A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    moon any plays tonight drew would not have made?? i didn't see any.

     



    There was one sure fire play Iggy made that Drew only dreams of making, but Naps did not snag the grounder throw by Iggy, and they wrongly ruled it a hit.

     

     



    the DP ball?

     

     



    NO, Iggy dove, got up, and threw an easy grounder to Naps, who muffed it. It was a slow runner who would have been out.

     



    what inning? i must have missed it. the closes tthing i can remember is that Iggy dove for the ball, flipped it to PD who threw it to Naps and he missed the dig.

     
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    Crawford went 3-4 tonight for the Dodgers.  The guy really seems to thrive in a non-pressure situation.

    I know he didn't do well for us, but I think his intentions were honerable.  I wish him the best.

     
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    moon any plays tonight drew would not have made?? i didn't see any.

     



    There was one sure fire play Iggy made that Drew only dreams of making, but Naps did not snag the grounder throw by Iggy, and they wrongly ruled it a hit.

     

     



    the DP ball?

     

     



    NO, Iggy dove, got up, and threw an easy grounder to Naps, who muffed it. It was a slow runner who would have been out.

     



    It was so cold out there several guys were just mailing it in defensively. The ground was hard. A little more concentration and Iggy could easily have made that throw but no doubt the conditions were awful. Nunez was doing the same thing.

     
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    Crit, I think you are correct in that their intentions are to just have a solid pen but this situation does position us with several proven closers. My gut tells me that by year end one of them may be of such value that a deal is available. Then again, if we are on our way to the playoffs a trade probably doesn't occur. We do have some depth still in the minors though. De La Rosa, Bard, Workman, Wilson. By year end possibly Barnes and Webster if necessary.

    I think Bailey looks like our stud right now. He and Hanrahan are proven closers. Then Tazawa and Uehara are extremely solid. If the deal is right and Bard or De Larosa step up, I think we should at least consider trading one of the closers if the deal is outstanding. In a time of extreme need, a team like Detroit, which is positioned to win this year, will part with some outstanding talent for a proven closer. I'm talking mid year. I do agree though that if we ar in the hunt, as I suspect we will be, that we will probably not do it.

    I like how Tampa operates. Sometimes it is good to move a veteran of value for some promising young studs. We are not Tampa Bay in terms of money but I think a hybrid of that is our future. Almost every team's future if done ideally.

    Look at New York. They can't go out and buy players like they used to. To a degree, those days are over. Of course they will still get the pick of the litter for what talent is out there but CC Sabathia types are not coming down the FA turnpike any time soon. The top position players are harder to sign now also. Teams are locking up their best players. 

     
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    To me, top prospects are of more value now. Especially top pitching prospects. Starting pitching prospects. But also guys like Harper and Trout. Middle of the order bats under control in their prime for 6 years.

    Bradley is like a dagger in the heart to Yankee fans. Imagine what it would be if we had Harper or Trout. Game changer baby. It would be a huge problem for the Yanks. Bradley, Iglesias, Bogaerts, Middlebrooks etc...are tough to compete against. I don't see that happening for the Yanks. Right now.

    The emergence of great young talent is what now creates the top teams. It's the biggest factor at least. To me. 

     
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    Personally, even when Granderson et al come back, the Yanks will have a tough time competing this year IMO. They can't expect Jeter to keep hitting .300 or be good defensively. Arod is now an albatross they don't even want in the dugout. I'm not projecting their pen to be that good. They can't expect that all their starters will be relatively healthy, again. Kuroda and Petitte are still aging. Sabathia's velocity is down. And they may well be 10 games out at the break, or more. This is an ugly team right now.

    Quote me. I'm not worried about the Yanks this year. We have more reason to be worried about the other teams in the division. The Yanks are going to get pounded on early in the year. Particularly against AL East opponents in the next few weeks. And there is nothing they can do about it.

    I say put the dagger into the heart as soon as possible.

     
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    When Jeter does come back he might be DH'ing.

     
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    Back to Salty...if his defence & CERA is much improved this year, moon gets some big points for repeatedly pointing out that Varitek took a few years to be good in those areas.   

     
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    I'm still not at all sold on anything Salty does besides hit HR. He is a likeable guy though and easy to root for.

    You know what I noticed most in yesterday's game. Bradley swinging a big cut though the pitch, intentionally trying to miss in order to impede the catchers throw on Victorino's steal.

    The kid is the biggest team player we have seen in years. Willing to ground out to 2nd to move the runner. Willing to run out every play to the best of his ability. Doing everything he can to win.

    The black Dustin Pedroia.

     
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    moon any plays tonight drew would not have made?? i didn't see any.

     



    There was one sure fire play Iggy made that Drew only dreams of making, but Naps did not snag the grounder throw by Iggy, and they wrongly ruled it a hit.

     

     



    the DP ball?

     

     



    NO, Iggy dove, got up, and threw an easy grounder to Naps, who muffed it. It was a slow runner who would have been out.

     

     



    It was so cold out there several guys were just mailing it in defensively. The ground was hard. A little more concentration and Iggy could easily have made that throw but no doubt the conditions were awful. Nunez was doing the same thing.

     



    The throw could have been better, but should have been caught for the out.

     
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    Personally, even when Granderson et al come back, the Yanks will have a tough time competing this year IMO. They can't expect Jeter to keep hitting .300 or be good defensively. Arod is now an albatross they don't even want in the dugout. I'm not projecting their pen to be that good. They can't expect that all their starters will be relatively healthy, again. Kuroda and Petitte are still aging. Sabathia's velocity is down. And they may well be 10 games out at the break, or more. This is an ugly team right now.

    Quote me. I'm not worried about the Yanks this year. We have more reason to be worried about the other teams in the division. The Yanks are going to get pounded on early in the year. Particularly against AL East opponents in the next few weeks. And there is nothing they can do about it.

    I say put the dagger into the heart as soon as possible.



    I've been expecting age to catch up to the Yanks for 2-3 years. I'm not sure they can be counted out just yet. I see them being in the playoff hunt right to the last week, at worst.

     
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    Back to Salty...if his defence & CERA is much improved this year, moon gets some big points for repeatedly pointing out that Varitek took a few years to be good in those areas.   



    From April 25, 2012 until he was basically removed from the FT job to give Lava a long look, Salty had really improved his CERA, PB, WP and almost every area of catching defense, except CS%, which happens to be the one stat many fans cling to in order to judge a catcher's defense. I'm not sure if Salty will continue to improve, of if he improved enough already. It's hard to know how much of the poor 2012 numbers were related to the catcher CERA related issues, or if our staff just plain stunk up the place for most of the year.

    I think Salty has clearly improved his blocking poor pitches skills, he seems more confident about varying pitch types and locations, and he seems like he has a better relationship with the pitchers on the mound.

    I'm hoping he continues to take more pitches on offense. He chased a few bad pitches last night, but he looked pretty good the other PAs this year- small sample size not withstanding.

     
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    I'm still not at all sold on anything Salty does besides hit HR. He is a likeable guy though and easy to root for.

    Watch closely. He may not be great, but he has improved.

     
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    What do you guys think will happen when Drew is ready to play?  Will they send Iggy down?  I hope not.  Iggy is on fire.

     

     
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    moon any plays tonight drew would not have made?? i didn't see any.

     



    There was one sure fire play Iggy made that Drew only dreams of making, but Naps did not snag the grounder throw by Iggy, and they wrongly ruled it a hit.

     

     



    the DP ball?

     

     



    NO, Iggy dove, got up, and threw an easy grounder to Naps, who muffed it. It was a slow runner who would have been out.

     

     



    It was so cold out there several guys were just mailing it in defensively. The ground was hard. A little more concentration and Iggy could easily have made that throw but no doubt the conditions were awful. Nunez was doing the same thing.

     

     



    The throw could have been better, but should have been caught for the out.

     



    Thought Iggy had more time to get his arm back on that play to make a better throw, but I agree ultimately thats on Naps. 

     
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    I heard in MLB last night that Aoki of the Brewers does 3,000 sit ups a day.  WTF?!?  

     
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    What do you guys think will happen when Drew is ready to play?  Will they send Iggy down?  I hope not.  Iggy is on fire.

     



    Unfortunately I think they send Iggy back down. But if Sox are thinking of somehow playing or dealing drew they better make sure he's ready to play. There's no need to rush him & he's missed a lot of time. 

    So, If we assume that the Sox are looking to deal Drew, we also have to assume they are willing to eat some of his salary. My question is how much? Would a team take him for 7m ? Eating 2.5 ? Best case scenario ? ... Not how you think he's worth, but how much he's worth to another team in need of a capable SS. 

     
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    What do you guys think will happen when Drew is ready to play?  Will they send Iggy down?  I hope not.  Iggy is on fire.

     

     



    Unfortunately I think they send Iggy back down. But if Sox are thinking of somehow playing or dealing drew they better make sure he's ready to play. There's no need to rush him & he's missed a lot of time. 

     

    So, If we assume that the Sox are looking to deal Drew, we also have to assume they are willing to eat some of his salary. My question is how much? Would a team take him for 7m ? Eating 2.5 ? Best case scenario ? ... Not how you think he's worth, but how much he's worth to another team in need of a capable SS. 



    Hello emp9   :)

    This is a happy concern for the Red Sox.  I know its only been two games, but Iggy looks great.  If Iggy keeps it up then the Red Sox will have to make a decision in regards to Drew.  

    Maybe the Dodgers can take Drew?    LOL

     

     

     
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    What do you guys think will happen when Drew is ready to play?  Will they send Iggy down?  I hope not.  Iggy is on fire.

     

     



    Unfortunately I think they send Iggy back down. But if Sox are thinking of somehow playing or dealing drew they better make sure he's ready to play. There's no need to rush him & he's missed a lot of time. 

     

    So, If we assume that the Sox are looking to deal Drew, we also have to assume they are willing to eat some of his salary. My question is how much? Would a team take him for 7m ? Eating 2.5 ? Best case scenario ? ... Not how you think he's worth, but how much he's worth to another team in need of a capable SS. 

     

     



    Hello emp9   :)

    This is a happy concern for the Red Sox.  I know its only been two games, but Iggy looks great.  If Iggy keeps it up then the Red Sox will have to make a decision in regards to Drew.  

    Maybe the Dodgers can take Drew?    LOL

     

     



    Hey Ice Cream! Haha... I don't think we'll be hearing from the Dodgers in a real long time. ;)

    Yeah, it's a great problem just hope it ends up right. 

    Do you think we sweep tonight? 

     
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    moon, i know what play you are talking about now and disagree that drew would not have made it.

     
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    Hey emp9   :)

    Yes, I believe the Red Sox will sweep the Yankees tonight.  

     
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    Tigers closer blew the game today.... moon 
    how about Bailey/Elles for Porcello and another good player?  Then put Bradley in center and see how it all unfolds.



    Tigers sign Valverde to minor league contract. 

     
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    moon any plays tonight drew would not have made?? i didn't see any.

     



    There was one sure fire play Iggy made that Drew only dreams of making, but Naps did not snag the grounder throw by Iggy, and they wrongly ruled it a hit.

     

     



    the DP ball?

     

     



    NO, Iggy dove, got up, and threw an easy grounder to Naps, who muffed it. It was a slow runner who would have been out.

     

     



    It was so cold out there several guys were just mailing it in defensively. The ground was hard. A little more concentration and Iggy could easily have made that throw but no doubt the conditions were awful. Nunez was doing the same thing.

     

     



    The throw could have been better, but should have been caught for the out.

     

     



    Thought Iggy had more time to get his arm back on that play to make a better throw, but I agree ultimately thats on Naps. 

     



    Agreed. It wasn't all Naps fault, but the throw looked like a routine grounder a little to naps left. It should have easily been snagged for an out.

    Sidenote: the scorer ruled it a hit: further evidence that all stats are influenced by human subjectiveness to some extent, and home field scorers tend to be generous to their own team.

     
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    What do you guys think will happen when Drew is ready to play?  Will they send Iggy down?  I hope not.  Iggy is on fire.

     

     



    Unfortunately I think they send Iggy back down. But if Sox are thinking of somehow playing or dealing drew they better make sure he's ready to play. There's no need to rush him & he's missed a lot of time. 

     

    So, If we assume that the Sox are looking to deal Drew, we also have to assume they are willing to eat some of his salary. My question is how much? Would a team take him for 7m ? Eating 2.5 ? Best case scenario ? ... Not how you think he's worth, but how much he's worth to another team in need of a capable SS. 



    I think most of the league knows what they will be getting, if they trade for Drew. You are right, though, that he may have to play a bit to prove he's over the concussion, but it shouldn't be long.

    I think it's sad that here we are after 2 games, and already wanting to trade Drew. I think the more Iggy plays, the more some posters will be awakened to the huge plus a great ranged SS can be to a team's chances of winning. Personally, I don't think he needs to hit well to keep the FT role, but sadly he must. Even if he's hitting .300+, it might not be enough.

     

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