In response to moonslav59's comment:
Ok...so who are the prospects that you're going to get for Drew and Ells? And who is the pitcher that you are going to swindle from team A that is under "team control" that right now is better than Doubrant?
I'm not getting into specific names for another month, but the theory is this:
Trade Ellsbury, Drew and Doubront for a better pitcher than Doubront. Unless you think Drew and Ellsbury have no value (we can pay part of their contracts), then you should see the possibility, even if a 3rd team must get involved to make it happen.
That's all I'm saying about it. Somebody might think Doubront is better than Ben thinks he is (or at least as good)
You do know how valuable young pitchers under team control are don't you?
No. I'm clueless.
Doubront is a headcase. The guys I wanted to go after last winter were about his age and under team control for several years, so stop with the false assumptions.
I am against getting Cliff Lee. I have always said we need to get a solid starter who is pre-prime or just entering prime, and who is under team control for several years. I know it is not easy, but apparently you think there is no better starter than Doubront out there.
My guess is there aren't many out there right now that a team would give up. Maybe Chris Sale, he's young and under team control. Now I'd do that...
He's not available, but is he the only younger starter better than Doubront? Do all young starters come to camp out of shape in 2 of the last 3 seasons? Am I missing something you are seeing?
The game today, due to the cost of it, is ALL about accumulating young, good, teamed control pitching. And Doubrant is one of those guys. As is Tazawa,Webster,Barnes,Ranaudo,RDLR,and others......it's pretty clear that that is the RS approach going forward. Upgrading our 5th starter who is 15-12 over the last 2 yrs and cost us chump change right now is prob not a priority for the front office IMO...
I never siad it was. I'm also not for upgrading our 5th starter for a better 5th starter profile, unless he is under team control for as long as Doubront. I'm for trying to get a 1-2 slot starter profile, but realize we may need to settle on a solid #3 starter profile. He should be under team control for 2-3+ years, and hopefully be under 31. It may cost us a few prospects and/or involve a 3rd team to take Ellsbury and Drew (and possibly Salty or Aceves), but I think it might be doable. I will post my specifics suggestions in July, when the picture is more clear.
They will keep both Drew and Ells and take the comp pick or picks for both and be happy with that ( unless someone blows them away or they lose 20 in a row and fall out of contention)
You are clueless to think Drew will get a QO and a comp pick.
Iggy is here to stay and will be the util infielder the rest of the yr, and if Drew falters will take over.
Drew has been faltering for 3 years: wake up and smell the coffee.
It's a long yr and he ll play a lot. Same with JBJ..both will play quite a bit this yr and be ready to take SS and cf for good next yr. which is 20 mil or more saved off our payroll.
Magically they will be ready next year, but aren't now. I gottcha.
So big...Heck...Naps might even net us a comp pick.
He might, but you don't see me talking about trading him, unless we are out of it.
I don't see them throwing any real money at Salty at this point either, so I think he walks too. With him, Naps,Ells, Drew, Hanrahan and others gone next yr your looking at 40 plus or minus to fill 2 or 3 holes. Catcher, 1b, and maybe closer. Brian McCann, if he shows his labrum is 100 percent would be my target in the offseason to solve our catching woes.
McCann will cost 2-3 times what Salty costs for about the same results.
We could free up all the money you suggested AND have a few players or prospects to show for losing the ones that wont get a draft pick comp.
With Lava backing up waiting in the wings. 1b they ll just get a rental to buy another yr toset Boggie and Cecchini a little closer to the bigs to give them more options. They're in pretty good shape right now, both short term, and long term.
We are in pretty good shape, but getting complacent is not a good strategy. We need to try and improve our team, and to me it is quite clear that letting several players walk with no compensation returned, is not good baseball.
A couple things...
Is is so much of a stretch to think that if Drew Bats 280 with a 340+ OBP and a 780+ ops some team wouldnt want a just turned 30yr old SS on a 3-4 year deal? why would he take a QO. I think if Drew did get those numbers you would have to carefully look at every team that may be involved and all the other factors involved if you wanted to extend a QO. Thats hardly "clueless" to suggested it might happen depending on the circumstances. He never said he would get one.
"Drew has been faltering for 3 years" is very misleading and Im surprised you stooped to that level. He was hurt over the past 2 years and got off to a slow start due to a concussion this year. 2011, 2012 and 2013. He hit almost 900OPS for May and Im sure his numbers will improve. "wake up and smell the coffee"? really, after you use 2 injured years and 2 months of the 3rd year? You refuse to recognize that he was becoming one of the better MLB SS before the injury. His defense, like I tried to tell people, is a LOT better than what the defensive metrics say and if you havent watched him play or talked with someone in the AZ organization, then you have no idea. Also...He'll hit. He always has. He was just on a tear since 4/22. Im sure he'll slow down a bit then go on another tear.
I dont even want to resign Drew and cant wait to see Iggy play SS. I understand why they signed another SS and agree with the move. Its made Iggy work harder and has given him a chip on his shoulder, in a good way though. But those on here who have no clue about Drew and have never really seen him play, or uses his injury years to define him make me laugh. It does nothing for those peoples credibility.