A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Updated numbers:

    OBP:

    Papi    .538 (Just 12 PAs)

    Iggy    .476 (20 PA)

    Nava   .429

    Carp    .417 (just 12 PAs)

    Pedey .404

    Vict     .378

    Gomes .368 

    Ells     .333

    Naps  .321

    Chiri  .316 (14 PA)

    Salty  .293

    JBJ     .263

    Drew  .237

    Midd  .211

    Ross  .182 (14 PA)

     

    SLG

    Carp  .833

    Papi  .667 (called "punch & judy" by some clown)

    Nava .600

    Naps  .570

    Iggy  .550

    Salty .462

    Ells   .459

    Midd .417

    Vict   .323

    Pedey .319

    Ross   .286

    Gomes .241

    Chiri   .214

    Drew  .152

    JBJ     .129

     
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    ERA in order of most IP:

    Buch  0.90

    Lest   1.73

    Dem  3.38

    Doub 4.32

    Acev 6.28

    Bail   1.74

    Taza 0.93

    Mort 4.82

    Ueh  1.17

    Web 3.00

    Han 11.57

    Lack 4.15

    Mill  6.75

    Wils 0.00

     

    WHIP

    Taza  0.62

    Ueh   0.65

    Bail   0.87

    Lest  0.89

    Web  1.00

    Buch 1.00

    Mort  1.07

    Dem  1.13

    Doub 1.50

    Acev 1.81

     

    Aamazing that all our pitchers, except 2, have a WHIP of under 1.126 !

     

     
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    I'm not totally sold on anyone below Lester & Buch.



    No, I can't say I am either. But I can't recall a horrible start from anyone yet. Every game has been win-able. Opening week 3-5 went 5 innings, now they're going 7 or close to 7. That's encouraging. The Strike Outs seem to be up too, no? I'll have to check on that. 

     
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    I'm not totally sold on anyone below Lester & Buch.

     



    No, I can't say I am either. But I can't recall a horrible start from anyone yet. Every game has been win-able. Opening week 3-5 went 5 innings, now they're going 7 or close to 7. That's encouraging. The Strike Outs seem to be up too, no? I'll have to check on that. 

     



    It certainly has been a great start from our starters.

     
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    MLB Team Pitching Leaders:

    SO :  Bos #1 (189)

    BAA: Bos tied #1 (.215) 

    ERA: Bos #3 (3.00)

    BB :  Bos #8 (66)

     

    AL TEAM PITCHING leaders:

     

    H    : Bos #14 (134)

    OBP: Bos tied #1 (.293)

    SLG: Bos #3 (.367)

    OPS: Bos #2 (.660)

    SV%: Bos #11 (64.00)

     

     
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    MLB Team Pitching Leaders:

    SO :  Bos #1 (189)

    BAA: Bos tied #1 (.215) 

    ERA: Bos #3 (3.00)

    BB :  Bos #8 (66)

     

    AL TEAM PITCHING leaders:

     

    H    : Bos #14 (134)

    OBP: Bos tied #1 (.293)

    SLG: Bos #3 (.367)

    OPS: Bos #2 (.660)

    SV%: Bos #11 (64.00)

     



    #1 in AL xFIP at 3.32

     
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    MLB Team Pitching Leaders:

    SO :  Bos #1 (189)

    BAA: Bos tied #1 (.215) 

    ERA: Bos #3 (3.00)

    BB :  Bos #8 (66)

     

    AL TEAM PITCHING leaders:

     

    H    : Bos #14 (134)

    OBP: Bos tied #1 (.293)

    SLG: Bos #3 (.367)

    OPS: Bos #2 (.660)

    SV%: Bos #11 (64.00)

     



    Actually, #1 in MLB at xFIP.

     
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    MLB Team Pitching Leaders:

    SO :  Bos #1 (189)

    BAA: Bos tied #1 (.215) 

    ERA: Bos #3 (3.00)

    BB :  Bos #8 (66)

     

    AL TEAM PITCHING leaders:

     

    H    : Bos #14 (134)

    OBP: Bos tied #1 (.293)

    SLG: Bos #3 (.367)

    OPS: Bos #2 (.660)

    SV%: Bos #11 (64.00)

     

     



    Actually, #1 in MLB at xFIP.

     



    Ok Moon. Let me make an honorable attempt at grasping that stat. 

      My mind goes back to DIP% (defense excluded)   Then FIP (Average Defense Included)   Then xFIP (FIP including average HRs hit via a pitchers Flyball rate)   So if the xFIP is good to excellent, Does that mean those HRs given up already had a good chance of happening regardless?    LOL
     
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    MLB Team Pitching Leaders:

    SO :  Bos #1 (189)

    BAA: Bos tied #1 (.215) 

    ERA: Bos #3 (3.00)

    BB :  Bos #8 (66)

     

    AL TEAM PITCHING leaders:

     

    H    : Bos #14 (134)

    OBP: Bos tied #1 (.293)

    SLG: Bos #3 (.367)

    OPS: Bos #2 (.660)

    SV%: Bos #11 (64.00)

     

     



    Actually, #1 in MLB at xFIP.

     

     



    Ok Moon. Let me make an honorable attempt at grasping that stat. 

     

      My mind goes back to DIP% (defense excluded)   Then FIP (Average Defense Included)   Then xFIP (FIP including average HRs hit via a pitchers Flyball rate)   So if the xFIP is good to excellent, Does that mean those HRs given up already had a good chance of happening regardless?    LOL




    xFIP

    Expected Fielding Independent Pitching (xFIP) is a regressed version of FIP, developed by Dave Studeman from The Hardball Times. It’s calculated in the same way as FIP, except it replaces a pitcher’s home run total with an estimate of how many home runs they should have allowed. This estimate is calculated by taking the league-average home run to fly ball rate (~9-10% depending on the year) and multiplying it by a pitcher’s fly ball rate.

    Home run rates are generally unstable over time and fluctuate around league-average, so by estimating a pitcher’s home run total, xFIP attempts to isolate a player’s ability level. A pitcher may allow home runs on 12% of their flyballs one year, then turn around and only allow 7% the next year. HR/FB ratios can be very difficult to predict, so xFIP attempts to correct for that.

    Here is the full formula for xFIP. Notice how it is almost exactly the same as the formula for FIP, with the lone difference being how each accounts for home runs:

    xFIP = ((13*(Flyballs * League-average HR/FB rate))+(3*(BB+HBP))-(2*K))/IP + constant

    The constant is solely to bring FIP onto an ERA scale and is generally around 3.20. You can find historical FIP constant values here, or you can derive the constant by taking league-average FIP and subtracting that from league-average ERA. League-average home run per fly ball rate varies on a yearly basis, but you can find those values here on the FanGraphs leaderboards.

    Along with FIP, xFIP is one of the best metrics at predicting a pitcher’s future performance. Since it was created, though, there have been some studies that suggest certain pitchers can post lower-than-average HR/FB rates over time. For more information on this, see the statistic SIERA.

    Context:

    Please note that the following chart is meant as an estimate, and that league-average xFIP varies on a year-by-year basis so that it is always the same as league-average ERA. To see the league-average xFIP for every year from 1901 to the present, check the FanGraphs leaderboards.

    RatingxFIP Excellent 2.90 Great 3.25 Above Average 3.75 Average 4.00 Below Average 4.20 Poor 4.50 Awful 5.00

    Things to Remember:

    ● While HR/FB ratios are generally unstable over time, some pitchers are still more prone to allowing home runs than others. If a pitcher has a long history of over- or under-performing the league average with their HR/FB rate, then you can reasonably expect them to perform closer to their career average than the league-average. In cases like this, xFIP may overestimate or underestimate a player’s true talent level by assuming a league average HR/FB ratio. Again, for more, see SIERA.

    ● Ground ball pitchers typically have higher HR/FB ratios than fly ball pitchers.

    ● xFIP has one of the highest correlations with future ERA of all the pitching metrics. Only SIERA out-paces it.

     
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    Love all the stats, but think the simplest stat, team ERA, 2d best in the AL, tells the key story.  I am guessing the Sox's starting rotation has the best ERA in the AL.  That tells me they don't need to make any major moves.  When Lackey is ready, he goes back into the rotation with Lester, Buchholz, Dempster and Doubront, none of whom--nor has Aceves or Webster--has had a really bad start.  The bullpen has looked very good at times, but has also blown some saves, more than they should have.  Lackey, FWIW, looked a ton better in that one start than I can remember going back to his first season in Boston. 

    Doubront drives me nuts, but so did Buchholz in prior years, and last night Doubront went 6 2/3 despite big problems getting his breaking stuff, especially his changeup, in the strike zone.  I think he is a keeper.  Aceves, on the other hand, scares me to death because I think he might be psychotic.  I think Miller should be the key lefty, but once again he is struggling with control--hopefully, it's the cold weather. 

     I keep thinking we need to wait for the warm weather to see if the current success holds up.

     
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    Love all the stats, but think the simplest stat, team ERA, 2d best in the AL, tells the key story.  I am guessing the Sox's starting rotation has the best ERA in the AL.  That tells me they don't need to make any major moves.  When Lackey is ready, he goes back into the rotation with Lester, Buchholz, Dempster and Doubront, none of whom--nor has Aceves or Webster--has had a really bad start.  The bullpen has looked very good at times, but has also blown some saves, more than they should have.  Lackey, FWIW, looked a ton better in that one start than I can remember going back to his first season in Boston. 

    Doubront drives me nuts, but so did Buchholz in prior years, and last night Doubront went 6 2/3 despite big problems getting his breaking stuff, especially his changeup, in the strike zone.  I think he is a keeper.  Aceves, on the other hand, scares me to death because I think he might be psychotic.  I think Miller should be the key lefty, but once again he is struggling with control--hopefully, it's the cold weather. 

     I keep thinking we need to wait for the warm weather to see if the current success holds up.



    AL  Team ERA

    1) texas  2.86

    2) Boston 3.00

     
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    Love all the stats, but think the simplest stat, team ERA, 2d best in the AL, tells the key story.  I am guessing the Sox's starting rotation has the best ERA in the AL.  That tells me they don't need to make any major moves.  When Lackey is ready, he goes back into the rotation with Lester, Buchholz, Dempster and Doubront, none of whom--nor has Aceves or Webster--has had a really bad start.  The bullpen has looked very good at times, but has also blown some saves, more than they should have.  Lackey, FWIW, looked a ton better in that one start than I can remember going back to his first season in Boston. 

    Doubront drives me nuts, but so did Buchholz in prior years, and last night Doubront went 6 2/3 despite big problems getting his breaking stuff, especially his changeup, in the strike zone.  I think he is a keeper.  Aceves, on the other hand, scares me to death because I think he might be psychotic.  I think Miller should be the key lefty, but once again he is struggling with control--hopefully, it's the cold weather. 

     I keep thinking we need to wait for the warm weather to see if the current success holds up.



    Doub drives us all crazy, he doesn't seem to have much stamina or concentration past the fifth inning and starts the game shakey at times.  He has good stuff, I'm not sure what will become of him as a starter.  Hopefully he just needs to mature a but more and he certainly has some support.

     
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    Love all the stats, but think the simplest stat, team ERA, 2d best in the AL, tells the key story.  I am guessing the Sox's starting rotation has the best ERA in the AL.  That tells me they don't need to make any major moves.  When Lackey is ready, he goes back into the rotation with Lester, Buchholz, Dempster and Doubront, none of whom--nor has Aceves or Webster--has had a really bad start.  The bullpen has looked very good at times, but has also blown some saves, more than they should have.  Lackey, FWIW, looked a ton better in that one start than I can remember going back to his first season in Boston. 

    Doubront drives me nuts, but so did Buchholz in prior years, and last night Doubront went 6 2/3 despite big problems getting his breaking stuff, especially his changeup, in the strike zone.  I think he is a keeper.  Aceves, on the other hand, scares me to death because I think he might be psychotic.  I think Miller should be the key lefty, but once again he is struggling with control--hopefully, it's the cold weather. 

     I keep thinking we need to wait for the warm weather to see if the current success holds up.

     



    Doub drives us all crazy, he doesn't seem to have much stamina or concentration past the fifth inning and starts the game shakey at times.  He has good stuff, I'm not sure what will become of him as a starter.  Hopefully he just needs to mature a but more and he certainly has some support.

     



    His mindset has not impressed me, but everything else seems near top shelf.

     
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    He's lefthanded. That should be a simple enough explanation, right Amp? When you use the wrong arm to throw there's no telling how many other things you'll do wrong;)

    Seriously, he has great swing-and-miss stuff that is quite rare and needs to be treated with lots of patience. Patience with his ability and his learning curve, not with his lack of conditioning. He's young and talented and could be a solid member of this rotation for years to come or he could flame out. He ultimately makes that decision, but the coaching staff and teammates are an important part of the equation that could point him in the most advantageous direction. In that regard he's in the right place.

     
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    Here's what I wrote about Felix after Spring Training...

    Doubront... has swing and miss stuff but a bigger belly than me. And he nibbles, nibbles! He is an inigma since he has great stuff and has yet to make serious MLB money, yet he is potentially costing himself millions with poor conditioning and lapses of concentration on the mound. The inigma could win 12-15 games or he could be out of the rotation by mid-year.


    He's 2-0 but his games are difficult to watch sometimes. Last night the offense gave him a huge lift, but he still walked the tightrope until he settled down after five innings. It may just be maturity; he may not fully trust his stuff, but he's too talented to give up on. He's been the weakest link of the original starting five, but a 4.32 ERA can't be too far off league average. And if your weakest starter is league average you're pitching very well.


     
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    Here's what I wrote about Felix after Spring Training...

    Doubront... has swing and miss stuff but a bigger belly than me. And he nibbles, nibbles! He is an inigma since he has great stuff and has yet to make serious MLB money, yet he is potentially costing himself millions with poor conditioning and lapses of concentration on the mound. The inigma could win 12-15 games or he could be out of the rotation by mid-year.


    He's 2-0 but his games are difficult to watch sometimes. Last night the offense gave him a huge lift, but he still walked the tightrope until he settled down after five innings. It may just be maturity; he may not fully trust his stuff, but he's too talented to give up on. He's been the weakest link of the original starting five, but a 4.32 ERA can't be too far off league average. And if your weakest starter is league average you're pitching very well.

     



    I think he is a bit lucky to have an ERA that low with a WHIP of 1.500.

    I'm hoping he stops the "nibbling" and starts reducing his BBs.

     
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    He's lefthanded. That should be a simple enough explanation, right Amp? When you use the wrong arm to throw there's no telling how many other things you'll do wrong;)

    Seriously, he has great swing-and-miss stuff that is quite rare and needs to be treated with lots of patience. Patience with his ability and his learning curve, not with his lack of conditioning. He's young and talented and could be a solid member of this rotation for years to come or he could flame out. He ultimately makes that decision, but the coaching staff and teammates are an important part of the equation that could point him in the most advantageous direction. In that regard he's in the right place.




    Well, I know I've had my share of crazy moments..more than one:)  For some reason, us lefties just approach things differently..

    But, shhhh, don't tell my wife.  I still have her fooled.

    Doubront's conditioning approach bothers me somewhat.  Of course, conditioning was never high on the list for Lolich or Valenzuela, but Doubront isn't in that category.

    Wasn't it Koufax who struggled with his control etc. earlier in his career?  I know, he's no Koufax either.

    I guess the big question is how long do you wait for someone to approach their potential before cutting ties? With Doubront and Aceves, we have two big question marks.  Like I mentioned before, Webster could make that decision a little easier. 

     

     
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    Here's what I wrote about Felix after Spring Training...

    Doubront... has swing and miss stuff but a bigger belly than me. And he nibbles, nibbles! He is an inigma since he has great stuff and has yet to make serious MLB money, yet he is potentially costing himself millions with poor conditioning and lapses of concentration on the mound. The inigma could win 12-15 games or he could be out of the rotation by mid-year.


    He's 2-0 but his games are difficult to watch sometimes. Last night the offense gave him a huge lift, but he still walked the tightrope until he settled down after five innings. It may just be maturity; he may not fully trust his stuff, but he's too talented to give up on. He's been the weakest link of the original starting five, but a 4.32 ERA can't be too far off league average. And if your weakest starter is league average you're pitching very well.

     

     



    I think he is a bit lucky to have an ERA that low with a WHIP of 1.500.

     

    I'm hoping he stops the "nibbling" and starts reducing his BBs.




    I hear what you're saying Moon, but in Dubront's defense, at least in his last game, there were a number of calls which really could have gone his way.  Another rediculous case for those wonderful men in blue making a pitcher 'pay his dues' before calling close pitches.

     
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    I don't really get it. Doubront is cheap and young and improving and strikes out around a batter an inning. He seems to have solid potential. Don't we want that? He is a decent #4 or 5. Ye of little faith!

    Now Aceves has shown a large sample size of not being a good closer or a good starter. He costs more and is older. Which one do we move? Isn't that a no brainer?

    I'm all about building value. Even if Doubront doesn't work out at least make him worth something in a trade and I  really think he can become a decent starter. These guys don't grow on trees and if they thought Tazawa was the guy he would be starting right now but he isn't. And just maybe they are right to leave him where he is. He did just have TJ surgery a little while ago. They are conservatively building value with him also.

    Regarding Webster, it's not like they can throw him out there for 200 innings anyway. Both he and RDLR can help this team, this year, but not for much more than 100 innings at best realistically. And Webster still could benefit for more work in AAA. So far, I think they have managed him very well. We have Morales coming back and Lackey. RDLR and Webster are 2nd half of the year guys as needed. Hopefully.

    And if any of the above works we build a lot of value in all of these guys. We keep the best, trade the rest.

     
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    Softy is still scared of my avatar. Can't say I don't blame him. I'll go to a Daniel Nava avatar and smoke that little possum out!

    JBJ has had a solid couple of games, as well as Bogaerts and Cecchini. Owens had a solid start as well. As well as the major league team is doing, the future really looks solid also.

     

    Big numbers!

     
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    These guys don't grow on trees and if they thought Tazawa was the guy he would be starting right now but he isn't. And just maybe they are right to leave him where he is. He did just have TJ surgery a little while ago.

    They may not know just what they have.

    Many starters have come back from TJSurgery.

    My projection: as the season progresses, we'll be looking for another SP, and it will be too late to "stretch out" Taz.

     
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    Moon, I hear what you are saying about Tazawa and I actually think he has a better shot now as a starter than he did earlier. He came back well from TJ surgury. He controls the game well and has several pitches he can get over the plate. He knows how to pitch and has composure. If needed we could slot him as a starter but at this point I would just keep him as a solid reliever and count on him all year in that slot.

    For starter depth we do have:

    Buchholz

    Lester

    Dempster

    Lackey

    Doubront

    Btw, I think all these guys will have decent years. Some even great years.

    Then:

    Morales

    Webster

    RDLR

    Aceves

    Hernandez

    Ranaudo

    Workman

    That is decent depth. A lot more than most teams have. Morales, Webster, RDLR, Aceves is a lot of starter depth in itself. And the pen is real solid. All of the above guys will have some mlb level experience.

    Teams inevitably need an extra starter or 2 every year but I have no problem with the depth we have. Morales, Webster and RDLR all may well end up as good as some of our current starters. And I'm actually confident in what Lackey is going to give us. He appears healthy and when he was healthy he had a proven track record. 

     
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    Moon, I hear what you are saying about Tazawa and I actually think he has a better shot now as a starter than he did earlier. He came back well from TJ surgury. He controls the game well and has several pitches he can get over the plate. He knows how to pitch and has composure. If needed we could slot him as a starter but at this point I would just keep him as a solid reliever and count on him all year in that slot.

    For starter depth we do have:

    Buchholz

    Lester

    Dempster

    Lackey

    Doubront

    Btw, I think all these guys will have decent years. Some even great years.

    Then:

    Morales

    Webster

    RDLR

    Aceves

    Hernandez

    Ranaudo

    Workman

    That is decent depth. A lot more than most teams have. Morales, Webster, RDLR, Aceves is a lot of starter depth in itself. And the pen is real solid. All of the above guys will have some mlb level experience.

    Teams inevitably need an extra starter or 2 every year but I have no problem with the depth we have. Morales, Webster and RDLR all may well end up as good as some of our current starters. And I'm actually confident in what Lackey is going to give us. He appears healthy and when he was healthy he had a proven track record. 




    Boom, RDLR has pitched a total of 9 innings in Paw. and has 8 BB's.  I love his velocity etc., but we need a guy who throws strikes.  It's a big reason why I like Webster.  RDLR is like a right handed Miller with more speed.

     
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    Amp, as you know guys coming back from TJ surgury often struggle with their control. He is probably of no use to use for another month or 2 but his stuff is off the charts. And I do see some recent progress in his rehab. He is maybe even better than Webster. Great fastball and a great change. That right there is all he needs to be a lights out reliever for us by years end. 

    I have very high hopes for RDLR. Both he and Webster. Before last winter RDLR was actually considered a better prospect than Webster by many analysts. I recognize that virtually everyone is all over Webster right now and they have every reason to be on that because he looks like a great prospect. I bet the Dodgers would like to have him right now. He is ahead of schedule to me and you could make a strong case that he is our most valuable prospect right now, over Bogaerts even.

    The bottom line is that guys like Webster, RDLR, Barnes, Ranaudo are worth a small fortune. You have to trade a ton of value to get guys like those. We are probably looking at $100 mil in value in that group IMO. That's a good estimate. I think one of those guys probably hits for a $70 mil guy and another for $30 mil.  Look at all the trades made to get a top young starter like Mat Latos and such. Teams are giving up #1 picks right and left to obtain that sort of prospect.

    Buchholz and Lester were both worth at least $70 mil at that point in their careers. Look how key they are to winning now. Do we have any chance in the playoffs without them? I don't think so.

    I absolutely love our pitching prospects. Cherington's Dodger deal is generating some success for the Dodgers but clearing that cash AND getting some solid prospcts is huge for this team's present and future.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    Guess I spoke too soon on no horrible starts. Oops. If that happens every 20th game that's 8 losses we can tack on this season. Given, last night's pitchers were penciled in. Lets hope it was an isolated incident. An Anomaly. 

     
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