A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Not bad numbers, but also not the types of numbers that will lead a 69 win team, that was actually worse after the big trade, to a title in 1 year.

     



    Partially agree.  Partially because I think this everyday lineup, if it stays reasonably healthy, is 'good enough' to go deep in the playoffs.  But only if the starting pitching is vastly improved, and that's where things get very shaky.

     

     



    I agree. I think our offense should be better, and except for maybe papi, naps and drew I don't see health being something that should be expected.

     

    Our SPs have the potential to be playoff caliber, but to me, that involves too many things all going right at the same time. I'm hoping for the best.

    Other teams improving also scares me, and except for the Yanks, Rangers and O's, I think many teams that were ahead of us last year got even better, but even some of those teams were so much better than us last year that they might still end up better this year as well.

    In the AL, I see only the Twins as being clearly worse than us. The Indians and KC both got better, but can easily be worse than us. The Mariners CWS, and O's should be close. That's 6 teams that look as good or worse than us. That leaves 8 teams that I rate better than us, and there are only 5 slots to make the playoffs. That's a tough hill to climb.



    its why we play the games moony

     
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    Not bad numbers, but also not the types of numbers that will lead a 69 win team, that was actually worse after the big trade, to a title in 1 year.

     



    Partially agree.  Partially because I think this everyday lineup, if it stays reasonably healthy, is 'good enough' to go deep in the playoffs.  But only if the starting pitching is vastly improved, and that's where things get very shaky.

     

     



    I agree. I think our offense should be better, and except for maybe papi, naps and drew I don't see health being something that should be expected.

     

    Our SPs have the potential to be playoff caliber, but to me, that involves too many things all going right at the same time. I'm hoping for the best.

    Other teams improving also scares me, and except for the Yanks, Rangers and O's, I think many teams that were ahead of us last year got even better, but even some of those teams were so much better than us last year that they might still end up better this year as well.

    In the AL, I see only the Twins as being clearly worse than us. The Indians and KC both got better, but can easily be worse than us. The Mariners CWS, and O's should be close. That's 6 teams that look as good or worse than us. That leaves 8 teams that I rate better than us, and there are only 5 slots to make the playoffs. That's a tough hill to climb.

     



    its why we play the games moony

     



    ...and that's why I love to watch every pitch of evry game, every year.  

    Sometimes twice.

     
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    Not bad numbers, but also not the types of numbers that will lead a 69 win team, that was actually worse after the big trade, to a title in 1 year.

     



    Partially agree.  Partially because I think this everyday lineup, if it stays reasonably healthy, is 'good enough' to go deep in the playoffs.  But only if the starting pitching is vastly improved, and that's where things get very shaky.

     

     



    I agree. I think our offense should be better, and except for maybe papi, naps and drew I don't see health being something that should be expected.

     

    Our SPs have the potential to be playoff caliber, but to me, that involves too many things all going right at the same time. I'm hoping for the best.

    Other teams improving also scares me, and except for the Yanks, Rangers and O's, I think many teams that were ahead of us last year got even better, but even some of those teams were so much better than us last year that they might still end up better this year as well.

    In the AL, I see only the Twins as being clearly worse than us. The Indians and KC both got better, but can easily be worse than us. The Mariners CWS, and O's should be close. That's 6 teams that look as good or worse than us. That leaves 8 teams that I rate better than us, and there are only 5 slots to make the playoffs. That's a tough hill to climb.

     



    its why we play the games moony

     

     



    ...and that's why I love to watch every pitch of evry game, every year.  

     

    Sometimes twice.



    well good. we can play the SS game again :)

    just like we did last year with Aviles we can judge every ball that gets past Drew and speculate whether Iggy could have gotten to it or not.

     
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    ...and that's why I love to watch every pitch of evry game, every year.  

     

    Sometimes twice.

     



    well good. we can play the SS game again :)

     

    just like we did last year with Aviles we can judge every ball that gets past Drew and speculate whether Iggy could have gotten to it or not.

     

    I hope I am proven as wrong about Drew as I was about Aviles and range.

    (BTW, I was wrong about Scutaro too. I thought he was better than he turned out to be here in Boston.)

     
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    ...and that's why I love to watch every pitch of evry game, every year.  

     

    Sometimes twice.

     



    well good. we can play the SS game again :)

     

    just like we did last year with Aviles we can judge every ball that gets past Drew and speculate whether Iggy could have gotten to it or not.

     

    I hope I am proven as wrong about Drew as I was about Aviles and range.

    (BTW, I was wrong about Scutaro too. I thought he was better than he turned out to be here in Boston.)



    Drew has been up and down as a fielder, there was a season or 2 where he was above average and a season or 2 where he was below average.. The ankle injury isn;t going to help him BUT he seems to be fully healed from it so i think it should be a non-issue at this point. We will find out soon enough though.

     
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    ...and that's why I love to watch every pitch of evry game, every year.  

     

    Sometimes twice.

     



    well good. we can play the SS game again :)

     

    just like we did last year with Aviles we can judge every ball that gets past Drew and speculate whether Iggy could have gotten to it or not.

     

    I hope I am proven as wrong about Drew as I was about Aviles and range.

    (BTW, I was wrong about Scutaro too. I thought he was better than he turned out to be here in Boston.)

     



    Drew has been up and down as a fielder, there was a season or 2 where he was above average and a season or 2 where he was below average.. The ankle injury isn;t going to help him BUT he seems to be fully healed from it so i think it should be a non-issue at this point. We will find out soon enough though.

     



    His overall career numbers show a really bad range. I doubt he gets any better with a pin in his ankle in that area of defense, which happens to be a big chunk of what SS D is all about.

     
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    ...and that's why I love to watch every pitch of evry game, every year.  

     

    Sometimes twice.

     



    well good. we can play the SS game again :)

     

    just like we did last year with Aviles we can judge every ball that gets past Drew and speculate whether Iggy could have gotten to it or not.

     

    I hope I am proven as wrong about Drew as I was about Aviles and range.

    (BTW, I was wrong about Scutaro too. I thought he was better than he turned out to be here in Boston.)

     



    Drew has been up and down as a fielder, there was a season or 2 where he was above average and a season or 2 where he was below average.. The ankle injury isn;t going to help him BUT he seems to be fully healed from it so i think it should be a non-issue at this point. We will find out soon enough though.

     

     



    His overall career numbers show a really bad range. I doubt he gets any better with a pin in his ankle in that area of defense, which happens to be a big chunk of what SS D is all about.

     




    still don't buy it. Pedroia played with a pin in his foot and put up MVP worthy numbers and GG defense.

     
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    His overall career numbers show a really bad range. I doubt he gets any better with a pin in his ankle in that area of defense, which happens to be a big chunk of what SS D is all about.

     

     




    still don't buy it. Pedroia played with a pin in his foot and put up MVP worthy numbers and GG defense.

     

    Pedey is a freak.

    Drew never had good range, so I'm not expecting a pin and a 30th birthday to improve on it.

     
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    Moon, you and I agree that Iggy should be our starting shortstop. In fact, I filled out the interactive batting order in  today's Globe with Bradley Jr leading off and Iggy batting ninth. But I am also of the opinion that Drew will be a solid upgrade over Aviles defensively. He looked good tonight and so did Napoli. But the highlight to tonight's game, in my opinion, was the pitching. Lester looked very sharp; he was popplng the mitt and his breaking pitches had good bite. Rubby was equally impressive; it seemed like he had two strikes on every hitter. Wright had two very clean innings before walks got him in trouble, but most of his outs were recorded against subs for the JV team.

     
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    Moon, you and I agree that Iggy should be our starting shortstop. In fact, I filled out the interactive batting order in  today's Globe with Bradley Jr leading off and Iggy batting ninth. But I am also of the opinion that Drew will be a solid upgrade over Aviles defensively. He looked good tonight and so did Napoli. But the highlight to tonight's game, in my opinion, was the pitching. Lester looked very sharp; he was popplng the mitt and his breaking pitches had good bite. Rubby was equally impressive; it seemed like he had two strikes on every hitter. Wright had two very clean innings before walks got him in trouble, but most of his outs were recorded against subs for the JV team.



    Aviles played a very decent SS on defense in 2012. Quite frankly, he shocked me. I was so prepared to prove how Iggy would have saved 75-125 hits last year, but I stopped counting after a few weeks. I think I had 2-3 plays by the end of April.

    Maybe Drew is better than Aviles, but I'll be surprised if he does better than the 2012 version of Aviles. Mike was 9th best last year in UZR and 7th in RngR.

    My point has been this: it's not as simple as Iggy vs Drew should be viewed as Iggy plus a $9.5M upgrade at another position vs Drew.

     
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    Moon, you and I agree that Iggy should be our starting shortstop. In fact, I filled out the interactive batting order in  today's Globe with Bradley Jr leading off and Iggy batting ninth. But I am also of the opinion that Drew will be a solid upgrade over Aviles defensively. He looked good tonight and so did Napoli. But the highlight to tonight's game, in my opinion, was the pitching. Lester looked very sharp; he was popplng the mitt and his breaking pitches had good bite. Rubby was equally impressive; it seemed like he had two strikes on every hitter. Wright had two very clean innings before walks got him in trouble, but most of his outs were recorded against subs for the JV team.



    Lester still can't get a strike call though. the umps still hate him. It's easy to see.

     
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    Pedey is a freak.

    Drew never had good range, so I'm not expecting a pin and a 30th birthday to improve on it.



    You threw in 30th birthday for effect, right?  A ballplayer doesn't lose much in year 30 do they?

     

     
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    Moon, you and I agree that Iggy should be our starting shortstop. In fact, I filled out the interactive batting order in  today's Globe with Bradley Jr leading off and Iggy batting ninth. But I am also of the opinion that Drew will be a solid upgrade over Aviles defensively. He looked good tonight and so did Napoli. But the highlight to tonight's game, in my opinion, was the pitching. Lester looked very sharp; he was popplng the mitt and his breaking pitches had good bite. Rubby was equally impressive; it seemed like he had two strikes on every hitter. Wright had two very clean innings before walks got him in trouble, but most of his outs were recorded against subs for the JV team.

     



    Lester still can't get a strike call though. the umps still hate him. It's easy to see.

     

     



    Boom, I couldn't tell if he was getting sqeezed or not, but I never saw any of the histrionics he displayed last year which really pi$$es off umpires.

     

     
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    Pedey is a freak.

    Drew never had good range, so I'm not expecting a pin and a 30th birthday to improve on it.

     



    You threw in 30th birthday for effect, right?  A ballplayer doesn't lose much in year 30 do they?

     

     



    It was meant to show that players don't gain range at age 30. It seems some here are expecting Drew to get better than his career norm on defense as he turns 30 and deals with a relatively recent pin put in his ankle. I am hoping for the best, but am not as optimistic about his 2013 fielding.

     
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    Lester still can't get a strike call though. the umps still hate him. It's easy to see.

     

     



    Boom, I couldn't tell if he was getting sqeezed or not, but I never saw any of the histrionics he displayed last year which really pi$$es off umpires.

     

    It may take time to reverse the effects.

     
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    Linares goes yard today.

     
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    It's early and the pitchers are only going an inning or two, often against backups, but it's encouraging the young pitchers doing well at this point.  Seems like we've go some good depth.

     
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    Moon, you and I agree that Iggy should be our starting shortstop. In fact, I filled out the interactive batting order in  today's Globe with Bradley Jr leading off and Iggy batting ninth. But I am also of the opinion that Drew will be a solid upgrade over Aviles defensively. He looked good tonight and so did Napoli. But the highlight to tonight's game, in my opinion, was the pitching. Lester looked very sharp; he was popplng the mitt and his breaking pitches had good bite. Rubby was equally impressive; it seemed like he had two strikes on every hitter. Wright had two very clean innings before walks got him in trouble, but most of his outs were recorded against subs for the JV team.

     



    Lester still can't get a strike call though. the umps still hate him. It's easy to see.

     

     



    Boom, I couldn't tell if he was getting sqeezed or not, but I never saw any of the histrionics he displayed last year which really pi$$es off umpires.

     



    I agree that Lester didn't show the histrionics that he is known for but I really think the umps have it in for him still. Hopefully they will give him a break over time.

     
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    Linares goes yard today.



    I've always liked this guy. I think he could be this year's sleeper.

     
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    Both Victorino and Gomes fill his slot though, as both are extremely strong against LH pitching. He's probably our best depth from AAA ball though, beyond potentially Nava and JBJ.

     
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    Both Victorino and Gomes fill his slot though, as both are extremely strong against LH pitching. He's probably our best depth from AAA ball though, beyond potentially Nava and JBJ.

     



    Yes, both Gomes and SV have near insane numbers vs LHPs recently, but my guess is one of our OF'ers will get hurt this year. Linares may be better than both of them vs RHPs, so maybe overall, he could do a good job out there. He may also be Papi's replacement if injured (Gomes to DH- Linares to LF).

     

     
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    Both Victorino and Gomes fill his slot though, as both are extremely strong against LH pitching. He's probably our best depth from AAA ball though, beyond potentially Nava and JBJ.

     



    Yes, both Gomes and SV have near insane numbers vs LHPs recently, but my guess is one of our OF'ers will get hurt this year. Linares may be better than both of them vs RHPs, so maybe overall, he could do a good job out there. He may also be Papi's replacement if injured (Gomes to DH- Linares to LF).

     




    i think in the event papi goes down that Naps will DH and Nava/Carp/Overbay take over 1st base.

    it's not like Naps defensively abilities are envious ya know? and we can try to keep him as healthy as possible

     
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    Drew is better on defense than his numbers suggest. hes a smart ballplayer and like his brother, positions himself correctly and get great jumps on balls. His "range" might not be great, but he gets to balls because of what I listed above. Hes not as bad as it would appear.

     
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    it's not like Naps defensively abilities are envious ya know? and we can try to keep him as healthy as possible.

    Naps may not be very good at 1B, but my guess is he is better than Nava. Of course, if his hip is tender, the Naps should DH.

     
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