A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Emp9, is that you Ted? If you read Cafardo today he seems certain that Bradley WILL break camp with the team. That's a complete departure from what he has been writing all spring.

     



    I just did. Thanx! So someone got the reference. Yeah this tough decision is quickly turning into a no-brainer. There's zero harm done if flops. Only question left for me is, what if he doesn't? 

     




    It would be incredibly stupid not to take some sort of action to insure that extra year of team control, either  now or later in the year. Once that is in the books Bradley should be in the majors.

     
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    i would think that the quetion depends on the cast and makeup of the platers srrounding the shortstop    if the rest of the team has good hitters ...you can get away with a weak hitting shortstop

     




    Of course! If we had a devastating offense we could afford a black hole. I don't think we will have that kind of offense this year.I also don't think it really matters who plays SS if our pitching does not significantly improve.

     

     



    Take it one step further, getting a SS that may save 80+ hits over a season would significantly improve our pitching numbers. They go deeper into the game with lower pitch counts, save the pen, have more confidence, and keep us in more of those lower scoring games that we always seem to lose more than  we win.

     




    This is the essence of our difference of opinion about Iglesias. I say SHOW ME and you are willing to give him a chance without proof that Iggy can hit well enough to compensate for his however many runs he may save on defense. I think 250 PAs at the AAA level this year should give us enough evidence of where he is at with the bat. There is no real way to calculate how many plays he will make that Drew will not, nor what OPS he must reach to make his overall presence on the team worthwhile. I respect your opinion on this, but I just disagree. I think he has to PROVE himself before he is given a ticket to Boston.

     
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    Emp9, is that you Ted? If you read Cafardo today he seems certain that Bradley WILL break camp with the team. That's a complete departure from what he has been writing all spring.

     



    I just did. Thanx! So someone got the reference. Yeah this tough decision is quickly turning into a no-brainer. There's zero harm done if flops. Only question left for me is, what if he doesn't? 

     



    BTW: are you the Ted from TalkSox? The King of TalkSox is also named Ted. Just curious.

     
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    No. Its a nod to Teddy Ballgame. That and an ex-Microsoft EMPloyee who set-up ecstasy testing locations across the US so kids knew they had the real thing instead of the fake stuff kids were dying of. It's just an obscure double-entendre. Sorry to disappoint. 

     
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    This is the essence of our difference of opinion about Iglesias. I say SHOW ME and you are willing to give him a chance without proof that Iggy can hit well enough to compensate for his however many runs he may save on defense. I think 250 PAs at the AAA level this year should give us enough evidence of where he is at with the bat. There is no real way to calculate how many plays he will make that Drew will not, nor what OPS he must reach to make his overall presence on the team worthwhile. I respect your opinion on this, but I just disagree. I think he has to PROVE himself before he is given a ticket to Boston

    I'm not projecting a near .700 OPS. I'd be happy with .600.

    Fielding is much easier to project from the minors to majors.

    Everyone knos he is a superb fielder.

    Almost everyone agrees that Drew has limitations.

    Some feel the pin in his ankle may further those limitations.

    Evidence clearly shows the best SSs make 80-130 more plays than the poor ones.

    I do not think it is a leap of faith to expect 60-80 more plays from Iggy over Drew.

    Projecting the offense is harder, but my position maintains that if Iggy can make 60-80 more plays on defense, he doesn't need to have an OPS over .600. 

    Why do you need him to prove his offense, but don't trust the defense that he has shown over several years already?

     
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    This is the essence of our difference of opinion about Iglesias. I say SHOW ME and you are willing to give him a chance without proof that Iggy can hit well enough to compensate for his however many runs he may save on defense. I think 250 PAs at the AAA level this year should give us enough evidence of where he is at with the bat. There is no real way to calculate how many plays he will make that Drew will not, nor what OPS he must reach to make his overall presence on the team worthwhile. I respect your opinion on this, but I just disagree. I think he has to PROVE himself before he is given a ticket to Boston

    I'm not projecting a near .700 OPS. I'd be happy with .600.

    Fielding is much easier to project from the minors to majors.

    Everyone knos he is a superb fielder.

    Almost everyone agrees that Drew has limitations.

    Some feel the pin in his ankle may further those limitations.

    Evidence clearly shows the best SSs make 80-130 more plays than the poor ones.

    I do not think it is a leap of faith to expect 60-80 more plays from Iggy over Drew.

    Projecting the offense is harder, but my position maintains that if Iggy can make 60-80 more plays on defense, he doesn't need to have an OPS over .600. 

    Why do you need him to prove his offense, but don't trust the defense that he has shown over several years already?



    Simple: because he has never proven his offense. Anywhere. Except A ball. I do not want a player, any player, with an OPS of .600 on my team. I would rather have a good SS defensively (not necessarily a great one) who can also contribute a bit with the bat and is not a virtual automatic out. You do realize that I wish for the best for Iggy; if he can learn to hit the baseball he could become a tremendous asset. Right now, he is AAA caliber, at best, overall.

     
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    This is the essence of our difference of opinion about Iglesias. I say SHOW ME and you are willing to give him a chance without proof that Iggy can hit well enough to compensate for his however many runs he may save on defense. I think 250 PAs at the AAA level this year should give us enough evidence of where he is at with the bat. There is no real way to calculate how many plays he will make that Drew will not, nor what OPS he must reach to make his overall presence on the team worthwhile. I respect your opinion on this, but I just disagree. I think he has to PROVE himself before he is given a ticket to Boston

    I'm not projecting a near .700 OPS. I'd be happy with .600.

    Fielding is much easier to project from the minors to majors.

    Everyone knos he is a superb fielder.

    Almost everyone agrees that Drew has limitations.

    Some feel the pin in his ankle may further those limitations.

    Evidence clearly shows the best SSs make 80-130 more plays than the poor ones.

    I do not think it is a leap of faith to expect 60-80 more plays from Iggy over Drew.

    Projecting the offense is harder, but my position maintains that if Iggy can make 60-80 more plays on defense, he doesn't need to have an OPS over .600. 

    Why do you need him to prove his offense, but don't trust the defense that he has shown over several years already?

     



    Simple: because he has never proven his offense. Anywhere. Except A ball. I do not want a player, any player, with an OPS of .600 on my team. I would rather have a good SS defensively (not necessarily a great one) who can also contribute a bit with the bat and is not a virtual automatic out. You do realize that I wish for the best for Iggy; if he can learn to hit the baseball he could become a tremendous asset. Right now, he is AAA caliber, at best, overall.

     



    I think we have come full circle. You must not think Iggy can save 60-120 hits over Drew on defense, or you think an extra 40 hits (XBHs) by Drew outweighs allowing twice that to the opps.

    Yes, if Iggy learns to hit, he can become a tremendous asset, but just because Drew gets on base at a .310-.325 rate, it does not mean he comes close to being tremendous either. His fielding likely offserts any possible good offense and then some. It's the trade-off differentials we must disagree on. You think Drew's .320 OBP offserts his poor fielding (average at best), and I think Iggy's fielding more than offsets his poor hitting.

     

     
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    This is the essence of our difference of opinion about Iglesias. I say SHOW ME and you are willing to give him a chance without proof that Iggy can hit well enough to compensate for his however many runs he may save on defense. I think 250 PAs at the AAA level this year should give us enough evidence of where he is at with the bat. There is no real way to calculate how many plays he will make that Drew will not, nor what OPS he must reach to make his overall presence on the team worthwhile. I respect your opinion on this, but I just disagree. I think he has to PROVE himself before he is given a ticket to Boston

    I'm not projecting a near .700 OPS. I'd be happy with .600.

    Fielding is much easier to project from the minors to majors.

    Everyone knos he is a superb fielder.

    Almost everyone agrees that Drew has limitations.

    Some feel the pin in his ankle may further those limitations.

    Evidence clearly shows the best SSs make 80-130 more plays than the poor ones.

    I do not think it is a leap of faith to expect 60-80 more plays from Iggy over Drew.

    Projecting the offense is harder, but my position maintains that if Iggy can make 60-80 more plays on defense, he doesn't need to have an OPS over .600. 

    Why do you need him to prove his offense, but don't trust the defense that he has shown over several years already?

     



    Simple: because he has never proven his offense. Anywhere. Except A ball. I do not want a player, any player, with an OPS of .600 on my team. I would rather have a good SS defensively (not necessarily a great one) who can also contribute a bit with the bat and is not a virtual automatic out. You do realize that I wish for the best for Iggy; if he can learn to hit the baseball he could become a tremendous asset. Right now, he is AAA caliber, at best, overall.

     

     



    I think we have come full circle. You must not think Iggy can save 60-120 hits over Drew on defense, or you think an extra 40 hits (XBHs) by Drew outweighs allowing twice that to the opps.

     

    Yes, if Iggy learns to hit, he can become a tremendous asset, but just because Drew gets on base at a .310-.325 rate, it does not mean he comes close to being tremendous either. His fielding likely offserts any possible good offense and then some. It's the trade-off differentials we must disagree on. You think Drew's .320 OBP offserts his poor fielding (average at best), and I think Iggy's fielding more than offsets his poor hitting.

     



    Drew has a career defensive WAR of 4.2 which is a little above average, as I understand it (correct me if I a wrong). I do not know how many more hits Iggy will take away than Drew, nor how many runs those hits will prevent. If I could accurately calculate exactly how many runs that would amount to, or calculate exactly how many hits Iggy will take away and how much that offsets his atrocious offense I would perhaps allow someone with an OPS of .600 in my lineup. I can't; and you can't either. So I want a guy who can contribute at least somewhat on both sides of the game. It a difference in philosophy.
    Why do you think the FO went out and got Drew if they have Iglesias waiting in the wings? Not that they are always right, but I think they got this one correct. Credit where credit is due.

     
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    Speaking of Scott Boras, he just earned a nice commission check for helping Kyle Lohse sign with the Brewers.  A 3-year, $33 million deal with an additional $1 million in performance bonuses.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2013/story/_/id/9096239/milwaukee-brewers-agree-deal-kyle-lohse-source-says

     
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    Tonight's report from the fort..

    Yes, today's slugfest was a road game, but I took advantage of Peter Abraham's invitation in yesterday's Globe to come down to minor league mania and see scattered major leaguers. Well, we saw two major leaguers, Doubront pitched @six innings, and around 100 pitches. I say around six innings because there was at least one two out inning where Doubie had probably reached his per-inning pitch limit. He looked very solid against the high A team from Baltimore, lots of strike-outs, one walk that I saw and two pick-offs. The other big leaguer was Pedro Ciriaco who struck out and tripled in the two times I saw him hit. He and Marrerro alternated at short as rules are pretty loosely enforced in high A spring training games. Swihart was Doubie's catcher and Checini (sp?) played third. Vincio (??) played second and had a double and triple. Checcini did NOT impress me as he booted a fairly routine grounder and he and Swihart did a "you get it" "no YOU get it" with a foul pop that fell between them. We also skipped around to a low A game and a Lowell intra-squad game as three fields were buzzing. It was a fun and relaxed way to spend a few hours. 

    I got to meet Peter Abraham and assured him that he should not be looking over his shoulder as someone on here suggested. Believe it or not he had never heard of me or my reports from the fort. I was mildly disappointed but put my brave face and stiff upper lip on. I was also able to talk to Durbin who pitched the other day and Hanrahan who were both just casually drifting around watching the games. As many of you know I'm here taking care of my wheelchair-bound father-in-law and any time any of these players stop to chat with him it makes his day. So props for those two nice guys especially and there were others who I could not identify except to say that in person they look too young to be driving.

     
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    This is the essence of our difference of opinion about Iglesias. I say SHOW ME and you are willing to give him a chance without proof that Iggy can hit well enough to compensate for his however many runs he may save on defense. I think 250 PAs at the AAA level this year should give us enough evidence of where he is at with the bat. There is no real way to calculate how many plays he will make that Drew will not, nor what OPS he must reach to make his overall presence on the team worthwhile. I respect your opinion on this, but I just disagree. I think he has to PROVE himself before he is given a ticket to Boston

    I'm not projecting a near .700 OPS. I'd be happy with .600.

    Fielding is much easier to project from the minors to majors.

    Everyone knos he is a superb fielder.

    Almost everyone agrees that Drew has limitations.

    Some feel the pin in his ankle may further those limitations.

    Evidence clearly shows the best SSs make 80-130 more plays than the poor ones.

    I do not think it is a leap of faith to expect 60-80 more plays from Iggy over Drew.

    Projecting the offense is harder, but my position maintains that if Iggy can make 60-80 more plays on defense, he doesn't need to have an OPS over .600. 

    Why do you need him to prove his offense, but don't trust the defense that he has shown over several years already?

     



    Simple: because he has never proven his offense. Anywhere. Except A ball. I do not want a player, any player, with an OPS of .600 on my team. I would rather have a good SS defensively (not necessarily a great one) who can also contribute a bit with the bat and is not a virtual automatic out. You do realize that I wish for the best for Iggy; if he can learn to hit the baseball he could become a tremendous asset. Right now, he is AAA caliber, at best, overall.

     

     



    I think we have come full circle. You must not think Iggy can save 60-120 hits over Drew on defense, or you think an extra 40 hits (XBHs) by Drew outweighs allowing twice that to the opps.

     

    Yes, if Iggy learns to hit, he can become a tremendous asset, but just because Drew gets on base at a .310-.325 rate, it does not mean he comes close to being tremendous either. His fielding likely offserts any possible good offense and then some. It's the trade-off differentials we must disagree on. You think Drew's .320 OBP offserts his poor fielding (average at best), and I think Iggy's fielding more than offsets his poor hitting.

     

     



    Drew has a career defensive WAR of 4.2 which is a little above average, as I understand it (correct me if I a wrong). I do not know how many more hits Iggy will take away than Drew, nor how many runs those hits will prevent. If I could accurately calculate exactly how many runs that would amount to, or calculate exactly how many hits Iggy will take away and how much that offsets his atrocious offense I would perhaps allow someone with an OPS of .600 in my lineup. I can't; and you can't either. So I want a guy who can contribute at least somewhat on both sides of the game. It a difference in philosophy.
    Why do you think the FO went out and got Drew if they have Iglesias waiting in the wings? Not that they are always right, but I think they got this one correct. Credit where credit is due.

     



    Fangraph's has him at -22.3 UZR and -4.6 UZR/150, including -10.7 last year (post ankle surgery).

    What sacres me most is not the pin in his ankle.

    It's not his low UZR/150.

    It is this:

    Out of 23 SS with 4,500 or more innings at SS since 2006, Drew places 21st in RangR (the range component of UZR). He's plus on DPR and ErrR, but get's killed on range. Most of those numbers were before the pin. I seriously doubt he improves on them in 2013.

    From 2010-2012 his RangR numbers did improve, but he still placed 20th out the top 30 SS by innings (1000+). 

    To me, he is clearly a minus ranged SS. He might make up for some of that by making all the sure plays and turning a DP well, but I'm sticking to my assessment that Iggy can and would make 60-80 more plays than Drew over 150 games in 2013.

    I can understand if you disagree with this, but I am having difficulty understanding hwo anyone who believes if this defensive differential was true, they'd still want the guy who gets 40 (all XBH) more hits instead.

     
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    Tonight's report from the fort..

    Yes, today's slugfest was a road game, but I took advantage of Peter Abraham's invitation in yesterday's Globe to come down to minor league mania and see scattered major leaguers. Well, we saw two major leaguers, Doubront pitched @six innings, and around 100 pitches. I say around six innings because there was at least one two out inning where Doubie had probably reached his per-inning pitch limit. He looked very solid against the high A team from Baltimore, lots of strike-outs, one walk that I saw and two pick-offs. The other big leaguer was Pedro Ciriaco who struck out and tripled in the two times I saw him hit. He and Marrerro alternated at short as rules are pretty loosely enforced in high A spring training games. Swihart was Doubie's catcher and Checini (sp?) played third. Vincio (??) played second and had a double and triple. Checcini did NOT impress me as he booted a fairly routine grounder and he and Swihart did a "you get it" "no YOU get it" with a foul pop that fell between them. We also skipped around to a low A game and a Lowell intra-squad game as three fields were buzzing. It was a fun and relaxed way to spend a few hours. 

    I got to meet Peter Abraham and assured him that he should not be looking over his shoulder as someone on here suggested. Believe it or not he had never heard of me or my reports from the fort. I was mildly disappointed but put my brave face and stiff upper lip on. I was also able to talk to Durbin who pitched the other day and Hanrahan who were both just casually drifting around watching the games. As many of you know I'm here taking care of my wheelchair-bound father-in-law and any time any of these players stop to chat with him it makes his day. So props for those two nice guys especially and there were others who I could not identify except to say that in person they look too young to be driving.



    Thanks again jid.

     
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    Drew has a career defensive WAR of 4.2 which is a little above average, as I understand it (correct me if I a wrong). I do not know how many more hits Iggy will take away than Drew, nor how many runs those hits will prevent. If I could accurately calculate exactly how many runs that would amount to, or calculate exactly how many hits Iggy will take away and how much that offsets his atrocious offense I would perhaps allow someone with an OPS of .600 in my lineup. I can't; and you can't either. So I want a guy who can contribute at least somewhat on both sides of the game. It a difference in philosophy. 
    Why do you think the FO went out and got Drew if they have Iglesias waiting in the wings? Not that they are always right, but I think they got this one correct. Credit where credit is due.

     

     



    Fangraph's has him at -22.3 UZR and -4.6 UZR/150, including -10.7 last year (post ankle surgery).

     

    What sacres me most is not the pin in his ankle.

    It's not his low UZR/150.

    It is this:

    Out of 23 SS with 4,500 or more innings at SS since 2006, Drew places 21st in RangR (the range component of UZR). He's plus on DPR and ErrR, but get's killed on range. Most of those numbers were before the pin. I seriously doubt he improves on them in 2013.

    From 2010-2012 his RangR numbers did improve, but he still placed 20th out the top 30 SS by innings (1000+). 

    To me, he is clearly a minus ranged SS. He might make up for some of that by making all the sure plays and turning a DP well, but I'm sticking to my assessment that Iggy can and would make 60-80 more plays than Drew over 150 games in 2013.

    I can understand if you disagree with this, but I am having difficulty understanding hwo anyone who believes if this defensive differential was true, they'd still want the guy who gets 40 (all XBH) more hits instead.

     
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    Tonight's report from the fort..

    Yes, today's slugfest was a road game, but I took advantage of Peter Abraham's invitation in yesterday's Globe to come down to minor league mania and see scattered major leaguers. Well, we saw two major leaguers, Doubront pitched @six innings, and around 100 pitches. I say around six innings because there was at least one two out inning where Doubie had probably reached his per-inning pitch limit. He looked very solid against the high A team from Baltimore, lots of strike-outs, one walk that I saw and two pick-offs. The other big leaguer was Pedro Ciriaco who struck out and tripled in the two times I saw him hit. He and Marrerro alternated at short as rules are pretty loosely enforced in high A spring training games. Swihart was Doubie's catcher and Checini (sp?) played third. Vincio (??) played second and had a double and triple. Checcini did NOT impress me as he booted a fairly routine grounder and he and Swihart did a "you get it" "no YOU get it" with a foul pop that fell between them. We also skipped around to a low A game and a Lowell intra-squad game as three fields were buzzing. It was a fun and relaxed way to spend a few hours. 

    I got to meet Peter Abraham and assured him that he should not be looking over his shoulder as someone on here suggested. Believe it or not he had never heard of me or my reports from the fort. I was mildly disappointed but put my brave face and stiff upper lip on. I was also able to talk to Durbin who pitched the other day and Hanrahan who were both just casually drifting around watching the games. As many of you know I'm here taking care of my wheelchair-bound father-in-law and any time any of these players stop to chat with him it makes his day. So props for those two nice guys especially and there were others who I could not identify except to say that in person they look too young to be driving.

     



    Thanks again jid.

     



    Awesome Jid. I miss being down there.  Did you happen to see what Henry Owens did in one of those games yesterday? 15 batters, 13 strikeouts. A 6'6" 20 yr old lefty to get excited about.

     
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    Awesome Jid. I miss being down there.  Did you happen to see what Henry Owens did in one of those games yesterday? 15 batters, 13 strikeouts. A 6'6" 20 yr old lefty to get excited about.

    Awesome!

     
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    Cass, I didn't see Owens pitch, that was on Sunday, but I did get to see him up close. He's a stringbean! If he can add some more muscle (I read that he added 15 ponuds this offseason but they were very well hidden behind his skin and bones!) he can probably add a few more MPH on his fastball. I don't think he shaves yet, so lots of development is yet to come. He is very tall; listed at 6'7", but his skinny frame makes him seem even taller. Durbin (sorry I don't know his first name) was still buzzing about it yesterday.

    Just an aside, I am rooting for this guy Durbin to do well. The Sox signed him as a minor league free agent; he's been in pro ball for 13 years. He couldn't have been nicer to me and my father-in-law. And it wasn't just us as he seemed to be willing to chat with anyone passing by. He's most likely ticketed for Pawtucket's pen, but he's a perfect example of a guy who just doesn't want to let it go and see what the real world is like. He's been in Japan for a few years and in a few major league systems along the way. He's  certainly a long shot to ever help the Sox, but I hope he catches on with someone; nice guys deserve that much.

     
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    Cass, I didn't see Owens pitch, that was on Sunday, but I did get to see him up close. He's a stringbean! If he can add some more muscle (I read that he added 15 ponuds this offseason but they were very well hidden behind his skin and bones!) he can probably add a few more MPH on his fastball. I don't think he shaves yet, so lots of development is yet to come. He is very tall; listed at 6'7", but his skinny frame makes him seem even taller. Durbin (sorry I don't know his first name) was still buzzing about it yesterday.

    Just an aside, I am rooting for this guy Durbin to do well. The Sox signed him as a minor league free agent; he's been in pro ball for 13 years. He couldn't have been nicer to me and my father-in-law. And it wasn't just us as he seemed to be willing to chat with anyone passing by. He's most likely ticketed for Pawtucket's pen, but he's a perfect example of a guy who just doesn't want to let it go and see what the real world is like. He's been in Japan for a few years and in a few major league systems along the way. He's  certainly a long shot to ever help the Sox, but I hope he catches on with someone; nice guys deserve that much.



    Sounds like a classy guy. I hope he makes it somewhere.

     
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    Here's my starting line-ups, assuming JBJ is here and everyone is healthy:

     

           vs RHPs         vs LHP

    1)             L Bradley

    2)             L Ellsbury

    3)             R Pedroia

    4)             L Ortiz (While Papi is out, Gomes/Nava at DH batting 6th-Naps 4/Midd 5th)

    5)             R Napoli

    6)             R Middlebrooks

    7)  L Salty           R Ross 

    8)  L Gomes        R Victorino  (an expensive platoon)

    9)             R Iglesias               (Drew will send Iggy packing against my idea)

     
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    FWIW moon, Gomes HAS been putting good swings on RHP this spring... not saying he will suddenly hit RHP as good as he hits LHP but it could improve.. or it could just be spring training

     
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    In response to mef429's comment:

    FWIW moon, Gomes HAS been putting good swings on RHP this spring... not saying he will suddenly hit RHP as good as he hits LHP but it could improve.. or it could just be spring training



    I don't trust Gomes vs RHPs for any extended time. Nava is more proven, and now we should have JBJ to play OF.

     
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    This Owens news is pretty big. The potential of 4 top starting prospects and possibly others to emerge from last year's crop this year. Not to mention great draft position this year. The future is starting to look really good for the Sox on the farm. 

    Unless we are talking about those 13 of 15 who actually got struck out by Owens last sunday....

    Personally, I'll still take that news in a heartbeat. I don't mind having 90% cannon fodder down there if a Napoleon or 2 emerge each year. 

     
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    Never got the Drew signing, or the Gomes signing for that matter. W/ Victorino signed, there was one open OF spot that, in times like these, should have been left open. Nava, JBJ, if Kalish didn't get hurt you cld added him too, maybe Brentz. inking Drew came out of nowhere for many because AGAIN, we HAVE depth there. Hope all this gets sorted out. W/ Papi out, Gomes might prove to be a happy mistake. 

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    In response to RedsoxProspects' comment:

    This Owens news is pretty big. The potential of 4 top starting prospects and possibly others to emerge from last year's crop this year. Not to mention great draft position this year. The future is starting to look really good for the Sox on the farm. 

    Unless we are talking about those 13 of 15 who actually got struck out by Owens last sunday....

    Personally, I'll still take that news in a heartbeat. I don't mind having 90% cannon fodder down there if a Napoleon or 2 emerge each year. 




    Things are looking good on the farm and w/ the #7 overall pick this year it will only help. Tough time understanding all this Drew bashing? is it because he has a concussion and guys want to kick him while he's down. Look Iggy was given every possible chance to win starting SS job last yr and failed miserably [.118 in 25 games] Boegarts/Marrero are not ready, did anyone expect Ben to open the season like that. Funny the minute Iggy's avg got up to .270 everyone gets back on the bandwagon. Look Drew on his best days if healthy can put up Jeter type numbers offensively, he got 9.5 mil not because he's never done a thing in MLB, other teams were making him offers including the A's who had him for there stretch drive to the playoffs. As for defense metrics, watched the defensive metric guru JJ Hardy vs RS the other day. Lyle Overbay [LH] at plate, man on 1st ground ball [not hard hit] by Overbay to SS side of bag and Hardy has tough time getting to ball and can't get to ball to turn Dbl play. LH up man on 1st and he can't get to a softly hit groundball, this is the problem I have w/ defensive metrics - its all judgement based. This is the SS that metrics love? If ever you should get to a ground ball on left side of 2nd base its w/ a runner on 1st and a LH batter up!

    Look not here to bash Iggy, want to see him succeed as much as anyone, be crazy not to love that glove. But not willing to say hitting 270 in ST is some great accomplishment. He must prove he can do it on a consistent basis. Drew will be the starter when healthy and/or until Iggy proves he can hit at least be a decent bat at MLB level.

     
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