A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    It was an interesting comment today by Farrell stating "WMB would have to get his swing back to rejoin the club".

    I guess this, at least temporarily, solves the 3rd base Iggy dilemma.

     
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    "To me, we could become one of the top ring contenders if we fill one of our two weakest links:

           1) Solid & dependable starting pitcher under team control for 2+ seasons and 

                not past prime by the end of his contract.

            2) A solid right-handed middle of the order bat (LF, CF or RF)

    I'd love to win this year, but I am more concerned about our extended future, so making a trade to help us now, should also help us in 2014 and beyond."

     

    -Yup. That's where I'm at also. But if a trade like that happens soon, i think it would totally help this years team. I mean, they should trade for instant help (if it's not why bother) that's controllable for a couple years. 

     

    It's harder to find a very good player under team control for several years without giving up a lot of prospects. I'm not for mortgaging the future for now, but if the player is very good and here beyond 2014, I'd consider any trade.

    I am also not against a trade that might not provide "instant help". I'd be fine with trading Ellsbury for a nice prospect once Shane is healthy. I'm also Okay with trading Drew for a nice prospect, but I'm not sure he could net one, unless we pay half or more of his deal. What I really think might be best is to trade Ellsbury and Drew for prospects, and then trade a few prospects for an "instant help" player who is under team control for 2+ years. Maybe he's a salary dump type player. Maybe we get a good player for cheap by taking another player at high salary with him (like Lowell with Beckett). Maybe we trade some prospects plus Doubront for a better starting pitcher with about the same amount of team control.

    Sox4ever

     
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    It was an interesting comment today by Farrell stating "WMB would have to get his swing back to rejoin the club".

    I guess this, at least temporarily, solves the 3rd base Iggy dilemma.

     

    That is interesting... and the correct position to take.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Out of curiosity, who would be some of the pitchers who would fit the above criteria?

    I'm sure some of you guys out there have a pretty good idea.

     
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    Sox OPS by position as compared to the rest of the AL:

    C:  .791  4th

    1B: .849 6th

    2B: .854  1st

    3B: .734  8th

    SS: .803  2nd

    LF: .806  3rd

    CF: .710  8th

    RF: .823  4th

    DH: 1.007 1st

    Interesting that our weakest OPS position and worst position by comparison is the CF position.

    Another interesting note: Sox team catcher OPS in recent years.

    2013: .791 (More than 100 points better than 2012!)

    2012: .690

    2011: .732

    2010: .777

    2009: .772

    2008: .660

    2007: .740

    2006: .663

    2005: .806

    2004: .872

    2003: .831

     

     

     

     

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    6 positions over .800 and 7 over .791.

    Sox4ever

     
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    It was an interesting comment today by Farrell stating "WMB would have to get his swing back to rejoin the club".

    I guess this, at least temporarily, solves the 3rd base Iggy dilemma.

     



     I've been wondering .   I can agree with this but...

     

    1 In order to get your swing back you have to play.

    2 One of the two things the Sox need is a right hand hitter with some pop in the middle of the order.




    No one says he's not going to play.

    He will be playing and probably under less scrutiny there than in Boston.

     
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    It was an interesting comment today by Farrell stating "WMB would have to get his swing back to rejoin the club".

    I guess this, at least temporarily, solves the 3rd base Iggy dilemma.

     



     I've been wondering .   I can agree with this but...

     

    1 In order to get your swing back you have to play.

    2 One of the two things the Sox need is a right hand hitter with some pop in the middle of the order.

    I think he means this: WMB will get a rehab assignment regardless, but perhaps he will not come back to the big club as soon as he feels 100%. If he is struggling at the plate in rehab, he may stay longer.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Looks like he may be regaining his swing quickly.

    Now, if Manager John will just play Iggy at SS when the "Will-Da-Beast" returns to the big club.

    It's just days away from the date we can trade Drew.

     

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    What do you think we can get for Drew? 

    My guess is very little.

    So if Drew is gone that leaves us with Cinaco and Holt as replacement Drws.

    Risky business for a contending team no?

    I'll be suprised if Drew is traded.




    I agree 100%.  At the very very least, Drew is vastly better than Ciriaco or Holt.  With WMB, Iglesias and Drew we have enviable depth.

     
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    What do you think we can get for Drew? 

    My guess is very little.

    So if Drew is gone that leaves us with Cinaco and Holt as replacement Drws.

    Risky business for a contending team no?

    I'll be suprised if Drew is traded.

     




    I agree 100%.  At the very very least, Drew is vastly better than Ciriaco or Holt.  With WMB, Iglesias and Drew we have enviable depth.

     

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    Yup.

    Ciriaco is expendable. Drew is not.

     
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    It was an interesting comment today by Farrell stating "WMB would have to get his swing back to rejoin the club".

    I guess this, at least temporarily, solves the 3rd base Iggy dilemma.



    I'm glad to hear this because I do not want Iggy to be just a utility player.  

     
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    It was an interesting comment today by Farrell stating "WMB would have to get his swing back to rejoin the club".

    I guess this, at least temporarily, solves the 3rd base Iggy dilemma.

     



    I'm glad to hear this because I do not want Iggy to be just a utility player.  

     

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    Iggy will be the full time SS next year.

    I can live with him being a UIF this year.

     
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    What do you think we can get for Drew? 

    My guess is very little.

    So if Drew is gone that leaves us with Cinaco and Holt as replacement Drws.

    Risky business for a contending team no?

    I'll be suprised if Drew is traded.

     

     




    I agree 100%.  At the very very least, Drew is vastly better than Ciriaco or Holt.  With WMB, Iglesias and Drew we have enviable depth.

     

     

     

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    Yup.

     

    Ciriaco is expendable. Drew is not.

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    Glad to see Im not the only one thinking clearly here.

     
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    At this point, for Iggy & JBJ, i'd like to think that maybe guys like Ortiz, Pedroia, Victorino could give them some real time pointers on how to approach some ABs. Atleast i hope they're picking their brains, asking questions, not just just laughing at jokes or old baseball idioms. An good education can be found in more places than one. 

     
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    I've been accused of reading too much into what I see during games.  But I was impressed when both Pedey and Papi hugged Iggy after his homer the other night.  I thought it showed team leaders really rooting for him.  Maybe they think he is deserving of a shot.  Some guys are really motivated to play for their mates approval...I was impressed with Lackey through (4) last night, thought that was about as good as I've seen him.  After that Curt said he wasn't following through properly.

    Moon, I want to give you a heads up.  If I see you in Portland this summer, I want to ask you about buying land "in trust" in Mexico, the ramifications of tax laws if living there when retired (more than six months a year) etc.  I thought you would be one person who might know.  Hope you can give me some insight.

     

     

     
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    Middlebrooks was 2 for 3, with a walk, a homer to CF, and 5 RBI's, for the Pawsox.

     

    Yes and 1 for two in his first game and a BB in both games.

    As I said yesterday it's a given he can hit AAA

     

    It's his 2nd year and MLB teams might have exposed a weak spot in his hitting

    Hope that's not the case but Will has to prove his worth in Boston not Paw.

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    I wouldn't trade Drew until WMB is back. If WMB or Iggy gets hurt, we can use Ciriaco until we pick up a cheap defensive sepecialist off the scrap heep.

     
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    In response to darrylfries's comment:

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    What do you think we can get for Drew? 

    My guess is very little.

    So if Drew is gone that leaves us with Cinaco and Holt as replacement Drws.

    Risky business for a contending team no?

    I'll be suprised if Drew is traded.

     




    I agree 100%.  At the very very least, Drew is vastly better than Ciriaco or Holt.  With WMB, Iglesias and Drew we have enviable depth.

     

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    If Drew is so good, why don't other GMs want him? (We could pay more than half of his remaining contract.)

    There no hurry to trade Drew. He is certainly better than Holt or Ciriaco, but his value on the bench is less than his value to another GM in need of a SS and a LH'd bat.

     
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    Glad to see Im not the only one thinking clearly here.

    Seeing clearly through the fog.

    ;) 

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    Moon, I want to give you a heads up.  If I see you in Portland this summer, I want to ask you about buying land "in trust" in Mexico, the ramifications of tax laws if living there when retired (more than six months a year) etc.  I thought you would be one person who might know.  Hope you can give me some insight.

    I do know some. It is risky. We'll talk.

    I'm thinking of moving back to Mexico myself in 8-10 years.

    Sox4ever

     

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