A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.

     
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    Moon and Boom, I'm not for a fire sale either but I agree with you Moon.  It's not that I want to trade Ells, but it seems like we have JBJ ready to step in and do a lot of what Ells does if we do trade him or package him.  I just keep going back to believing this is a great group of guys to root for and a breath of fresh air, but not enough for a WS.  One more great starter that pushes a couple of guys down--as you've explained Moon--makes our whole staff better.  Maybe Morales-Doubie-Webster can be that next year, but not yet.  And we need a guy who can hit 30 dingers in the middle of the order.  Like someone else said here recently, we have lots of depth so any trades that are made, we do have people to step up.  I think it's exciting to be in this present spot, and it's pretty fair to say BC put us here with the LA trade and holding the line to some extent this winter...Moon and everyone, I know you're not ready to speculate on trades, but are there any teams out there who LINE UP WELL WITH US?  By that I mean need catching, relievers, SS, 3rd baseman, outfielders, our strengths right?  For starting pitchers, middle of the order hitters...guys on the cusp of coming into their own.



    Hey crit,

    To me, 3rd base isnt a strength this year, which is why Iggy is there right now. Plus, I dont think they are ready to give up on Middy. OF really isnt a strength either IMO. With Ells one foot out the door, and Besides JBJ and maybe Brentz, we have nothing close to ready. Id say as it stands right now, 3b and OF are not very strong. Cecchini and maybe Almanzar (3b) are about a year or 2 away still.

    Relievers wont get us too much unless we decide to go after paps and use bailey as trade bait. Or  guy like Koji or Taz. Mort, Miller etc., type guys arent worth much. Maybe Aceves?

    We need to see if Middy comes around. It will depend on how he produces coming off the DL. If he continues to struggle, then yeah, we will need to find a bat IMO.

    I think Ellsbury (Drew maybe) will net us a comp pick with a QO, so unless the return is without a doubt helpful this year and in the future, They should stay put. I have a hard time believing JBJ can step right into CF and duplicate the production Ells can give us, same with Iggy for Drew. The offensive production will suffer. I still say dont move Salty unless were out of it too.

    Have to see where we, and other teams, are at come the end of June to really start throwing names around...

     
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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.




    Doubront will be very fortunate to make it to the end of five innings. With luck, this could be his last start before Morales is given a shot.

     
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    I'm rooting for JBJ tonight. This is a more realistic matchup. It seems like he is in there against left handed studs half the time he is in the lineup. 

    If I had to chose right now between Iglesias and Drew I'd take Iglesias every time at SS. If he keeps playing well when Middlebrooks comes back we should consider slotting Iglesias at SS. Forget about Ciriaco. Let's think about Iglesias starting at SS. 

    I think "what have you done for me lately" is an undervalued stat. Iglesias is driving the ball fairly well and the kid can absolutely play defense. He's a solid 3rd baseman defensively already.

    Iglesias UZR/150 at SS in 2012 = an ungodly plus 46.5

    Iglesias UZR/150 at SS in 2013 = plus 31.2

    Play the kid. Please play the kid.

     
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    Doubront says "Cut my ERA by .3 and play the kid"

     

     

     
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    JBJ struts some stuff...we need some games like this. NAVA! I'm so happy for that guy. What a story and how much better the ending if that kid pulls off a solid year as he has been doing and we have him through 2018 under control. 

    The future looks bright. Let's keep it going. We should be a better team than the Yanks. Time to put some distance between us and them right now.

     
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    Doubront came up strong in a big game. Nice!

     
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    How about that play Iggy made on the slow roller?   Incredible!

     
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    I'm watching the game now, for the first time. Just saw the highlight of Nava's HR. 93 mph fastball, letter high...pulled to RF. That is a tough pitch to even hit let along crank out of the park. 

    Nava has really developed. That's pretty decent bat speed. I think he may well turn out to be worth a lot going forward if we really control his contract until 2018. That is some serious value.

    Lots of guys thought he would never make it, even after he hit a consistent .340 in the minors for several years and had forearms like Popeye. It's absolutely great to see.

     
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    I'm watching the game now, for the first time. Just saw the highlight of Nava's HR. 93 mph fastball, letter high...pulled to RF. That is a tough pitch to even hit let along crank out of the park. 

    Nava has really developed. That's pretty decent bat speed. I think he may well turn out to be worth a lot going forward if we really control his contract until 2018. That is some serious value.

    Lots of guys thought he would never make it, even after he hit a consistent .340 in the minors for several years and had forearms like Popeye. It's absolutely great to see.




    He looks more buffed out this year.  Has he been working out with any of the other players during the off season?

    What impressed me was the ability to get around on that high hard one.  It was above the letters and at that height, it's almost impossible for a hitter to catch up to it.

     
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    Solid outing for Doubie, JBJ, Nava, Drew and Iggy last night.

    If Middly struggles upon his return, Id have no issue with Iggy playing 3rd until he takes over SS next year. That was a highlight reel play he made. Nava impresses me every time out. He deserves to be an AS this year. 300BA and 400OBP into June? Yeah, kids for real AND not arb eligible until 2015...The more Iggy continues to hit, the more comfortable I am feeling about him. Hes definitely got a different aura about him, without a doubt.

     
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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.

     




    Doubront will be very fortunate to make it to the end of five innings. With luck, this could be his last start before Morales is given a shot.

     



    Wrong again Einstein....Morales is a middle reliever, spot starter. Always has been, and always will be. 

     
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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.



    Still wanna trade him moon ? McCarver last nite brought up that Doubrants mechanics were out of whack early in the season which caused his loss of velo and that he's become the pet project of Nieves. It looks like its paying off. My prediction that Doubie will overtake Lester as the 2/3 guy behind Buch is looking better and better these last 3 or 4 times out for both. 

     
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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.

     



    Still wanna trade him moon ? McCarver last nite brought up that Doubrants mechanics were out of whack early in the season which caused his loss of velo and that he's become the pet project of Nieves. It looks like its paying off. My prediction that Doubie will overtake Lester as the 2/3 guy behind Buch is looking better and better these last 3 or 4 times out for both. 

     



    Not sure I see that happeneing, but Ive always thought Doubie was a solid middle to back of the rotation starter anyway. I also didnt think they would give up on a kid with his potential that easy.

     
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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.

     



    Still wanna trade him moon ? McCarver last nite brought up that Doubrants mechanics were out of whack early in the season which caused his loss of velo and that he's become the pet project of Nieves. It looks like its paying off. My prediction that Doubie will overtake Lester as the 2/3 guy behind Buch is looking better and better these last 3 or 4 times out for both. 

     

     



    Not sure I see that happeneing, but Ive always thought Doubie was a solid middle to back of the rotation starter anyway. I also didnt think they would give up on a kid with his potential that easy.

     



    I agree. Was just throwing a little dig at moon for calling to trade him all off season long. Why? The kid right now is a pretty darn good 4/5 with pretty good upside and CHEAP. If Nieves can get through to him and Doubie buys in I see no reason AT ALL he can't make the jump to a 2/3 guy in the rotation with his stuff. Lester on the other hand is a diff story. I think he knows he can't blow it by guys anymore and is having a hard time adjusting to becoming a more complete pitcher. Plus...he's got an awful lot of innings on that arm over the last 6/7 yrs and is due to break down ala Lackey and Becket in thier early 30s. I would be very hesitant to extend him like some people are calling for. 

     
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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.

     



    Still wanna trade him moon ? McCarver last nite brought up that Doubrants mechanics were out of whack early in the season which caused his loss of velo and that he's become the pet project of Nieves. It looks like its paying off. My prediction that Doubie will overtake Lester as the 2/3 guy behind Buch is looking better and better these last 3 or 4 times out for both. 

     

     



    Not sure I see that happeneing, but Ive always thought Doubie was a solid middle to back of the rotation starter anyway. I also didnt think they would give up on a kid with his potential that easy.

     

     



    I agree. Was just throwing a little dig at moon for calling to trade him all off season long. Why? The kid right now is a pretty darn good 4/5 with pretty good upside and CHEAP. If Nieves can get through to him and Doubie buys in I see no reason AT ALL he can't make the jump to a 2/3 guy in the rotation with his stuff. Lester on the other hand is a diff story. I think he knows he can't blow it by guys anymore and is having a hard time adjusting to becoming a more complete pitcher. Plus...he's got an awful lot of innings on that arm over the last 6/7 yrs and is due to break down ala Lackey and Becket in thier early 30s. I would be very hesitant to extend him like some people are calling for. 

     

     




    I had considered extending him (as if I actually could ;), but after thinking about it more I feel using his option for 2014 to get a better idea if an extension should even be offered is the smarter move. Besides the first few starts this year, he has mostly struggled to get through 6IP. Enough to make me reconsider my position on the extension anyway.

     

    Depending on this years draft and the progression of guys like Ranaudo, Webster, RDLR, Barnes, Workman, Hernandez and Owens, Lester will really need to step it up a notch and prove hes worthy of an extension after next year.

     
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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.

     



    Still wanna trade him moon ? McCarver last nite brought up that Doubrants mechanics were out of whack early in the season which caused his loss of velo and that he's become the pet project of Nieves. It looks like its paying off. My prediction that Doubie will overtake Lester as the 2/3 guy behind Buch is looking better and better these last 3 or 4 times out for both. 

     

     



    Not sure I see that happeneing, but Ive always thought Doubie was a solid middle to back of the rotation starter anyway. I also didnt think they would give up on a kid with his potential that easy.

     

     



    I agree. Was just throwing a little dig at moon for calling to trade him all off season long. Why? The kid right now is a pretty darn good 4/5 with pretty good upside and CHEAP. If Nieves can get through to him and Doubie buys in I see no reason AT ALL he can't make the jump to a 2/3 guy in the rotation with his stuff. Lester on the other hand is a diff story. I think he knows he can't blow it by guys anymore and is having a hard time adjusting to becoming a more complete pitcher. Plus...he's got an awful lot of innings on that arm over the last 6/7 yrs and is due to break down ala Lackey and Becket in thier early 30s. I would be very hesitant to extend him like some people are calling for. 

     

     




    I had considered extending him (as if I actually could ;), but after thinking about it more I feel using his option for 2014 to get a better idea if an extension should even be offered is the smarter move. Besides the first few starts this year, he has mostly struggled to get through 6IP. Enough to make me reconsider my position on the extension anyway.

     

    Depending on this years draft and the progression of guys like Ranaudo, Webster, RDLR, Barnes, Workman, Hernandez and Owens, Lester will really need to step it up a notch and prove hes worthy of an extension after next year.



    Agree...use the option and see what happens. He'd want a Beckett type extension at 4/70 at least which I think would be crazy. Though...we gave Demster 3/40 so what do I know :) I would love to see them pick Manaea at pick 7 who I think is right there with Grey and Appel as being close to MLB ready, so in 15 you could have him, Webster, Barnes, Ranaudo and RDLR all knocking at the door. With Owens right behind them. Pretty exciting to have that kind of Potential in the pipeline. Been following the RS for 45 yrs and we have never had that. 

     
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    NWIH they pick Manea at # 7 considering his recent injuries and performances. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks get him at #30 or so though.

    I'm hoping they get Stewart or Frazier. They have a decent chance of getting either. Anything less than that will be a disapointment but if those 2 are gone maybe someone else will then be available who wasn't projected to last until #7.

    What I don't want are Ball, Meadows or someone from out of nowhere. To me both are too risky. When you pick at #7 there should be high upside with minimal risk.

    It's coming up in 5 days guys. It will be here before we know it.

     
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    Nava is now 6th in the AL in OBP, 9th in OPS and T8th in RBI.

     
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    Doubront is a decent #5. I'm not hopeful for much more than that but if he pulls off a good #5 I'm happy. He's still cheap and so far has been excellent against the Yanks. Why not keep him?

    This team's strength is it's depth. We have back ups for back ups and plenty of trade chips if we need them to cover for an injury at the break.

    The upper levels of the farm are still kicking some serious fanny. Bogaerts and Swihart are hitting close to .500 this week. Solid pitching from Webster, Workman, Ranaudo...etc.

    What is a rebuilding year? We just decided to skip all that!

    I remain a Pollyanna! 

    Watching Vernon Wells bungle around in LF for the Yanks today made my week. What a joy!

     

     
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    How about that play Iggy made on the slow roller?   Incredible!



    I think he took about 8 or 9 steps in, swwoped his glove towards the ball, made the quickest transition from glove to hand I've ever seen, and threw a bullet on the run at full steam.

    Yes!

    Incredible!

     
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    That really was an amazing play.  I've never seen one quite like it.  It wasn't even a close play at first base.  The hitter was out by plenty.

     
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    Big game tonight. I'm pulling for Doubront, but I'm very concerned.

     



    Still wanna trade him moon ? McCarver last nite brought up that Doubrants mechanics were out of whack early in the season which caused his loss of velo and that he's become the pet project of Nieves. It looks like its paying off. My prediction that Doubie will overtake Lester as the 2/3 guy behind Buch is looking better and better these last 3 or 4 times out for both. 

     

     



    Yes, I still want to trade him, even more so now that his stock has climbed recently.

     

    Guys, you keep thinking that because I say I want to trade a player, it is because I think he is useless or has not future. I want to trade some guys for several reasons that all are geared towards making us better not worse:

    * because I think some GM will overpay for the player.

    * because I think a desperate GM in need of a specific position player will give more

    * because when some players become FAs this winter, we get nothing in return.

    * because when Ellsbury walks, all we get is a draft pick (around the 30th).

    * because when a guy like Doubie comes to camp 2 times out of shape it leads to injury, loss of mechanics, poor clubhouse relations, and more.

    * because we have a higher need at another position and the replacement player we have within our system is not a large step down at the position we trade from- at least as not as large a differential as the one we gain at the position of return value. (Some, like Iggy and JBJ are not even a steps down in my opinion.)

     

    For the hundreth time, I'm not for handing away players with value. I recognize they have value, and I'm sure others see the same value you see in Doubront, and perhaps they minimize his attitude issues like you appear to be doing, and will give us more value in return than Doubront is worth to use now. If we can get equal or better value for Doubront, I'd trade him in a heart beat. Same with Ellsbury & Drew.

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    Not sure I see that happeneing, but Ive always thought Doubie was a solid middle to back of the rotation starter anyway. I also didnt think they would give up on a kid with his potential that easy.

     

    It's that "potential" that makes him a hot trade commodity. Other GMs see it too.

    It's not "giving up" on a player to trade him for better value: it's just good baseball.

     
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    Team leaders:

    BA: Iggy .431, Pedey .333, Ortiz .326, Nava .296

    OBP: Iggy .455, Pedey .416, Ortiz .400, Nava .398

    SLG: Carp .606, Ortiz .596, Iggy .529, Napoli .500, Nava .485, Salty .455

    HR: Ortiz & Napoli 9, Nava & WMB 8, Salty 5

    RBI: Napoli 44, Nava 37, Ortiz 35, Pedey 30, Drew 22

    Runs: Pedey 38, Nava & Napoli 31, Ellsbury 30

    2B+3B: Napoli 21, Pedey 16, Ells 16, Salty 14, WMB 12, Ortiz 11, Carp 10

    RC: Pedey 40, Naps 36, Nava 35, Elss 32, Ortiz 30

     

     
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