A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    The fact is that Webster still needs better control of his fastball. No surprise here. It's not easy and that was the book on him last year.

    That is not to say that he will not be an excellent pitcher someday. Look at what they did with Buchholz. It took years for him to pull it together and optimal fastball command is what made the difference. Buchholz had great stuff also but until he was able to spot his fastball consistently he was a very inconsistent solution.

    Let's not get discuraged, even though it is looking pretty ugly in the #5 slot for a while. I wish Middlebrooks was contributing more also. We all were expecting more from him this year. hopefully he starts connecting more often soon.

    That big 3 HR game appears to have made him pull happy to me. He should be focusing on hitting the ball where it is pitched more often. A very common mistake.



    We knew that there was bound to be some slot(s) that dissapointed us this year. Not many of us expected Middlebrooks, but it's not a complete surprise when you figure his sample size was small last year, and his K rate was always high. I hope he makes the proper adjustments and turns it around soon.

    The 5 slot in the rotation was my biggest concern this past winter, and I have never been for seeking a 5-slot type pitcher (like softy always is), but rather a top of rotation starter than moves 3-4 guys down a peg and our 4 starter (Lackey or Dempster) becomes the new #5. We have a few options for the 5 slot, but all have big question marks, and the guy I liked the most in our system for that slot (Tazawa) is now our closer.

     
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    The fact is that Webster still needs better control of his fastball. No surprise here. It's not easy and that was the book on him last year.

    That is not to say that he will not be an excellent pitcher someday. Look at what they did with Buchholz. It took years for him to pull it together and optimal fastball command is what made the difference. Buchholz had great stuff also but until he was able to spot his fastball consistently he was a very inconsistent solution.

    Let's not get discuraged, even though it is looking pretty ugly in the #5 slot for a while. I wish Middlebrooks was contributing more also. We all were expecting more from him this year. hopefully he starts connecting more often soon.

    That big 3 HR game appears to have made him pull happy to me. He should be focusing on hitting the ball where it is pitched more often. A very common mistake.



    It was on another thread but, someone reminded everyone how long it took Ortiz to fully come back after his wrist injury (2 months). I mean, to start hitting consistently again that is. A good 2 months. So I'm holding out for another month ( give or take a week ) on Middlebrooks. His production so far has been eerily similar to Ortiz' if i think back. Like Ortiz, WMB has had good games (few & far between) that makes you think its all behind him, then blanks for a week. Looks like himself for a game, then not so much for an extended period of games. Its frustrating & unfortunate, but he needs another month i think. 

     
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    How long before they give Webster another look is my question?

     
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    The fact is that Webster still needs better control of his fastball. No surprise here. It's not easy and that was the book on him last year.

    That is not to say that he will not be an excellent pitcher someday. Look at what they did with Buchholz. It took years for him to pull it together and optimal fastball command is what made the difference. Buchholz had great stuff also but until he was able to spot his fastball consistently he was a very inconsistent solution.

    Let's not get discuraged, even though it is looking pretty ugly in the #5 slot for a while. I wish Middlebrooks was contributing more also. We all were expecting more from him this year. hopefully he starts connecting more often soon.

    That big 3 HR game appears to have made him pull happy to me. He should be focusing on hitting the ball where it is pitched more often. A very common mistake.

     



    It was on another thread but, someone reminded everyone how long it took Ortiz to fully come back after his wrist injury (2 months). I mean, to start hitting consistently again that is. A good 2 months. So I'm holding out for another month ( give or take a week ) on Middlebrooks. His production so far has been eerily similar to Ortiz' if i think back. Like Ortiz, WMB has had good games (few & far between) that makes you think its all behind him, then blanks for a week. Looks like himself for a game, then not so much for an extended period of games. Its frustrating & unfortunate, but he needs another month i think. 

     



    I think he will get a long look, before any major change is made. The fact that we really have no other options at 3B right now, may force a longer look anyways.

    Time to move Bogaerts to 3B?

     
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    The fact is that Webster still needs better control of his fastball. No surprise here. It's not easy and that was the book on him last year.

    That is not to say that he will not be an excellent pitcher someday. Look at what they did with Buchholz. It took years for him to pull it together and optimal fastball command is what made the difference. Buchholz had great stuff also but until he was able to spot his fastball consistently he was a very inconsistent solution.

    Let's not get discuraged, even though it is looking pretty ugly in the #5 slot for a while. I wish Middlebrooks was contributing more also. We all were expecting more from him this year. hopefully he starts connecting more often soon.

    That big 3 HR game appears to have made him pull happy to me. He should be focusing on hitting the ball where it is pitched more often. A very common mistake.

     



    It was on another thread but, someone reminded everyone how long it took Ortiz to fully come back after his wrist injury (2 months). I mean, to start hitting consistently again that is. A good 2 months. So I'm holding out for another month ( give or take a week ) on Middlebrooks. His production so far has been eerily similar to Ortiz' if i think back. Like Ortiz, WMB has had good games (few & far between) that makes you think its all behind him, then blanks for a week. Looks like himself for a game, then not so much for an extended period of games. Its frustrating & unfortunate, but he needs another month i think. 

     

     


    Time to move Bogaerts to 3B?




    I'd be all for it. Even if he doesnt do that well, it gives him some MLB experience. Gives WMB some time to recover, get his swing back & his mind focused. Especially after that collision (An OFer might brush that off, a 3B isnt used to hitting a wall that hard ). 

     
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    Maybe they should give Brock Holt some time at 3B soon.

     
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    Furthermore, theres a lot of talk about lack of depth at 3B, but what about 1B? What happens if Napoli gets hurt? Im of the opinion that WMB bat will come around at the plate, but if he does get sent down AA or AAA, it would be a perfect time to DH, 3B, & Give him some time at 1B. A scenario we've all talked about for months. 

     
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    Guys, Webster needs time to develop.  I remember one year (his 2nd?) Buch was like 1-7 but he had to go through that.  Pitching to major league hitters in succession is not like pitching in ST.  The question for me is, should they just keep him up and let him be the #5 or keep yo-yoing back to AAA?  Since they sent him back already, it's obvious what the RS think and that's their usual path.  I suggest that maybe the quickest line for his development is to stay up and learn on the job.  Maybe next year at this time we have a proven starter.  Would he do any worse than Doubie at this time?

    Ok, I probably sound like an Aceves apologist, but we need help in the pen now.  I think I would have a couple team leaders, especially someone who speaks Spanish (Papi and the pitching coach), talk to him along the lines of "We really need you now, your team needs you, you need to step up and be a man and show your true talent."  I think he might respond to that.  Furthermore, if we want to trade him and get him a fresh start, then it's best for all involved if he looks good for a while.  Maybe he would respond to that.

     
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    Furthermore, theres a lot of talk about lack of depth at 3B, but what about 1B? What happens if Napoli gets hurt? Im of the opinion that WMB bat will come around at the plate, but if he does get sent down AA or AAA, it would be a perfect time to DH, 3B, & Give him some time at 1B. A scenario we've all talked about for months. 



    I'm sure they'd hesitate to use Papi at 1B, but he could be risked a bit for a game or two, but my guess is Salty would play 1B and Lava or Vazquez would come up.

     
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    Guys, Webster needs time to develop.  I remember one year (his 2nd?) Buch was like 1-7 but he had to go through that.  Pitching to major league hitters in succession is not like pitching in ST.  The question for me is, should they just keep him up and let him be the #5 or keep yo-yoing back to AAA?  Since they sent him back already, it's obvious what the RS think and that's their usual path.  I suggest that maybe the quickest line for his development is to stay up and learn on the job.  Maybe next year at this time we have a proven starter.  Would he do any worse than Doubie at this time?

    Ok, I probably sound like an Aceves apologist, but we need help in the pen now.  I think I would have a couple team leaders, especially someone who speaks Spanish (Papi and the pitching coach), talk to him along the lines of "We really need you now, your team needs you, you need to step up and be a man and show your true talent."  I think he might respond to that.  Furthermore, if we want to trade him and get him a fresh start, then it's best for all involved if he looks good for a while.  Maybe he would respond to that.



    Not much else to choose from. Aceves has as good a chance as anyone else at helping in a meaningful way. At least he has a history of doing so not long ago.

     
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    softy latching onto something he agreed with.

    Classic.

    The difference is, I don't run away from my earlier positions and deny them, even if they prove to be wrong.

     
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    Sox OBP after last night.

    Carp  .432

    Ortiz  .412

    Pedey .405

    Nava   .383

    Gomes .361

    Shane .353

    Ciriaco .353

    D Ross  .341

    Salty    .330

    Naps    .329

    Drew    .326

    Ellsb    .325

    Midds   .228

     
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    Furthermore, theres a lot of talk about lack of depth at 3B, but what about 1B? What happens if Napoli gets hurt? Im of the opinion that WMB bat will come around at the plate, but if he does get sent down AA or AAA, it would be a perfect time to DH, 3B, & Give him some time at 1B. A scenario we've all talked about for months. 

     



    I'm sure they'd hesitate to use Papi at 1B, but he could be risked a bit for a game or two, but my guess is Salty would play 1B and Lava or Vazquez would come up.

     



    I guess i was thinking long term hurt. I didnt specify that though. 

    Carp?

     
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    Yes, Carp would be the man, and Papi/Salty the reserves.

     
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    Toronto is coming to Boston.  I wonder if Jack "Not-good-enough-to-be-in-the-Hall-of- Fame,.....don't-believe-me?-Just-ask-Eckersley" Morris will be coming too.   LOL

    BTW, the Yankees with their two former Blue Jays veterans (Wells, Overbay), are in first place.      *shaking my head*   

     
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    Toronto is coming to Boston.  I wonder if Jack "Not-good-enough-to-be-in-the-Hall-of- Fame,.....don't-believe-me?-Just-ask-Eckersley" Morris will be coming too.   LOL

    BTW, the Yankees with their two former Blue Jays veterans (Wells, Overbay), are in first place.      *shaking my head*   

    [/QUO                         That hurts, that line up looks like a little league team.


     
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    The Yanks finally have a good fielding SS, hence 1st place.

     
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    The Yanks finally have a good fielding SS, hence 1st place.



    They have a better team than we do, overall. I believe the Orioles and the Rays do as well, and possibly the Jays. We are more likely to finish in last place than make the playoffs

     
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    Jeez, we lose a couple of games and everyone is going into the tank again. It's not that bad guys. Hang in there.

    Got to admit I'm not happy about the #5 slot right now though. To be honest, I'd probably go with Aceves now that Doubront is maxing out at 91 MPH. He is not going to last in the majors as a 91 mph starter. As a 95 mph guy he was average. At 91 he will continue to get shelled. 

    During most of his time in the minors he sat at 91-92. I don't know how he got to 95 in the first place. And he may not be able to get it back.

     
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    The Yanks finally have a good fielding SS, hence 1st place.

     



    They have a better team than we do, overall. I believe the Orioles and the Rays do as well, and possibly the Jays. We are more likely to finish in last place than make the playoffs

     



    I predicted 83-85 wins. Some players look better than I expected, but I still don't see 90 wins happening unless an amazing confluence of events happen at once. Injuries are beginning to mount, so I'm not sure that "confluence" is in the cards this year.

    I'm extremely happy the way we have played so far. I'm not saying it can't continue. I will root for a continued 60%+ winning percent, but will be surprised if we do it without some trade to get us over the top.

    Of course the Yanks will not go away. They never do. Most here know my views on the Rays: they will not fade away for years to come. The O's are a wild card and are still finding ways to win. I'm still not convinced on the Jays.

     
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    The Orioles are our primary competition right now but NY is winning with smoke and mirrors to a degree. It just shows how important pitching is because their lineup was devastated yet they still won some games. As long as most of their top starters stay healthy they have a chance. One of those top guys go down and it's a new world.

    We had the best pen in baseball and then splat...we seemed to implode with the injuries. We need Bailey back badly. Except for the #5 slot the rest of the starters are doing well. The lineup should still produce enough runs to be good. Sometimes you hit the ball hard and it doesn't drop in. To a degree that is happening IMO.

    Middlebrooks needs to start squaring up the ball instead of trying to hit HR all the time. Having a 3rd baseman hitting .190 is not helping at this point in the season. At some point they may want to consider moving Drew to 3rd and bringing up Iggy. 

    Guys lke De La rosa may help befor we are through. He probably gets a shot in the #5 slot within the next month but I'd shut down Doubront to get his arm strength up and bring in Aveves for a while. Webster is better than things showed last start. Doumit is not normally going to go 4-5. Webster got some balls in the wrong places. He needs to get more work in and that sinker will drop more. Throw a lot more curveballs and change ups and he will be fine as long as he can get decent control over the fastball. He will give up some dingers but as long as he doesn't walk a lot he will be ok. He will get better.

     
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    The June draft looks very interesting. Reports of some very good talent maybe dropping to us at #7. Possibly even that high school kid from Georgia, Frazier or the top high school pitcher in the country. Baseball America is projecting the below type guys as being potentially our top pick:

    Frazier:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=draft

    Stewart:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=draft

    Others they might consider are:

    Ball:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=draft

    Stanek:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=draft

    Moran:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/#list=draft

     

     

     
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    The Orioles are our primary competition right now but NY is winning with smoke and mirrors to a degree. It just shows how important pitching is because their lineup was devastated yet they still won some games. As long as most of their top starters stay healthy they have a chance. One of those top guys go down and it's a new world.

    We had the best pen in baseball and then splat...we seemed to implode with the injuries. We need Bailey back badly. Except for the #5 slot the rest of the starters are doing well. The lineup should still produce enough runs to be good. Sometimes you hit the ball hard and it doesn't drop in. To a degree that is happening IMO.

    Middlebrooks needs to start squaring up the ball instead of trying to hit HR all the time. Having a 3rd baseman hitting .190 is not helping at this point in the season. At some point they may want to consider moving Drew to 3rd and bringing up Iggy. 

    Guys lke De La rosa may help befor we are through. He probably gets a shot in the #5 slot within the next month but I'd shut down Doubront to get his arm strength up and bring in Aveves for a while. Webster is better than things showed last start. Doumit is not normally going to go 4-5. Webster got some balls in the wrong places. He needs to get more work in and that sinker will drop more. Throw a lot more curveballs and change ups and he will be fine as long as he can get decent control over the fastball. He will give up some dingers but as long as he doesn't walk a lot he will be ok. He will get better.



    I do think we have a better chance at winning 90 games than I thought before this season started, but getting Bailey back is crucial as is staying relatively healthy across the board.

     

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