A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    coolstandings.com now has the Red Sox as the favorites to win the American League East, with a 51 percent chance of advancing to the postseason:

    http://www.coolstandings.com/baseball_standings.asp?sn=2013&i=1

    ... with the standard small-sample caveats.

     
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    Well Boom, I was sour and dour before ST, the RS didn't follow my offseason plan.  But I know at some point you said well, this is what they've done, it's not that bad, let's support 'em, etc. So I decided to root like I always do, and I have been pleasantly surprised early.  However, now don't be upset with Polly, but I am not as optimistic as you about 91-94 wins.  I honestly think it will be closer to 85 if our pitchers hold up--but I'm ok with that.  I really want us to bring along the young players this year and get them contributing:  Will-Da-Beast, Iggy, JBJ, Webster, Taz; if that happens, then I think that will be a good year for us.  To use gardening terms, I think we cut out some deadwood with the LA trade or maybe people that just didn't quite fit in here or had used up their goodwill here--people will vary on that-- but this gives the young kids that you always support a chance to come out of the shadows and grow.  

     
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    Well Boom, I was sour and dour before ST, the RS didn't follow my offseason plan.  But I know at some point you said well, this is what they've done, it's not that bad, let's support 'em, etc. So I decided to root like I always do, and I have been pleasantly surprised early.  However, now don't be upset with Polly, but I am not as optimistic as you about 91-94 wins.  I honestly think it will be closer to 85 if our pitchers hold up--but I'm ok with that.  I really want us to bring along the young players this year and get them contributing:  Will-Da-Beast, Iggy, JBJ, Webster, Taz; if that happens, then I think that will be a good year for us.  To use gardening terms, I think we cut out some deadwood with the LA trade or maybe people that just didn't quite fit in here or had used up their goodwill here--people will vary on that-- but this gives the young kids that you always support a chance to come out of the shadows and grow.  



    Well said. I'm feeling much better after this start, but I still know this team has some weaknesses, including that elusive 3rd big SP.

    I too, had hoped we took another route this winter, but as I have said before, counting the Dodger trade, I like our team better now than before the trade (or if we brought back Beckett, AGon and CC and their contracts).

    I'm a bit upset that Iggy will be ousted from the SS job, but I'm not surprised. I'm sure Ben thinks Drew offers a better full package, but I strongly disagree. I was for JBJ starting in AAA for 9 days to gain the extra year and not have to send him down for 20 days at some point later. I love the energy these two kids bring to the 25 man roster, but they may not be around long, sadly. 

    The Nava story will never get tiring. How can anyone not pull for this darkhorse. (Well, one clown isn't.)

    If Papi returns in form, I love the Nava/Gomes offensive platoon in LF, so maybe that can make up for the loss of Bradley's defense and energy building.

    It's nice to see Lester, Buch and Ellsbury start quickly. We need these 3 to have big years all at the same time to have a real shot this year... and then more.

    Love the 5-2 start. 2 more vs BAL, 4 vs TB, then 3 @ CLE, then home again for 10 games gives us a good chance to get a good lead (3 v KV, 3 v OAK, and 4 v HOU).

    GO SOX!

     

     
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    Congrats to Nathan for getting his 300th career save.  But did you guys see the last pitch he threw?  That was at least a feet away from the strike zone but the umpire called it a strike.  Even Nathan was a bit surprised.   LOL

     

     
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    I was hoping for some update on the Lackey situation today, but haven't heard of anything as of yet.  Has anyone?

    I know people disagree with me on this, but if Lackey is out for a while, I really hope Aceves rises to the occasion so that Taz can remain in his current outstanding position.  Actually, if Aceves isn't decent, Taz certainly has the capability of pitching multiple innings.  In effect, this would almost be similar to stretching him out.  It almost could be viewed as somewhat of a blessing if Aceves days with the team are numbered.  Then, it would be easier for him to slip into the starter role if necessary.

    Hopefully, the above scenario doesn't come true if Lackey is out only a brief period of time.

     
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    Congrats to Nathan for getting his 300th career save.  But did you guys see the last pitch he threw?  That was at least a feet away from the strike zone but the umpire called it a strike.  Even Nathan was a bit surprised.   LOL

     




    It was incredible!!

    Being an ex-pitcher, I feel the same way about umpires as Eckersley does.  I don't like most of them.

    A few years ago, I worked with a fellow who was once in umpire school.  He said that he was told to treat players like sheep...the umpires were the border collies and the players were sheep.  This, of course, didn't help my sentiment towards them..:) 

     
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    amp, I share you concern about Taz, but he may be our best pitcher right now, or at least 3rd best. He has been a starter most of his career, and I'd like to see him return to that role.

     
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    I was hoping for some update on the Lackey situation today, but haven't heard of anything as of yet.  Has anyone?

    I know people disagree with me on this, but if Lackey is out for a while, I really hope Aceves rises to the occasion so that Taz can remain in his current outstanding position.  Actually, if Aceves isn't decent, Taz certainly has the capability of pitching multiple innings.  In effect, this would almost be similar to stretching him out.  It almost could be viewed as somewhat of a blessing if Aceves days with the team are numbered.  Then, it would be easier for him to slip into the starter role if necessary.

    Hopefully, the above scenario doesn't come true if Lackey is out only a brief period of time.



    They are saying he didn't tear any muscle tissue, which I find hard to believe. Microscopic tears almost always occur with muscle strains. They are waiting for him to heal as much as he can in about 3 days before they decide about the DL.

     
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    Moon, I certainly can also understand your feeling about Taz.  And yes, he's outstanding.

    Yet, if Aceves is history down the road..and he certainly isn't making many friends in the FO, and Lackey takes longer than expected to heal..even if he's back sooner than later, who's our long inning guy? Mortensen? Morales?..if/when he's ready.

    Can you see Doubront and Taz flip-flopping?

    I don't see anyone else on the roster who's a multiple inning guy.  Unless they DFA Carp and pick someone up.

    I'm first to admit that I'm not as deeply into it as you and some of the others are, but I think that taking Taz out of his present role will open a huge hole.  Although I certainly can see that picking up a long inning guy would be an easier option than 'wasting' a talent like Taz in his present role if other starters aren't working out. 

     
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    I was hoping for some update on the Lackey situation today, but haven't heard of anything as of yet.  Has anyone?

    I know people disagree with me on this, but if Lackey is out for a while, I really hope Aceves rises to the occasion so that Taz can remain in his current outstanding position.  Actually, if Aceves isn't decent, Taz certainly has the capability of pitching multiple innings.  In effect, this would almost be similar to stretching him out.  It almost could be viewed as somewhat of a blessing if Aceves days with the team are numbered.  Then, it would be easier for him to slip into the starter role if necessary.

    Hopefully, the above scenario doesn't come true if Lackey is out only a brief period of time.

     



    They are saying he didn't tear any muscle tissue, which I find hard to believe. Microscopic tears almost always occur with muscle strains. They are waiting for him to heal as much as he can in about 3 days before they decide about the DL.

     




    True...hell, there are microtears everytime someone pitches.  It's why they wear about 50lbs of ice on their arms and shoulders after an outing.

    Let's hope it heals fast.  His outing was really decent considering everything.

     
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    I would definitely leave Tazawa right where he is. He's not stretched out and we have others ready for the back up starter role. I'm not digging the Aceves option but Lackey may only be out for 2-3 weeks. Maybe even less.

    For deeper starter depth Webster would be getting my phone call if a starter is out more than a month. I wouldn't go with Wright but Ranaudo and Workman are both doing well down in AA ball. Hernandez is not a horrible option. We have some depth.

    Ranaudo had an excellent start today. I think he is on the comeback trail. Better velocity and health than last year. He still has excellent potential.

     
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    Moon, you are slowly making your way to Pollyannaville. And you are welcome on that train.

     
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    Lackey will be a strong number three IF he is healthy. Right now I'm trying to convince myself what he felt was an adhesion. Wasn't he touching 95? The guy was airing it out. If he's hurt or can't stay healthy it's a major blow. 

    I'm sold on Tazawa as a starter. Long relief is a waste of his talent. The idea is to use him in games where the team is down big early?

    If there are medical concerns then no, but he is way younger and much further removed from his elbow surgery than Lackey. 

    Doubront I'm not sold on. He's not a kid anymore. He's shown he can pitch really well, but he needs to make a move this year. He was better last year than his ERA showed. I'm willing to toss out his bad patch, because he recovered, and pitched well. The conditioning issues concern me. If he was a bit out of shape and pitching great I wouldn't care, but he isn't pitching great, and even if his conditioning is not a factor the club wants him in shape. The fact he shows up a bit out of shape for a second time after the heat he got the last time worries me. 

     

     
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    Moon, I certainly can also understand your feeling about Taz.  And yes, he's outstanding.

    Yet, if Aceves is history down the road..and he certainly isn't making many friends in the FO, and Lackey takes longer than expected to heal..even if he's back sooner than later, who's our long inning guy? Mortensen? Morales?..if/when he's ready.

    I like Mortensen, and we have Webster as well. Morales would be great, but I'm not counting on his health.

    Can you see Doubront and Taz flip-flopping?

    I wanted to trade Doubront with others to upgrade at SP or clean-up hitter (J Upton) and put Taz at the 5 slot.

    I don't see anyone else on the roster who's a multiple inning guy.  Unless they DFA Carp and pick someone up.

    I still think Aceves can regain his dominance in that role. I do not think he should start except in an emergency.

    I'm first to admit that I'm not as deeply into it as you and some of the others are, but I think that taking Taz out of his present role will open a huge hole.  Although I certainly can see that picking up a long inning guy would be an easier option than 'wasting' a talent like Taz in his present role if other starters aren't working out. 

    We have Hanrahan and Bailey. Miller is awesome vs LHPs, and when  Breslow returns, we can probably afford to move Taz to starter.

    Yes, he has been helpful in the relief role, but look at what our 3-5 starters have done and project to do. Taz can give us 4-7 IP instead of 1-2.

     
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    Moon, you are slowly making your way to Pollyannaville. And you are welcome on that train.




    I'm definitely on it!!

    This past winter, I never thought in a 1000 yrs. I'd feel this way.  Actually, sadly, I thought I was 'losing' it.

    This team is exciting.  It seems like EVERYONE is on the same page.

     
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    Amp, it's more fun when we have worthy opponents also isn't it. To me, Baltimore, TB and Toronto all have solid teams. We forget that Bautista might be the best hitter in baseball and he wasn't playing the other day. Beurhle, Johnson and Happ are all pretty solid and we can't rule out last year's NL Cy Young award winner after 2 games. Toronto is not going to be easy to beat. Look at their SS also. Is there anyone any better?

    With all issues regarding wanting Iggy at SS, and don't we all want that just about, I've gotta give Drew one advantage. He helps our lineup against RH pitching especially:

     

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Middlebrooks

    Drew

    Nava

    Salty

    Victorino

    Just a wild guess but Drew probably improves the lineup against RH significantly and that is pretty important also.

     
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    Amp, it's more fun when we have worthy opponents also isn't it. To me, Baltimore, TB and Toronto all have solid teams. We forget that Bautista might be the best hitter in baseball and he wasn't playing the other day. Beurhle, Johnson and Happ are all pretty solid and we can't rule out last year's NL Cy Young award winner after 2 games. Toronto is not going to be easy to beat. Look at their SS also. Is there anyone any better?

    With all issues regarding wanting Iggy at SS, and don't we all want that just about, I've gotta give Drew one advantage. He helps our lineup against RH pitching especially:

     

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Middlebrooks

    Drew

    Nava

    Salty

    Victorino

    Just a wild guess but Drew probably improves the lineup against RH significantly and that is pretty important also.

     




      We'll just have to see how it plays out.  But, I don't think anyone can deny that Drew certainly adds more offense.

    So, You read my post on a different thread concerning Weaver's injury?

    I wonder what the difference is in batting averages at the Rogers Center as compared to places that have natural surfaces.  I think that artificial stuff should be banned...from probably inflating offense to ruining athlete's knees.

     
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    Amp, it's more fun when we have worthy opponents also isn't it. To me, Baltimore, TB and Toronto all have solid teams. We forget that Bautista might be the best hitter in baseball and he wasn't playing the other day. Beurhle, Johnson and Happ are all pretty solid and we can't rule out last year's NL Cy Young award winner after 2 games. Toronto is not going to be easy to beat. Look at their SS also. Is there anyone any better?

    With all issues regarding wanting Iggy at SS, and don't we all want that just about, I've gotta give Drew one advantage. He helps our lineup against RH pitching especially:

     

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Middlebrooks

    Drew

    Nava

    Salty

    Victorino

    Just a wild guess but Drew probably improves the lineup against RH significantly and that is pretty important also.

     




      We'll just have to see how it plays out.  But, I don't think anyone can deny that Drew certainly adds more offense.

    So, You read my post on a different thread concerning Weaver's injury?

    I wonder what the difference is in batting averages at the Rogers Center as compared to places that have natural surfaces.  I think that artificial stuff should be banned...from probably inflating offense to ruining athlete's knees.



    yeah but then what to domed stadiums do? especially in places like Canada and florida where the weather can be frequently dreadful throughout the season. I would like to see it banned too but i just don't think it's feasable

     
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    Moon, good to see alot of possitives for RS 1st week of season. Lester / Buchholz being the biggest [Its all about the pitching!] SV and Gomes have been as advertised, bullpen has been very good [still some worries w/ Hanrahan - but hopefully just some nerves w/ new team] JBJ needs to start hitting again or face a demotion when Ortiz is ready [which wouldn't be the worst thing - let him spend his 20 days on farm then bring him back] Ells /Pedroia /Middlebrooks all look primed for big years. But have to admit biggest surprise has been Iggy and his offense, you might be right, he looks ready. Doesn't have to give us a lot of offense just some and has done more than that early. Probably will see Drew shortly but at least he knows he'll need to perform if Iggy continues to perform well in AAA. Good problem to have! But all early signs have been positive and hopefully Lackey only a temporary setback he looked good in his 1st start. But for a change talking about positives w/ RS, not negatives as been last few yrs. Still early though. 

    Very early, and like all teams, the Sox will go through a rough patch or two before all is said and done. Let's see how they handle it. Let's see how we handle it.




    P.S. Cecchini and Marrero had 7 hits combined yesterday. Keep them coming. Middlebrooks better start working on his 1B defense. Could see Cecchini @ 3B / Iggy SS / Boegarts LF / Middlebrooks 1B in the not to distant future.

     
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    Moon, you are slowly making your way to Pollyannaville. And you are welcome on that train.

     




     

    I'm definitely on it!!

    This past winter, I never thought in a 1000 yrs. I'd feel this way.  Actually, sadly, I thought I was 'losing' it.

    This team is exciting.  It seems like EVERYONE is on the same page.

     



    I still see 85 wins, but I am more optimistic about the upside potential, if we get no more major injuries. The Morales, Papi, Breslow, and now Lackey injuries are not a good sign of having a great healthy season.

     

     
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    Lackey will be a strong number three IF he is healthy. Right now I'm trying to convince myself what he felt was an adhesion. Wasn't he touching 95? The guy was airing it out. If he's hurt or can't stay healthy it's a major blow. 

    I'm sold on Tazawa as a starter. Long relief is a waste of his talent. The idea is to use him in games where the team is down big early?

    If there are medical concerns then no, but he is way younger and much further removed from his elbow surgery than Lackey. 

    Doubront I'm not sold on. He's not a kid anymore. He's shown he can pitch really well, but he needs to make a move this year. He was better last year than his ERA showed. I'm willing to toss out his bad patch, because he recovered, and pitched well. The conditioning issues concern me. If he was a bit out of shape and pitching great I wouldn't care, but he isn't pitching great, and even if his conditioning is not a factor the club wants him in shape. The fact he shows up a bit out of shape for a second time after the heat he got the last time worries me. 

     



    You do know that Tazawa is older than Doubront right?

     
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    Lackey will be a strong number three IF he is healthy. Right now I'm trying to convince myself what he felt was an adhesion. Wasn't he touching 95? The guy was airing it out. If he's hurt or can't stay healthy it's a major blow. 

    I'm sold on Tazawa as a starter. Long relief is a waste of his talent. The idea is to use him in games where the team is down big early?

    If there are medical concerns then no, but he is way younger and much further removed from his elbow surgery than Lackey. 

    Doubront I'm not sold on. He's not a kid anymore. He's shown he can pitch really well, but he needs to make a move this year. He was better last year than his ERA showed. I'm willing to toss out his bad patch, because he recovered, and pitched well. The conditioning issues concern me. If he was a bit out of shape and pitching great I wouldn't care, but he isn't pitching great, and even if his conditioning is not a factor the club wants him in shape. The fact he shows up a bit out of shape for a second time after the heat he got the last time worries me. 

     

     



    You do know that Tazawa is older than Doubront right?

     



    Tazawa is also a much much better pitcher than doobie thougbh

     
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    Amp, it's more fun when we have worthy opponents also isn't it. To me, Baltimore, TB and Toronto all have solid teams. We forget that Bautista might be the best hitter in baseball and he wasn't playing the other day. Beurhle, Johnson and Happ are all pretty solid and we can't rule out last year's NL Cy Young award winner after 2 games. Toronto is not going to be easy to beat. Look at their SS also. Is there anyone any better?

    With all issues regarding wanting Iggy at SS, and don't we all want that just about, I've gotta give Drew one advantage. He helps our lineup against RH pitching especially:

     

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Middlebrooks

    Drew

    Nava

    Salty

    Victorino

    Just a wild guess but Drew probably improves the lineup against RH significantly and that is pretty important also.

     




      We'll just have to see how it plays out.  But, I don't think anyone can deny that Drew certainly adds more offense.

    So, You read my post on a different thread concerning Weaver's injury?

    I wonder what the difference is in batting averages at the Rogers Center as compared to places that have natural surfaces.  I think that artificial stuff should be banned...from probably inflating offense to ruining athlete's knees.

     



    yeah but then what to domed stadiums do? especially in places like Canada and florida where the weather can be frequently dreadful throughout the season. I would like to see it banned too but i just don't think it's feasable

     




    With the attendance in Florida, I'm not sure even having any teams there is a good idea.

    Aren't some domed places translucent?

     
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    Amp, it's more fun when we have worthy opponents also isn't it. To me, Baltimore, TB and Toronto all have solid teams. We forget that Bautista might be the best hitter in baseball and he wasn't playing the other day. Beurhle, Johnson and Happ are all pretty solid and we can't rule out last year's NL Cy Young award winner after 2 games. Toronto is not going to be easy to beat. Look at their SS also. Is there anyone any better?

    With all issues regarding wanting Iggy at SS, and don't we all want that just about, I've gotta give Drew one advantage. He helps our lineup against RH pitching especially:

     

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Middlebrooks

    Drew

    Nava

    Salty

    Victorino

    Just a wild guess but Drew probably improves the lineup against RH significantly and that is pretty important also.

     




      We'll just have to see how it plays out.  But, I don't think anyone can deny that Drew certainly adds more offense.

    So, You read my post on a different thread concerning Weaver's injury?

    I wonder what the difference is in batting averages at the Rogers Center as compared to places that have natural surfaces.  I think that artificial stuff should be banned...from probably inflating offense to ruining athlete's knees.

     



    yeah but then what to domed stadiums do? especially in places like Canada and florida where the weather can be frequently dreadful throughout the season. I would like to see it banned too but i just don't think it's feasable

     

     




     

    With the attendance in Florida, I'm not sure even having any teams there is a good idea.

    Aren't some domed places translucent?



    not sure, never been to any MLB park besides fenway. and usually the cameras aren't pointed at the roof either lol.

     
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