A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Iggy has almost singlehandedly lifted our 3B and SS numbers, but he can only play one position at a time, unfortuneately.

    I still think we could use a 3Bman who hits lefties very well, so we can platoon him with Drew and move Iggy back and forth when one has that day off.

    Make one more trade like the Thorton deal, and we should be a better team with no significant loss in our future outlook.

     

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    • With a win Sunday, Boston would capture its 20th series victory of the season, which would match the club's total from the 2012 campaign.

     

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    I haven't watched a game in over a week. Can't watch those West coast games and be a productive member of society. I turn my back and Miller is out for the year and we trade for Thornton. Doesnt really change the fact that they still need more BP help. Still waiting word on Buchholz. Still need a RH 3B ( probably ). Today's game is on at 4est. FINALLY! 

     

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    I haven't watched a game in over a week. Can't watch those West coast games and be a productive member of society. I turn my back and Miller is out for the year and we trade for Thornton. Doesnt really change the fact that they still need more BP help. Still waiting word on Buchholz. Still need a RH 3B ( probably ). Today's game is on at 4est. FINALLY! 

     

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    Why not watch the games on tape delay or DVR?

     
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    I haven't watched a game in over a week. Can't watch those West coast games and be a productive member of society. I turn my back and Miller is out for the year and we trade for Thornton. Doesnt really change the fact that they still need more BP help. Still waiting word on Buchholz. Still need a RH 3B ( probably ). Today's game is on at 4est. FINALLY! 

     

    "Don't you worry about blank, let me worry about blank"

     



    Why not watch the games on tape delay or DVR?

     



    I was going to but I've been too busy during the daytime to watch them even if i did. :( 

    Plus I was house sitting my bro's house w/out MLBxtrainns part of that time. :(

     

     
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    I haven't watched a game in over a week. Can't watch those West coast games and be a productive member of society. I turn my back and Miller is out for the year and we trade for Thornton. Doesnt really change the fact that they still need more BP help. Still waiting word on Buchholz. Still need a RH 3B ( probably ). Today's game is on at 4est. FINALLY! 

     

    "Don't you worry about blank, let me worry about blank"

     

     



    Why not watch the games on tape delay or DVR?

     

     

     



    I was going to but I've been too busy during the daytime to watch them even if i did. :( 

     

    Plus I was house sitting my bro's house w/out MLBxtrainns part of that time. :(

     




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    I haven't watched a game in over a week. Can't watch those West coast games and be a productive member of society. I turn my back and Miller is out for the year and we trade for Thornton. Doesnt really change the fact that they still need more BP help. Still waiting word on Buchholz. Still need a RH 3B ( probably ). Today's game is on at 4est. FINALLY! 

     

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    Why not watch the games on tape delay or DVR?

     

     

     

     

     



    I was going to but I've been too busy during the daytime to watch them even if i did. :( 

     

     

    Plus I was house sitting my bro's house w/out MLBxtrainns part of that time. :(

     

     




    check your BDC messages emp...

     



    Oh very nice! Thanx SouthPaw. 

     
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    I haven't watched a game in over a week. Can't watch those West coast games and be a productive member of society. I turn my back and Miller is out for the year and we trade for Thornton. Doesnt really change the fact that they still need more BP help. Still waiting word on Buchholz. Still need a RH 3B ( probably ). Today's game is on at 4est. FINALLY! 

     

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    Why not watch the games on tape delay or DVR?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    I was going to but I've been too busy during the daytime to watch them even if i did. :( 

     

     

     

    Plus I was house sitting my bro's house w/out MLBxtrainns part of that time. :(

     

     

     




    check your BDC messages emp...

     

     

     



    Oh very nice! Thanx SouthPaw. 

     




    NP...keep that to yourself. We dont need certain trolls spying on us anymore. Thats why I created a new one for us. I named it appropriately tooSealed you'll when you sign in.

     
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    I haven't watched a game in over a week. Can't watch those West coast games and be a productive member of society. I turn my back and Miller is out for the year and we trade for Thornton. Doesnt really change the fact that they still need more BP help. Still waiting word on Buchholz. Still need a RH 3B ( probably ). Today's game is on at 4est. FINALLY! 

     

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    Why not watch the games on tape delay or DVR?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    I was going to but I've been too busy during the daytime to watch them even if i did. :( 

     

     

     

     

    Plus I was house sitting my bro's house w/out MLBxtrainns part of that time. :(

     

     

     

     




    check your BDC messages emp...

     

     

     

     

     



    Oh very nice! Thanx SouthPaw. 

     

     

     




    NP...keep that to yourself. We dont need certain trolls spying on us anymore. Thats why I created a new one for us. I named it appropriately tooSealedyou'll when you sign in.

     



    Gotcha.

    DVR-ing the Futures Game At 2. Sox at 4. Plus the Chatzyroom. I believe its going to be a good day! 

     
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    I haven't watched a game in over a week. Can't watch those West coast games and be a productive member of society. I turn my back and Miller is out for the year and we trade for Thornton. Doesnt really change the fact that they still need more BP help. Still waiting word on Buchholz. Still need a RH 3B ( probably ). Today's game is on at 4est. FINALLY! 

     

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    Why not watch the games on tape delay or DVR?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    I was going to but I've been too busy during the daytime to watch them even if i did. :( 

     

     

     

     

     

    Plus I was house sitting my bro's house w/out MLBxtrainns part of that time. :(

     

     

     

     

     




    check your BDC messages emp...

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Oh very nice! Thanx SouthPaw. 

     

     

     

     

     




    NP...keep that to yourself. We dont need certain trolls spying on us anymore. Thats why I created a new one for us. I named it appropriately tooSealedyou'll when you sign in.

     

     

     



    Gotcha.

     

    DVR-ing the Futures Game At 2. Sox at 4. Plus the Chatzyroom. I believe its going to be a good day! 




    Oh, thats right..Futures game is on...Thanks for reminding me.

     
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    Ranaudo pitching the 4th for USA

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    Guess who this pitcher is    Laughing

    This AL pitcher has allowed 3 runs or fewer in 14 of his 16 starts this season and has a 2.32 ERA in 11 outings since May 19th.  

    HINT:  It's neither King Felix nor Moore.

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    Answer:  John Lackey    Cool

     
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    Great day for the prospects. Solid game from workman with Lavarnway catching by the way. Both Cechinni and Bogaerts real solid in the futures game. Cechinni looks for real guys. He might actually end up our megastud. He sure looks for real.

    Can't help but think there is a possibility Workman and / or Britton are being shopped for Garza. Makes a lot of sense maybe. Theo might well like both prospects. Wants to unload Garza for pitching I would think. Maybe Ranaudo involved?

     
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    a realistic view means to me to focus on the final period of this season beginning next Fri July 19 until the end... to be able to climb that tough steep slope, we should start by admitting we need more strength in key spots such as 3b, 1b, pitching and hitting...at least 3 or 4 new players...either from farm or mainlyfrom other clubs... So july trades are a must... Not proposing a total give away of prospects, but yes, some potential talent to get needed value to keep going and to be a winner...the team we have today have been magnificent, but will hardly win ninety games... Not enough, in my view... We have just fininished a tough corageous trip to the West... In those last ten games , we lost 50% of our divisional lead...

     

     

     
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    a realistic view means to me to focus on the final period of this season beginning next Fri July 19 until the end... to be able to climb that tough steep slope, we should start by admitting we need more strength in key spots such as 3b, 1b, pitching and hitting...at least 3 or 4 new players...either from farm or mainlyfrom other clubs... So july trades are a must... Not proposing a total give away of prospects, but yes, some potential talent to get needed value to keep going and to be a winner...the team we have today have been magnificent, but will hardly win ninety games... Not enough, in my view... We have just fininished a tough corageous trip to the West... In those last ten games , we lost 50% of our divisional lead...

     

     



    I have always wanted to upgrade the rotation from the top or near the top, but I just do not see Garza as the answer. I guess if we can extend him, I'd go along with the idea more, but I just don't see the probable upgrade as worth the trade off in prospects. Plus, to me, he should replace Lester in the rotation, but in reality, they'd probably move Doubront to long relief. Felix may need a little rest, but he's pitching very well, so I'd hate to mess with his streak. Another option could be to move Dempster to closer- but that's too wild to be serious.

    I think we might pick up a corner IF'er who kills lefties. He could play 3B vs LHPs while Drew rides the bench and Iggy plays 3B, or he could provide help at 1B, if Napoli continues to struggle.

    We should pick up another pen arm- maybe 2 if we don't get a SP. I doubt we trade for more than 2 pitchers and a corner IF'er, so I see 3 tops. More likely 2: a corner IF'er or 3Bman and a relif pitcher.

     
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    If we "go big" at the deadline, who will it be for?

    Cliff Lee

    G. Stanton

    M Garza

    A Ramirez (3B)

    M Young

    Others?

    Sox4ever

     
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    Moon, if the Phils come out of the break and lose 9 of 10 then maybe they'll put Lee out there, if they continue to play well, as they have lately and are back at .500, then they'll be looking to buy, or so says their GM.  If the Phils go into a nose dive I think the Sox may go for Lee.  Stanton would be even bigger because young, but we'd have to lose guys we really really like, so bittersweet.  Those two are the only truly big ones on the list.  Of the lesser lights, I wouldn't be surprised to see Young or Garza on the Sox.  I'd like to have Young if he doesn't cost too much in terms of prospects.  I don't want Garza, we'd have to give up something to get him and I don't see how he's much of an improvement over what we already have.   Ramierez has power, but is getting older too and would cost more in terms of prospects than Young?  Don't know.

     
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    Moon, if the Phils come out of the break and lose 9 of 10 then maybe they'll put Lee out there, if they continue to play well, as they have lately and are back at .500, then they'll be looking to buy, or so says their GM.  If the Phils go into a nose dive I think the Sox may go for Lee.  Stanton would be even bigger because young, but we'd have to lose guys we really really like, so bittersweet.  Those two are the only truly big ones on the list.  Of the lesser lights, I wouldn't be surprised to see Young or Garza on the Sox.  I'd like to have Young if he doesn't cost too much in terms of prospects.  I don't want Garza, we'd have to give up something to get him and I don't see how he's much of an improvement over what we already have.   Ramierez has power, but is getting older too and would cost more in terms of prospects than Young?  Don't know.




    A Ramirez is owed a lot of money, so I think the cost may be the same as Young. He's almost at the point of just taking his salary. He's owed about $3.5M after the deadline, then $16M next year and a $4M buyout for 2015 on a mutual option. That's a total of about $24M for 1.3 seasons. I actually think we could get him for a couple midlevel prospects. 

     
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    When you have a chance to win it all , you want to go for it. The problem becomes how much you are willing to sacrifice the future. Guys like Lee and Stanton would cost more than we would like to lose. If we could pick up some bullpen help for a B list prospect or two, then take the gamble. But it is not normally good policy to trade young for old. We have some very highly regarded young prospects. Personally , I would rather count on them to provide the boost down the stretch. 

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    When you have a chance to win it all , you want to go for it. The problem becomes how much you are willing to sacrifice the future. Guys like Lee and Stanton would cost more than we would like to lose. If we could pick up some bullpen help for a B list prospect or two, then take the gamble. But it is not normally good policy to trade young for old. We have some very highly regarded young prospects. Personally , I would rather count on them to provide the boost down the stretch. 

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    The thing about Lee is that not only would he cost several top prospects, he'd eat up a big chunk of the spending budget in upcoming years.

    Stanton is at least relatively inexpensive financially and will be entering his prime, unlike Lee.

    I think we can get Jessie Crain and A Ramirez for blocked prospects and rule 5 borderline prospects and maybe one guy from our #11 to 20 list.

     
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    Interesting facts   Laughing

    • The Red Sox lead the majors with 496 runs and a .351 OBP
    • Boston's 58 wins is the most ever before the All-Star break
    • Boston has 20 series wins which already matches the total in all of 2012.
    • Since June 10th, Uehara owns a 0.56 ERA with 24 Ks in 17 outings.
    • A large ice caramel latte with whip cream at Dunkin Donuts has 660 calories  Yell
     
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    I thought you guys may be interested to know that we bumped into and chatted for a bit with Gomes and Napoli at Pike Place Market in Seattle.  At the time, we didn't know they were cruising for flowers.  We just thanked them for the great season and the great attitude they seemed to bring to the team.  They were very cordial and thanked us for the support.

     
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    When you have a chance to win it all , you want to go for it. The problem becomes how much you are willing to sacrifice the future. Guys like Lee and Stanton would cost more than we would like to lose. If we could pick up some bullpen help for a B list prospect or two, then take the gamble. But it is not normally good policy to trade young for old. We have some very highly regarded young prospects. Personally , I would rather count on them to provide the boost down the stretch. 

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    The thing about Lee is that not only would he cost several top prospects, he'd eat up a big chunk of the spending budget in upcoming years.

     

    Stanton is at least relatively inexpensive financially and will be entering his prime, unlike Lee.

    I think we can get Jessie Crain and A Ramirez for blocked prospects and rule 5 borderline prospects and maybe one guy from our #11 to 20 list.




    A. Rameirez is always hurt (currently on the DL) and will cost waaaay more than hes worth in terms or prospects, $$ and production. Hes will be owed about 4M this year, then 16 in 2014 with a 4M buyout in 2015. 24M for a year and 2 months? I think we cando better than that. To me, thats not smart business. Since 2009, hes had 2 years where hes played more that 145 games. He hasnt played in 150 games since 2006. Not to mention he will be 36 next year. Id rather get Young if they choose to go that route. Much cheaper in terms of $$ and prospects as well as being a FA after the year. No commitment.

     
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    When you have a chance to win it all , you want to go for it. The problem becomes how much you are willing to sacrifice the future. Guys like Lee and Stanton would cost more than we would like to lose. If we could pick up some bullpen help for a B list prospect or two, then take the gamble. But it is not normally good policy to trade young for old. We have some very highly regarded young prospects. Personally , I would rather count on them to provide the boost down the stretch. 

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    The thing about Lee is that not only would he cost several top prospects, he'd eat up a big chunk of the spending budget in upcoming years.

     

     

    Stanton is at least relatively inexpensive financially and will be entering his prime, unlike Lee.

    I think we can get Jessie Crain and A Ramirez for blocked prospects and rule 5 borderline prospects and maybe one guy from our #11 to 20 list.

     




    A. Rameirez is always hurt (currently on the DL) and will cost waaaay more than hes worth in terms or prospects, $$ and production. Hes will be owed about 4M this year, then 16 in 2014 with a 4M buyout in 2015. 24M for a year and 2 months? I think we cando better than that. To me, thats not smart business. Since 2009, hes had 2 years where hes played more that 145 games. He hasnt played in 150 games since 2006. Not to mention he will be 36 next year. Id rather get Young if they choose to go that route. Much cheaper in terms of $$ and prospects as well as being a FA after the year. No commitment.

     



    My thoughts are that his high contract cost will mean he will only cost mid level prospects and no more. 

    I would not sign ARam for $24M and 2 playoff seasons, but if we are going to give better prospects for 1 playoff season of M Young, then I'd think about ARam instead.

    I agree, I would not give top prospects for ARam, and then not be able to sign a nice FA this winter due to his contract.

     
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    Taking on salaries like Young's or Ramirez' should help our trade partners enough that high-end prospects should not be involved. But either could come as part of a package involving either Garza or Lee, which would then involve prospects. But if the deals are not expanded to include a starter along with a third-baseman, then I believe Ben holds the line on any top prospect. Only prospects that we would be exposed to losing in the rule 5 draft should be offered in deals. If our farm system is as strong as we are led to believe then the solutions to fill our holes are probably in our system, at least better solutions than most, without costing us any top prospects.

     
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