A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    What do you think we can get for Drew? 

    My guess is very little.

    So if Drew is gone that leaves us with Cinaco and Holt as replacement Drws.

    Risky business for a contending team no?

    I'll be suprised if Drew is traded.

     

     




    I agree 100%.  At the very very least, Drew is vastly better than Ciriaco or Holt.  With WMB, Iglesias and Drew we have enviable depth.

     

     

     

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    If Drew is so good, why don't other GMs want him? (We could pay more than half of his remaining contract.)

     

    There no hurry to trade Drew. He is certainly better than Holt or Ciriaco, but his value on the bench is less than his value to another GM in need of a SS and a LH'd bat.

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    I realize you believe that's where he belongs, but what makes you think the Sox are going to bench Drew when Middlebrooks  returns?

     
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    Middlebrooks was 2 for 3, with a walk, a homer to CF, and 5 RBI's, for the Pawsox.

     

     

    Yes and 1 for two in his first game and a BB in both games.

    As I said yesterday it's a given he can hit AAA

     

     

    It's his 2nd year and MLB teams might have exposed a weak spot in his hitting

    Hope that's not the case but Will has to prove his worth in Boston not Paw.

     

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    I wouldn't trade Drew until WMB is back. If WMB or Iggy gets hurt, we can use Ciriaco until we pick up a cheap defensive sepecialist off the scrap heep.

     

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    Don't hold your breath, Moon.  Drew & Ellsbury aren't going anywhere as long as the Sox are in contention, and with that rotation, barring serious injury, this team should easily contend all season.  

    The Front Office was smart enough to bring in a lot of depth last off season, they certainly aren't going to turn a strength into a weakness when they are in first place.  That would make no sense at all.  This team is much better than you thought they would be.  Just enjoy the ride...

     
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    I wouldn't trade Drew until WMB is back. If WMB or Iggy gets hurt, we can use Ciriaco until we pick up a cheap defensive sepecialist off the scrap heep.

     

     

     



    Don't hold your breath, Moon.  Drew & Ellsbury aren't going anywhere as long as the Sox are in contention, and with that rotation, barring serious injury, this team should easily contend all season.  

     

    The Front Office was smart enough to bring in a lot of depth last off season, they certainly aren't going to turn a strength into a weakness when they are in first place.  That would make no sense at all.  This team is much better than you thought they would be.  Just enjoy the ride...

    I have said all along that I do not think Ben agrees with my position(s). Although I am for trading these two for prospects, I wouldn't be against flipping the prospects for a player that can help us contend now and into the future.

    What make you think that because I want to trade Ellsbury and Drew, because their back-up are better, means I am not enjoying the ride?

    Sox4ever

     
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    Here's how last year's draft picks are doing so far (warning it is very early):

    24) Marrero .254  0  4 in 130 ABs.

    31) B Johnson 1-4  4.03 in 38 IP.

    37) Pat Light  1-3  8.17 in 25.1 IP

    87) J Callahan (Lowell Spinners)

    118) A Maddox  0-4  7.81

    4th rd) Ty Buttery (Lowell Spinners)

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    The following players will be eligible for the 2013 Rule 5 Draft if they are not added to the 40-man roster by November 20, 2013:

    Mario Alcantara, Michael Almanzar, Chris Balcom-Miller, Carson Blair,Xander Bogaerts, Bryce Brentz, Chris Carpenter, Garin Cecchini,Keith Couch, William Cuevas, Keury De La Cruz, Luis Diaz, Leonel Escobar, Jose Garcia, Derrik Gibson, Dreily Guerrero, Jeremy Hazelbaker, Jayson Hernandez, Chris Hernandez, Peter Hissey, Brandon Jacobs, Jeremy Kehrt, Aaron Kurcz, Juan Carlos Linares, Mario Martinez, Heiker Meneses, Boss Moanaroa, Nefi Ogando, Gerardo Olivares, Yunior Ortega, Oscar Perez, Rafael Perez, Mathew Price,Anthony Ranaudo, David Renfroe, Pete Ruiz, Felix Sanchez, Brandon Snyder, Alfredo Soto, Kyle Stroup, Francisco Taveras, Raynel Velette, Jose Vinicio, Kolbrin Vitek, Shannon Wilkerson, Brandon Workman,Madison Younginer

     

    The following players will be eligible for the 2014 Rule 5 Draft if they are not added to the 40-man roster by November 20, 2014:

    Anthony Amaya, Jonathan Aro, Matt Barnes, David Chester, Jose Colorado, Sean Coyle, Jacob Dahlstrand, Jason Garcia, Matt Gedman, Sergio Gomez, Williams Jerez, Elis Jimenez, Bryan Johns, Matty Johnson, Zach Kapstein, Braden Kapteyn, Ben Klafczynski, Cody Koback, Jesus Loya, Chris Martin, Mike McCarthy, Frank Montas, Nick Natoli, Matty Ott, Miguel Pena, Kendrick Perkins, Carlos Pinales, Noe Ramirez, Henry Ramos, Tim Roberson, Robby Scott, Travis Shaw, David Sopilka, Blake Swihart, Drew Turocy

    There are only 6 guys that need to be protected (see in red above), but I'd still hate to lose Linares and Carpenter for nothing. We could possible package them with Aceves and get a better player on a 40 man roster, or a prospect that does not need to be protected until the following year.

     

    Player who may walk as FAs this winter:

    Ellsbury, Drew, Hanrahan, Napoli, Salty

    We will also want to sign some free agents that will take up some slots. Here's a rough look at next year's roster (assuming no signings or trades):

    SP1-5: Buccholz, Lester, Lackey, Dempster, Doubront

    BP 6-12: Bailey, Tazawa, Breslow, Aceves, Miller, Morales, Mortensen

    13 Ross C

    14 Lavarnway C

    15 Carp 1B

    16 Pedey 2B

    17 Middlebooks 3B

    18 Iglesias SS

    19 Ciriaco UIF

    20 Nava LF

    21 Gomes LF

    22 JBJ CF

    23 Victorino RF

    24 Brentz RF

    25 Ortiz DH

    (Note: Ciriaco is expendable, and maybe Bogaerts can be ready for this slot, but nobody else who needs to be protected fits this role, except Holt. It seems one of Holt or Ciriaco could be moved or cut. Aceves or Mortensen might be moved)

    Minors on 40 man now: Webster, Bard, Kalish, Wilson, Wright, de la Rosa, Britton, Vazquez, Hassan, Holt, Butler, de la Torre

    Projected 15 players on the 2014 40 man roster:

    1) Webster

    2) Bogaerts

    3) de la Rosa

    4) Ranaudo

    5) Workman

    6) de la Cruz

    7) Workman

    8) Britton

    9) Bard

    10) Kalish

    11) Cecchini

    12) Wilson

    13) Vazquez

    14) de la Torre

    15) One of: Holt, Hassan, Butler, Wright

     

    As you can see, if we sign a 1Bman, OF'er, and SP, we'd need to move all the guys on the #15 line plus two more (Aceves & de la Torre?)

     

    It's not a major issue, but if we wait until winter, we won't be able to move these bottom guys easily.

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    Iggy had just 2 BBs in 66 PAs before tonight and just 6 in his whole MLB career (149 PAs before tonight).

    He has 3 BBs tonight in 4 PAs!

    Pitchers feaqr this kid!  (LOL)

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    Sox runs scored this year:

    0-2: 14 times (1-13)

    3-4: 15 times (7-8)

    5 runs: 4 times (3-1)

    6-7: 15 times (14-1)

    8+: 13 times (12-1)

    We have a solid mean runs scored of 5.

    We are 4 games up from a mean of 4, but we are just 5 games of scoring 6+ runs away from having a mean of 6!

     

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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    Starting Pitchers:

    Boston:  Buch (8-0  1.62), Lester (6-2 3.53 before tonight), Lackey (3-5 2.79), Dempster (3-6 4.39), Doubront (4-2  4.88) + Aceves & Morales/Webster

     

    NY Yanks:  Sabathia (6-4  3.74), Kuroda (6-4 2.59), Phelps (4-3 4.15), Pettitte (4-3 4.17), Hughes (2-4  5.37 before tonight) + Nova & Nuno

     

    Detroit: Verlander (7-4 3.70), Sanchez (6-5 2.65), Scherzer (7-0  3.42 before tonight), Fister (5-3 3.27), Porcello (2-3  5.21)

     

    Texas: Darvish (7-2  2.77), Holland (5-2  2,81 before tonight), Ogando (4-2 2.93), Tepesch (3-4  3.44), Grimm (5-4 5.13) + Harrison

     

    Oakland: Colon (7-2 3.14), Griffen (5-4 3.67), Milone (6-5 3.91), Parker (4-6  4.90), Straily (3-2 4.60) + Anderson (1-4 6.21)

     

     

     

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    Colon may not be there by the time we get there! Let's hope he isn't!

    I think Iggy has cemented a slot by now, as Cirico's replacement. Ciriaco must know his days are numbered. Hopefully we can get something for him.

    Moon, I think we both agree that we should be looking for 2or 3 for one deals where opposing teams may want to save a little cash on a player. For example, like we did for Hanrahan only for a better player. Another Salty type deal for s few prospects to a team with a guy like Salty who was starting to cost a little money. An Andrew Bailey...etc. 

    Your rule 5 discussion is very pertinent. I would like to add Almanzar also if we can. He's still only 23 and looks a whole lot better recently. He's a moose and he does have 10 dingers this year and a decent average in AA ball. Not saying he's great but he is moving in the right direction. They are going to be needing a mass changeover to keep some of those guys.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Glad to see Im not the only one thinking clearly here.

    Seeing clearly through the fog.

    ;) 

    Sox4ever




    I have a very bright and powerful "fog light" ;)

     
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    I wouldn't trade Drew until WMB is back. If WMB or Iggy gets hurt, we can use Ciriaco until we pick up a cheap defensive sepecialist off the scrap heep.

     

     

     

     

     



    Don't hold your breath, Moon.  Drew & Ellsbury aren't going anywhere as long as the Sox are in contention, and with that rotation, barring serious injury, this team should easily contend all season.  

     

    The Front Office was smart enough to bring in a lot of depth last off season, they certainly aren't going to turn a strength into a weakness when they are in first place.  That would make no sense at all.  This team is much better than you thought they would be.  Just enjoy the ride...

    I have said all along that I do not think Ben agrees with my position(s). Although I am for trading these two for prospects, I wouldn't be against flipping the prospects for a player that can help us contend now and into the future.

    What make you think that because I want to trade Ellsbury and Drew, because their back-up are better, means I am not enjoying the ride?

    Sox4ever

     

     



    You have a case for Iggy being better than Drew. Bradley is no where near the player Ells at this point. If you had watched the games he filled in for Ells the past week you would have seen that.   He's can't hit or bunt for that matter. 

     

     

     



    I watch every play of every game, often twice.

     

    1) I thought Bradley played very well over the week.

    2) I never judge a player by a 2-3 month sample size, let alone a week.

    3) I think Bradley catches that blooper hit in front of Jacoby last night.

     
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    I wouldn't trade Drew until WMB is back. If WMB or Iggy gets hurt, we can use Ciriaco until we pick up a cheap defensive sepecialist off the scrap heep.

     

     

     

     

     



    Don't hold your breath, Moon.  Drew & Ellsbury aren't going anywhere as long as the Sox are in contention, and with that rotation, barring serious injury, this team should easily contend all season.  

     

    The Front Office was smart enough to bring in a lot of depth last off season, they certainly aren't going to turn a strength into a weakness when they are in first place.  That would make no sense at all.  This team is much better than you thought they would be.  Just enjoy the ride...

    I have said all along that I do not think Ben agrees with my position(s). Although I am for trading these two for prospects, I wouldn't be against flipping the prospects for a player that can help us contend now and into the future.

    What make you think that because I want to trade Ellsbury and Drew, because their back-up are better, means I am not enjoying the ride?

    Sox4ever

     

     



    You have a case for Iggy being better than Drew. Bradley is no where near the player Ells at this point. If you had watched the games he filled in for Ells the past week you would have seen that.   He's can't hit or bunt for that matter. 

     

     

     



    I watch every play of every game, often twice.

     

    1) I thought Bradley played very well over the week.

    2) I never judge a player by a 2-3 month sample size, let alone a week.

    3) I think Bradley catches that blooper hit in front of Jacoby last night.

     



     Pulling the sample size again?  We've had two samples of Bradley this year both look the same. Bradley did not play well in either.  Perhaps you can tell me just what he did well.  I like him but he's not ready. At this point he has a better arm then Ells nothing else.

     

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    Theres no way JBJ is as good as Ells right now. Please. Not even close. JBJ will be a good player, but to compare him to Ellsbury right now is not even on the table for discussion. Now, If Iggy keeps hitting and continues his plate discipline, you could compare him to Drew in his overall game. But since its too small of a sample size for Iggy (only 62 AB), Ill wait a bit before I say hes the better SS.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    Looking back: Haven't lost a series since CHW. TX is the team to beat ( just did ), & compare themselves to ( 2W - 4L on the season vs TX ).

    Looking ahead: If the Sox have any chance in the Post-season, they have to have a better record than TX so they can stay out of Arlington as much as possible. Home field advantage might prove crucial. 

    Brass Tacks: If they make any deadline moves to help the team, they have to look at how they stack-up against the Rangers. Atleast thats how I see it. Yeah, it's still early. But not too early ... I'm starting to smell blood. 

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Starting Pitchers:

    Boston:  Buch (8-0  1.62), Lester (6-2 3.53 before tonight), Lackey (3-5 2.79), Dempster (3-6 4.39), Doubront (4-2  4.88) + Aceves & Morales/Webster

     

    NY Yanks:  Sabathia (6-4  3.74), Kuroda (6-4 2.59), Phelps (4-3 4.15), Pettitte (4-3 4.17), Hughes (2-4  5.37 before tonight) + Nova & Nuno

     

    Detroit: Verlander (7-4 3.70), Sanchez (6-5 2.65), Scherzer (7-0  3.42 before tonight), Fister (5-3 3.27), Porcello (2-3  5.21)

     

    Texas: Darvish (7-2  2.77), Holland (5-2  2,81 before tonight), Ogando (4-2 2.93), Tepesch (3-4  3.44), Grimm (5-4 5.13) + Harrison

     

    Oakland: Colon (7-2 3.14), Griffen (5-4 3.67), Milone (6-5 3.91), Parker (4-6  4.90), Straily (3-2 4.60) + Anderson (1-4 6.21)

     

     

     

    Sox4ever



    Interesting fact: Verlander NEVER started the season 2-0 in his career!!!  

    So far, Buccholz is the Cy Young winner!!!  Laughing

     
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    I wouldn't trade Drew until WMB is back. If WMB or Iggy gets hurt, we can use Ciriaco until we pick up a cheap defensive sepecialist off the scrap heep.

     

     

     

     

     



    Don't hold your breath, Moon.  Drew & Ellsbury aren't going anywhere as long as the Sox are in contention, and with that rotation, barring serious injury, this team should easily contend all season.  

     

    The Front Office was smart enough to bring in a lot of depth last off season, they certainly aren't going to turn a strength into a weakness when they are in first place.  That would make no sense at all.  This team is much better than you thought they would be.  Just enjoy the ride...

    I have said all along that I do not think Ben agrees with my position(s). Although I am for trading these two for prospects, I wouldn't be against flipping the prospects for a player that can help us contend now and into the future.

    What make you think that because I want to trade Ellsbury and Drew, because their back-up are better, means I am not enjoying the ride?

    Sox4ever

     

     



    You have a case for Iggy being better than Drew. Bradley is no where near the player Ells at this point. If you had watched the games he filled in for Ells the past week you would have seen that.   He's can't hit or bunt for that matter. 

     

     

     



    I watch every play of every game, often twice.

     

    1) I thought Bradley played very well over the week.

    2) I never judge a player by a 2-3 month sample size, let alone a week.

    3) I think Bradley catches that blooper hit in front of Jacoby last night.

     



     Pulling the sample size again?  We've had two samples of Bradley this year both look the same. Bradley did not play well in either.  Perhaps you can tell me just what he did well.  I like him but he's not ready. At this point he has a better arm then Ells nothing else.

     

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    batting .250 June vs .200 in May. His OBP vs RHP is very Ellsbury-like .316

     
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    You might add .316 and dropping rapidly.

    Ells has a .348 vs right handers  .Posting bogus numbers??

    Ells can bunt he learned that in the minors the same place Bradley will learn very soon.

     

     



    Bogus #'s? Ha! Selective yes, bogus no. Ells OBP last year was .313, .265 at lead-off

    Ellsbury bunts when? Takes a Chinese new year for my man to bunt. Don't get me started on that, i wasn't gonna post all day. Wink

     
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    You might add .316 and dropping rapidly.

    Ells has a .348 vs right handers  .Posting bogus numbers??

    Ells can bunt he learned that in the minors the same place Bradley will learn very soon.

     

     



    Exactly...The Sox love to get young players a little time in the Majors before they're ready, and it has a lot to do with what goes on "outside the lines," so that when they are ready, there's less of a culture shock.  This experience has probably been invaluable to Bradley so far, but the Sox are a better team with a healthy Ellsbury in center, for 2013 at least.  

     
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    I wouldn't trade Drew until WMB is back. If WMB or Iggy gets hurt, we can use Ciriaco until we pick up a cheap defensive sepecialist off the scrap heep.

     

     

     

     

     



    Don't hold your breath, Moon.  Drew & Ellsbury aren't going anywhere as long as the Sox are in contention, and with that rotation, barring serious injury, this team should easily contend all season.  

     

    The Front Office was smart enough to bring in a lot of depth last off season, they certainly aren't going to turn a strength into a weakness when they are in first place.  That would make no sense at all.  This team is much better than you thought they would be.  Just enjoy the ride...

    I have said all along that I do not think Ben agrees with my position(s). Although I am for trading these two for prospects, I wouldn't be against flipping the prospects for a player that can help us contend now and into the future.

    What make you think that because I want to trade Ellsbury and Drew, because their back-up are better, means I am not enjoying the ride?

    Sox4ever

     

     



    You have a case for Iggy being better than Drew. Bradley is no where near the player Ells at this point. If you had watched the games he filled in for Ells the past week you would have seen that.   He's can't hit or bunt for that matter. 

     

     

     



    I watch every play of every game, often twice.

     

    1) I thought Bradley played very well over the week.

    2) I never judge a player by a 2-3 month sample size, let alone a week.

    3) I think Bradley catches that blooper hit in front of Jacoby last night.

     



     Pulling the sample size again?  We've had two samples of Bradley this year both look the same. Bradley did not play well in either.  Perhaps you can tell me just what he did well.  I like him but he's not ready. At this point he has a better arm then Ells nothing else.

     

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    I can pick a larger sample size out of this season and ask you what Ellsbury did well.

    How about April 1, 2012 to April 21st 2013?

    How about April 1, 2013 to May 25, 2013?

    Both way larger than JBJ's sample size.

    I won't pick those sample sizes, because they are too small, but you get my point.

    JBJ is a better fielder than Ellsbury. He gets better jumps, takes better angles, and as you pointed out has a much better arm.

     

    I guess I just have less faith in Ellsbury as you. I realize Jacoby has the potential to come close to his 2011 numbers, but I'm not holding my breath. I think some GM would take the gamble and give us something very valuable and useful. The possible drop off to JBJ would be less than the gain, or I don't make the trade. I'm not for handing Jacoby away. I am not certain JBJ will do better than Jacoby over the next 4 months. 

    Since you asked, I will tell you what I have liked (note, I am not judging on a 7 game sample size here), but I think Iggy looks more confident at the plate this time around. It's a tiny sample size, but you asked.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    Theres no way JBJ is as good as Ells right now. Please. Not even close. JBJ will be a good player, but to compare him to Ellsbury right now is not even on the table for discussion. Now, If Iggy keeps hitting and continues his plate discipline, you could compare him to Drew in his overall game. But since its too small of a sample size for Iggy (only 62 AB), Ill wait a bit before I say hes the better SS.

    I disagree on nearly everything here. Iggy is not "hitting" well. This is the prime example of small sample size judgements gone wacky. Iggy may have improved over last year, but he is not even close to the hitter his tiny sample size shows, just as Ciriaco was not the hitter his 2012 numbers showed he might be.

    Conversely, Ellsbury's sample size since April1, 2012 is 583 PAs large, and you won't even put it on the table for discussion. Yes, his numbers for part of last year were injury/rehab related, but here are his numbers:

    .275/.328/.378/.706

    I'm not saying it's a sure bet, but I think one could put the chances that JBJ might reach a .706 OPS on the table. He doesn't even need to reach that, since his defense is better, but you get my point.

    My position is that even if we see a drop off in CF from Ellsbury to JBJ, the gain we get in return on trade for Ellsbury should outweigh that possible loss. If it does not: NO TRADE.

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Moon just lost a lot of credibilty with me on this one.

    Having said that he's one of the few to admit his mistakes  Perhaps he will come to his sences later

    Living in Texas takes it's toll on the best minds 

     

     


     
    LOL.

     

    I have been wrong many times over the years. With as many opinions and projections I have given, it's no wonder. I have admitted many mistakes, and I may be wrong here.

    What I don't get is how anyone can argue with the theory:

    1) Trade a player if you think you get better value in return.

    2) If you need to trade a player to improve a weak link on your team, choose the player that has high trade value and who has a back-up that is not as large a differential drop off as other positions on the team.

    We can certainly agree to disagree on what the differential is between Ellsbury and JBJ or Drew and Iggy, but in theory, if we improve in the area we gain via the trade by more than what we lose at the position we trade away from, how is the idea not even worthy of debate?

    Who can stand up and say I am against gaining larger here, because I don't want to lose by a lesser extent over there? The theory is sound, but the player differentials are what should be debated.

    (There are other factors involved, of course, like years of player control, salary cost, and more.)

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    I like using the 162 game pro-rate numbers for comparative purposes. I know many of these players can never be expected to keep up these paces over a full season, but we tend to relate better with full season stats as a way to determine performance levels than if you say someone has 10 Hrs after a third of a season.

    Here are the Sox numbers pro-rated to 162 games:

    Iggy  .435  8  59  (102 runs & 51 2Bs)

    Ortiz .325  42  161 (11 runs and 49 2B+3Bs)

    Carp .299  19  80  (51 2B+3Bs)

    Nava .293  24  114 (30 2Bs)

    Pedey .329  10  87  (108 runs & 47 2Bs & 21 SBs)

    Napoli .270  24  126 (56 2B + 3Bs)

    Salty   .268  20  72  (55 2Bs)

    Drew  .233  17  82  (37 2B + 3Bs)

    Ellsb  .280  2  58  (94 runs, 52 2B + 3Bs & 61 SBs)

    Ross 32 HRs

    Vict  19 SBs

    Middy 28 HRs and 42 2Bs

    Lava  108 RBIs

     

     

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