Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II
posted at 2/19/2013 4:46 PM EST
In response to moonslav59's comment:
If 99% of players will go for money, then you think the Sox should have drastically outbid the Diamondbacks for a guy like McCarthy, even though his preference was not to pitch here? I can tell you that this Front Office will no longer do that. Consider the "lesson learned" with Gonzalez and Crawford. Again, the Sox weren't interested in McCarthy for some of the reasons I mentioned, which make a lot of sense to me.
I realize the Sox weren't interested in McCarthy. That is the topic of debate to some extent. Why weren't they?
I thought I covered this. Again:
1. They wanted a guy who could be relied upon to give them innings. McCarthy has never come close to pitching 200 innings.
2. They were concerned about his shoulder and frequent trips to the D.L.
3. He was hit in the face with a line drive and hasn't pitched since. Remember Matt Clement? Bryce Florie? It sounded like Ben does, since he was with the Sox when both incidents happened.
4. They really want to get away from overpaying guys who prefer to be somewhere else. Crawford, Gonzalez, Renteria, etc...
These seem like pretty legit reasons to me. You don't?
Maybe it was because they knew he wanted the west coast and would cost too much to "outbid" AZ (who incidently, is not on the west coast). Maybe it was his health issues. Maybe they made teh right choice. Maybe not.
Persoanally, I'd have offered him $25M/3. If we had, and he turned it down, I would be here voicing this opinion.
The Sox clearly disagree, based on the reasons above, but fair enough.
Marcum is another story, but let's just say that when Ben said he puts a lot of emphasis on a player's "makeup," Marcum wasn't going to be an option. Whether or not you believe that or not doesn't really matter, the fact is that neither player were considered "options" by the guys who get paid to make those decisions. It's time to move on...
With all due respect, you keep acting like we are claiming to know better than Ben, or that we don't understand why these gusy weren't signed here. That doesn't or shouldn't stop any speculation about players not signed or traded for.
I'm not claiming you "know better than Ben," I'm just helping you understand why there was no way the Sox were bringing in Marcum and why there was little to no interest in the guy despite his "stats." It's what I was told when I asked a reliable source. Nothing more, nothing less...
Besides, it is not just about the FAs. The Indians got the #14 player on BA top 100 list for 1 year of Choo. I'm sorry, but I think we could have gotten that or more for Ellsbury. Will Myers is the 4th rated prospect...higher than Bogaerts. Would you have traded Lester and his 2 years of team control and high cost for 6+ years of Bogaerts?
I put about as much stock into "prospect lists" as I do into the National Inquirer (fun to read sometimes, but the accuracy is usually way off), but no I would not have considered trading Lester for Myers. Boegarts is a shortstop, which is a little different than an outfielder, and I don't know enough about Myers' makeup. I doubt I would trade Lester for any single "highly rated" prospect, but I know I wouldn't trade Boegarts for Myers, despite their "rankings."
I know, i know. It was impossible for us to get these two, because Ben didn't want them at some cost, so let's not discuss it.
Discuss away, I'm just explaining why it was never an option. Maybe it's because you've brought up McCarthy in over 100 posts, while at times making it sound like the Sox made a grave error not signing the guy, that I come across like he was never even a thought internally. We can agree to disagree, we are good at it!