A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Darvish is due for a bad game, but I guess you could say the same for Jon.

     
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    Darvish is due for a bad game, but I guess you could say the same for Jon.



    I'm hoping Lester's last game was his bad game. ;)

     
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    Darvish is due for a bad game, but I guess you could say the same for Jon.

     



    I'm hoping Lester's last game washis bad game. ;)

     



    He's usually a bit of a slow starter, so it's nice to see the gtreat start.

    2012: 1st 4 starts: 24 IP  16 ER 36 H + BB

    2011: 1st 3 starts: 17.1 IP 8 ER 22 H + BB

    2010: 1st 3 starts: 16 IP  15 ER  30 H + BB

    2009: 1st 8 starts: 47 IP  29 ER 65 H + BB

    2008: 1st 5 starts: 31.2 IP 19 ER  57 H + BB

    combined:

    23 starts  136 IP  99 ER  210 H + BB

    ERA  6.55

    WHIP 2.121

     

     
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    4/30 Lester vs Morrow  Sox 4-1

    5/1  Buch vs Buehrle  Jays 3-2

    5/2  Demp vs Happ  Sox 9-4

    5/3  Doub vs Holland  Rangers 7-5

    5/4  Lackey vs Ogando Sox 8-3

    5/5 Lester vs ???  ???



    Still loving ol' Felix Doubront, hey Moon! ;)

     
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    Lackey is our #3 SP; Dempster is our #4. Doubront is our #5 but is expendable. Wonder how Doubront compares to other #5 SP in the AL.

     



    Well, ERA+ is a nice simple measure.  Doubront's is exactly 100 right now.  I doubt there are many #5 starters with an ERA+ of 100 or better.

     

     



    There are 124 MLB SPs with over 20 IP this year.

     

    Doubront is slotted at #98 in WHIP.

    He's #119 in BB% (12.6%).

    He's #77 in ERA... not bad for a 5th starter, but if keeps walking guys at a 13% rate, it will be going up, up, and away.

     



     

    Too funny, Moon.  We can all manipulate stats. Doubront walked 3 guys in the first, 1 in the second and then pitched into the 7th without walking another guy.  I'd say he settled down.  In his first start, he didn't walk anybody, in another start, 3 of his walks were in one inning again. They are going to change his pre-game routine to see if it helps, but again, he's a 25 year-old lefty with filthy stuff, so don't expect them to be "trading" this guy any time soon.  The "patience" on this board is non-existent, but still, give the guy a chance to develop.

    Also, let's look at his "not bad for a #5" e.r.a another way.  There are 30 teams with a 5 man rotation, which means there should be 150 "regular" starters.  He's in the middle at #77, so I'd say he's not bad for a #3 starter so far.  

    You are a little hung up on the WHIP thing, but the fact that half of his walks this year occurred in two innings of work should temper the concern a little. I realize that you don't like the guy because his off-season workout plans don't impress you, but he's young, talented and under team control.  I don't see him going anywhere, especially when you consider they will likely extend Lester by the end of this year and Buchholz by the end of next year. 



    Moon and his whip....lol, gotta love it. How about WINS. Give me 12/14 W,s from my 5 guy who is CHEAP and has very good UPSIDE all day long. I have never seen Moon tell us who we would trade him for? 

     
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    Moon, as far as a game in July, I don't know who else has responded but since I'm in Maine anyway and close, I will be completely open and flexible.  Whatever date(s) work for those coming the furthest will be fine for me.  I hope Boom will come so he can fill us in on all the prospects and Jid so we can watch his interview techniques...

     
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    Doubront has been a decent #4 pitcher so far with 3 wins and a 4.20 ERA isn't that bad. Hopefully he will keep improving as he is still young and cheap. We have to factor in the cost in these equations and he cost next to nothing for a starting pitcher. What if he does continue to develop? He will be a valuable contributor to the tream for years to come or a solid trade piece. At minimum probably good starter depth with options. His stuff, age, experience all indicate he will improve.

     

    I see no indication of improvement. Yes, he has the talent, but he looks no better now than he was 2 years ago. His BB/9 has gone up from 4.0 to 5.0 from 2012 to 2013. It's early, but as The Smith's once sang, "How Soon Is Now?"




    I had to reply to Moon, since I noticed that he referenced The Smith's. I know how frustrating Doubront can be with the walks, the hight pitch counts, the taxing of the bullpen, etc... But the talent is there and it is undeniable.  He has swing and miss stuff, which hurts him some because he could help his pitch count out a lot by pitching to more contact and letting the defense make plays behind him.  He doesn't have a long ball problem like a sinker baller who is missing up in the zone.  Don't forget that 25 yr old lefties that are under team control and have struck out over a batter an inning and have won 11 games on a 69 win team are hard to come by.  Really hard.  Lots of lefties don't harness their control until they are in their upper twenties.  His WHIP may never be down below 1.20, but how many #4/5 starters will be?  As Morrisey would say in the song you mentioned, "[He's] only human and he needs to be loved"...  Where is your love for FD, Moon?

     

     
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    4/30 Lester vs Morrow  Sox 4-1

    5/1  Buch vs Buehrle  Jays 3-2

    5/2  Demp vs Happ  Sox 9-4

    5/3  Doub vs Holland  Rangers 7-5

    5/4  Lackey vs Ogando Sox 8-3

    5/5 Lester vs ???  ???

     



    Still loving ol' Felix Doubront, hey Moon! ;)

     



    I doubt we win them all, so if I have to choose a loss herre and there, which pitcher is most likely to lose?

     
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    Lackey is our #3 SP; Dempster is our #4. Doubront is our #5 but is expendable. Wonder how Doubront compares to other #5 SP in the AL.

     



    Well, ERA+ is a nice simple measure.  Doubront's is exactly 100 right now.  I doubt there are many #5 starters with an ERA+ of 100 or better.

     

     



    There are 124 MLB SPs with over 20 IP this year.

     

    Doubront is slotted at #98 in WHIP.

    He's #119 in BB% (12.6%).

    He's #77 in ERA... not bad for a 5th starter, but if keeps walking guys at a 13% rate, it will be going up, up, and away.

     



     

    Too funny, Moon.  We can all manipulate stats. Doubront walked 3 guys in the first, 1 in the second and then pitched into the 7th without walking another guy.  I'd say he settled down.  In his first start, he didn't walk anybody, in another start, 3 of his walks were in one inning again. They are going to change his pre-game routine to see if it helps, but again, he's a 25 year-old lefty with filthy stuff, so don't expect them to be "trading" this guy any time soon.  The "patience" on this board is non-existent, but still, give the guy a chance to develop.

    Also, let's look at his "not bad for a #5" e.r.a another way.  There are 30 teams with a 5 man rotation, which means there should be 150 "regular" starters.  He's in the middle at #77, so I'd say he's not bad for a #3 starter so far.  

    You are a little hung up on the WHIP thing, but the fact that half of his walks this year occurred in two innings of work should temper the concern a little. I realize that you don't like the guy because his off-season workout plans don't impress you, but he's young, talented and under team control.  I don't see him going anywhere, especially when you consider they will likely extend Lester by the end of this year and Buchholz by the end of next year. 

     



    Moon and his whip....lol, gotta love it. How about WINS. Give me 12/14 W,s from my 5 guy who is CHEAP and has very good UPSIDE all day long. I have never seen Moon tell us who we would trade him for? 

     



    You must not be looking. I made many trade suggestions this past winter. One was Doubront, Salty and Iggy (since I did not think Ben would ever start him) to oakland for B Anderson. (B.A. is doing very badly now.)

    I suggested Doubront and Lester to KC for Butler (B4 Naps signed) and Myers. (If we were sure we would not extend Lester.)

    I suggested Doubront, Bradley, DLR, and Cecchini to AZ for Upton.

    There were more.

     
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    Doubront has been a decent #4 pitcher so far with 3 wins and a 4.20 ERA isn't that bad. Hopefully he will keep improving as he is still young and cheap. We have to factor in the cost in these equations and he cost next to nothing for a starting pitcher. What if he does continue to develop? He will be a valuable contributor to the tream for years to come or a solid trade piece. At minimum probably good starter depth with options. His stuff, age, experience all indicate he will improve.

     

    I see no indication of improvement. Yes, he has the talent, but he looks no better now than he was 2 years ago. His BB/9 has gone up from 4.0 to 5.0 from 2012 to 2013. It's early, but as The Smith's once sang, "How Soon Is Now?"

     




    I had to reply to Moon, since I noticed that he referenced The Smith's. I know how frustrating Doubront can be with the walks, the hight pitch counts, the taxing of the bullpen, etc... But the talent is there and it is undeniable.  He has swing and miss stuff, which hurts him some because he could help his pitch count out a lot by pitching to more contact and letting the defense make plays behind him.  He doesn't have a long ball problem like a sinker baller who is missing up in the zone.  Don't forget that 25 yr old lefties that are under team control and have struck out over a batter an inning and have won 11 games on a 69 win team are hard to come by.  Really hard.  Lots of lefties don't harness their control until they are in their upper twenties.  His WHIP may never be down below 1.20, but how many #4/5 starters will be?  As Morrisey would say in the song you mentioned, "[He's] only human and he needs to be loved"...  Where is your love for FD, Moon?

     

     



    "You should be bludgeoned in your bed!"  LOL!

    I have repeatedly said Doubront has nasty stuff and tremendous potential. That is the main reason his trade stock is much higher than his performance record so far. Other GMs feel the same way you do. They would possibly overpay for him. If not, I'm for keeping him. I'm not for giving away great potential, but his attitude scares me, and his WHIP is frustrating. Yes, I value WHIP very highly and always have. To me, it is a true measure of a pitchers effectiveness. I've never been as high on K's as most. ERA+ is valuable as well, but I value WHIP equally for starters and more so for releivers.

     
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    Moon, as far as a game in July, I don't know who else has responded but since I'm in Maine anyway and close, I will be completely open and flexible.  Whatever date(s) work for those coming the furthest will be fine for me.  I hope Boom will come so he can fill us in on all the prospects and Jid so we can watch his interview techniques...



    As we get closer, we will firm up the plans to maximize participation.

     
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    4/30 Lester vs Morrow  Sox 4-1

    5/1  Buch vs Buehrle  Jays 3-2

    5/2  Demp vs Happ  Sox 9-4

    5/3  Doub vs Holland  Rangers 7-5

    5/4  Lackey vs Ogando Sox 8-3

    5/5 Lester vs ???  ???

     



    Still loving ol' Felix Doubront, hey Moon! ;)

     

     



    I doubt we win them all, so if I have to choose a loss herre and there, which pitcher is most likely to lose?

     



    It's not the "loss," Moon, it's the 7 runs.  It can certainly happen, but you predicted the other team scoring 6 runs last game and 7 runs this game in his two starts.  Seems a little odd to predict those numbers for a guy who hasn't given up more than 3 runs in 8 straight starts dating back to last season. 

     
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    4/30 Lester vs Morrow  Sox 4-1

    5/1  Buch vs Buehrle  Jays 3-2

    5/2  Demp vs Happ  Sox 9-4

    5/3  Doub vs Holland  Rangers 7-5

    5/4  Lackey vs Ogando Sox 8-3

    5/5 Lester vs ???  ???

     



    Still loving ol' Felix Doubront, hey Moon! ;)

     

     



    I doubt we win them all, so if I have to choose a loss herre and there, which pitcher is most likely to lose?

     

     



    It's not the "loss," Moon, it's the 7 runs.  It can certainly happen, but you predicted the other team scoring 6 runs last game and 7 runs this game in his two starts.  Seems a little odd to predict those numbers for a guy who hasn't given up more than 3 runs in 8 straight starts dating back to last season. 

     



    Texas has a very good offense and they will be at home. Maybe our en will give up some of those 7 runs.

    I don't see our starters giving up 3 or less forever.

     
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    I think moonslav's concerns about Doubront are justified, but for now I am happy with a #4 with real talent, despite his still inconsistency.  As for other teams over-valueing him, I don't see how that works, that is, how the FO can turn it to our advantage.  To me the best bet is to develop him further and keep him in the rotation, exactly what happened to Buchholz. 

    Also, I sort of disagree with Ted Williams that the hardest skill in sports to master is hitting a round ball with a round bat squarely. 

    I think consistently hitting the corners with a variety of breaking and straighter pitches which have to be thrown so hard they risk injuring your arm/wrist is a more demanding skill, especially when you have to do it 100 or more times every start.    Consequently, even though I actually get  mad at pitchers during a game, I am inclined to cut them a lot of slack.  There is a reason why 12 of 25 players on most MLB rosters are pitchers.  It's really hard to do well.  So moonslav should get off Doubront's back. 

     
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    Moon, as far as a game in July, I don't know who else has responded but since I'm in Maine anyway and close, I will be completely open and flexible.  Whatever date(s) work for those coming the furthest will be fine for me.  I hope Boom will come so he can fill us in on all the prospects and Jid so we can watch his interview techniques...



    Interview techniques? i just ask a lot of questions. Seriously, the atmosphere at spring Training is very relaxed and if you approach the players casually, and not try to stuff a pen and autograph book in front of them, they are pretty happy to talk. It also doesn't hurt to be pushing an old guy in a wheelchair. The conversation I had with Daniel Nava didn't even happen at the ballpark; it was at a coffee shop on their day off.

    I live in Western Mass, about 200 miles from Portland, but my wife and I make several trips up there every summer, both to Old Orchard beach and the Saco river. I would like to meet as many of you as can possibly make it. We all have at least one thing in common. Either weekend works for me.

     
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    As for the great April, I knew they would be better than last year. I also predicted that they would win more than they lost. I did not expect them to be this good. They pitched very well in Spring Training, most of the losses and bad numbers were attributed to guys who never made the trip north with the big league club. It's the offense and defense that is performing much better than in Spring Training. Nava, Victorino and Napoli have all produced above and beyond what I though they would produce. But the wins are coming with no homers from Pedroia and only one from Ellsbury, little or nothing from Drew, Middlebrooks, and Gomes, and with Ortiz only in the lineup for nine games! So while the early season over-achievers are not likely to maintain their paces, the under-achievers should be ready to balance the lineup as the season progresses. I like it a lot!!

     
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    I think moonslav's concerns about Doubront are justified, but for now I am happy with a #4 with real talent, despite his still inconsistency.  As for other teams over-valueing him, I don't see how that works, that is, how the FO can turn it to our advantage.  To me the best bet is to develop him further and keep him in the rotation, exactly what happened to Buchholz. 

    Also, I sort of disagree with Ted Williams that the hardest skill in sports to master is hitting a round ball with a round bat squarely. 

    I think consistently hitting the corners with a variety of breaking and straighter pitches which have to be thrown so hard they risk injuring your arm/wrist is a more demanding skill, especially when you have to do it 100 or more times every start.    Consequently, even though I actually get  mad at pitchers during a game, I am inclined to cut them a lot of slack.  There is a reason why 12 of 25 players on most MLB rosters are pitchers.  It's really hard to do well.  So moonslav should get off Doubront's back. 



    Hey, if Doub keeps letting up a little over 4 runs per nine innings, I'll be happy too. I'm just not convinced it will, if he keep walking 4-5 per 9 IP.

    A 4.24 ERA for a 5th starter is very very good. I hope he does it (or better). I think he can do it (or better). He is super talented.

    I don't mean to seem like I am jumping on him, and I know I have a tendancy to harp on the weakest link. I'm really pulling for Felix. I hope he proves me wrong, rededicates himself, and straightens out the control issues soon.

     
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    Moon, as far as a game in July, I don't know who else has responded but since I'm in Maine anyway and close, I will be completely open and flexible.  Whatever date(s) work for those coming the furthest will be fine for me.  I hope Boom will come so he can fill us in on all the prospects and Jid so we can watch his interview techniques...

     



    Interview techniques? i just ask a lot of questions. Seriously, the atmosphere at spring Training is very relaxed and if you approach the players casually, and not try to stuff a pen and autograph book in front of them, they are pretty happy to talk. It also doesn't hurt to be pushing an old guy in a wheelchair. The conversation I had with Daniel Nava didn't even happen at the ballpark; it was at a coffee shop on their day off.

     

    I live in Western Mass, about 200 miles from Portland, but my wife and I make several trips up there every summer, both to Old Orchard beach and the Saco river. I would like to meet as many of you as can possibly make it. We all have at least one thing in common. Either weekend works for me.



    We canoed the Saco last summer.

    I spent many a day at OOB as a teen and in my early 20's. I think Burrito used to have a  burrito shack on the pier.

     
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    As for the great April, I knew they would be better than last year. I also predicted that they would win more than they lost. I did not expect them to be this good. They pitched very well in Spring Training, most of the losses and bad numbers were attributed to guys who never made the trip north with the big league club. It's the offense and defense that is performing much better than in Spring Training. Nava, Victorino and Napoli have all produced above and beyond what I though they would produce. But the wins are coming with no homers from Pedroia and only one from Ellsbury, little or nothing from Drew, Middlebrooks, and Gomes, and with Ortiz only in the lineup for nine games! So while the early season over-achievers are not likely to maintain their paces, the under-achievers should be ready to balance the lineup as the season progresses. I like it a lot!!



    This has been great, but a 72% win rate will be hard to continue. We need to milk this hopt streak as long as possible. We know there will be tough stretches ahead, but let's hope they will be short and not too often.

     
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    As for the great April, I knew they would be better than last year. I also predicted that they would win more than they lost. I did not expect them to be this good. They pitched very well in Spring Training, most of the losses and bad numbers were attributed to guys who never made the trip north with the big league club. It's the offense and defense that is performing much better than in Spring Training. Nava, Victorino and Napoli have all produced above and beyond what I though they would produce. But the wins are coming with no homers from Pedroia and only one from Ellsbury, little or nothing from Drew, Middlebrooks, and Gomes, and with Ortiz only in the lineup for nine games! So while the early season over-achievers are not likely to maintain their paces, the under-achievers should be ready to balance the lineup as the season progresses. I like it a lot!!

     



    This has been great, but a 72% win rate will be hard to continue. We need to milk this hopt streak as long as possible. We know there will be tough stretches ahead, but let's hope they will be short and not too often.

     




    Moon your absolutely correct this team will not win 72% of its games. It will go trough a slump or 2 and that will tell us how good this team will be when the times get tough how do they respond. I still believe they are a 90 win team at best, which may or may not be good enough for playoffs. Most of Ben's moves have turned to the plus side, besides Hanrahans inconsistencies [injured hamstring- not convinced] and Drew [concussion- thought their was no reason to rush him back w/ Iggy playing so well] Ross/Victorino/Gomes have been as advertised and Dempster has been excellent. While many on this thread wanted Haren / McCarthy / Greinke and others Dempster for 1st mos has been terrific and has been better than even I expected. But tonight will be interesting w/ RS losing a Lester start does Buchholz step up as a true top of the rotation guy and prevent the 2 game slide, RS don't want to be the team that gives the BJ's some momentum. Its easy to play well when things are going good, lets hope this team is as mentally tough when it hits its 1st slide. But the one good thing Ben did do was bring in a bunch of good clubhouse guys who really should help when the bad times come. 

     
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    As for the great April, I knew they would be better than last year. I also predicted that they would win more than they lost. I did not expect them to be this good. They pitched very well in Spring Training, most of the losses and bad numbers were attributed to guys who never made the trip north with the big league club. It's the offense and defense that is performing much better than in Spring Training. Nava, Victorino and Napoli have all produced above and beyond what I though they would produce. But the wins are coming with no homers from Pedroia and only one from Ellsbury, little or nothing from Drew, Middlebrooks, and Gomes, and with Ortiz only in the lineup for nine games! So while the early season over-achievers are not likely to maintain their paces, the under-achievers should be ready to balance the lineup as the season progresses. I like it a lot!!

     



    This has been great, but a 72% win rate will be hard to continue. We need to milk this hopt streak as long as possible. We know there will be tough stretches ahead, but let's hope they will be short and not too often.

     

     




     

    Moon your absolutely correct this team will not win 72% of its games. It will go trough a slump or 2 and that will tell us how good this team will be when the times get tough how do they respond. I still believe they are a 90 win team at best, which may or may not be good enough for playoffs. Most of Ben's moves have turned to the plus side, besides Hanrahans inconsistencies [injured hamstring- not convinced] and Drew [concussion- thought their was no reason to rush him back w/ Iggy playing so well] Ross/Victorino/Gomes have been as advertised and Dempster has been excellent. While many on this thread wanted Haren / McCarthy / Greinke and others Dempster for 1st mos has been terrific and has been better than even I expected. But tonight will be interesting w/ RS losing a Lester start does Buchholz step up as a true top of the rotation guy and prevent the 2 game slide, RS don't want to be the team that gives the BJ's some momentum. Its easy to play well when things are going good, lets hope this team is as mentally tough when it hits its 1st slide. But the one good thing Ben did do was bring in a bunch of good clubhouse guys who really should help when the bad times come. 



    I agree that 90 wins is probably still the best we can hope for, and the clubhouse attitude as well as on-the-field attitude seems refreshing and positive, but the true test of that always comes when times are bad... and there will be some bad times this year for sure.

    I was never for Greinke, but did suggest several times, that although I did not want to sign Anibal Sanchez, I'd rather have signed him for 5 years of control than Dempster, Papi, Drew and Victorino combined, who all will be gone after 1 to 3 years.

    The Dempster deal has gone well so fare, but we are only about 1/7th of the way through the season. His age is worrisome, but he looks sharp as heck!

     
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    The Angels are off to their worst start in franchise history.  

    Losing a 19-inning game to the A's must really stink.   LOL

     

     

     
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    Jid, if having an old guy help you get the scoop, I'll volunteer and comandeer a wheelchair.  Hope to meet you this summer.

    Moon, Trumbo has been doing well for the Angels.  He was a guy I hoped we might try to get this winter, I thought the Angels' salaries might make him expendable, but I guess not--I don't know what his status was.  Not trying to live the offseason over, just saying he's doing pretty well. 

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    In response to Critter23's comment:

    Jid, if having an old guy help you get the scoop, I'll volunteer and comandeer a wheelchair.  Hope to meet you this summer.

    Moon, Trumbo has been doing well for the Angels.  He was a guy I hoped we might try to get this winter, I thought the Angels' salaries might make him expendable, but I guess not--I don't know what his status was.  Not trying to live the offseason over, just saying he's doing pretty well. 



    The Angels might get fed up this summer and do something drastic, but I'm not sure we are a fit for what they will want.

     
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