bible panel more than those who vote for GG after seeing some players play maybe 1-3 games a year. They once voted a GG to a player who played something like 15 games at the position that year.
Name one Fielding Bible winner who was not a top 3 fielding player at his position that year.
Now, he has a pin in his foot. He is not top 15.
I know just because you have a pin in your foot might as well retire. You might be surprised if you knew how many athletes are playing w/ similar from previous injuries thru HS/College/minors. My son just finished his college football career and played 4 yrs w/ metal plate in his forearm from HS injury. Amazing what doctors can do these days? Wonder if you would think if Iggy had to get a pin in his foot would he suddenly become a terrible defensive player because of it?
Stop exxagerating my claim. All I have said is that we should not expect improvement from a 30 year old player with a relatively new pin in his ankle, who previously had very limited range at the most important range position at all levels of the game of baseball.
I'm sure the teams that were bidding for his services this offseason scouted him quite a bit at end of last season and were convinced he was not a liability as you make him out to be. Think the A's were pretty happy w/ what he did for them the 2nd half of last season, enough so to try and resign him.
If Iggy had a severe ankle injury, I'd expect less range, probably enough to make the Drew-Iggy call a toss-up or leaning to Drew. An ankle to a SS is pretty darn important for that first step, pivot plays, etc...
and no one though Adrian Peterson would rush for 2,000 yds last season coming off a MUCH MORE severe injury. Like I said I'm sure teams scouted him pretty well at end of last yr and were convinced he was not a liability in the field.