Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II
posted at 4/30/2013 1:47 PM EDT
In response to makonikyman's comment:
You must not be looking. I made many trade suggestions this past winter. One was Doubront, Salty and Iggy (since I did not think Ben would ever start him) to oakland for B Anderson. (B.A. is doing very badly now.)
In response to jasko2248's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
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In response to pumpsie-green's comment:
Lackey is our #3 SP; Dempster is our #4. Doubront is our #5 but is expendable. Wonder how Doubront compares to other #5 SP in the AL.
Well, ERA+ is a nice simple measure. Doubront's is exactly 100 right now. I doubt there are many #5 starters with an ERA+ of 100 or better.
There are 124 MLB SPs with over 20 IP this year.
Doubront is slotted at #98 in WHIP.
He's #119 in BB% (12.6%).
He's #77 in ERA... not bad for a 5th starter, but if keeps walking guys at a 13% rate, it will be going up, up, and away.
Too funny, Moon. We can all manipulate stats. Doubront walked 3 guys in the first, 1 in the second and then pitched into the 7th without walking another guy. I'd say he settled down. In his first start, he didn't walk anybody, in another start, 3 of his walks were in one inning again. They are going to change his pre-game routine to see if it helps, but again, he's a 25 year-old lefty with filthy stuff, so don't expect them to be "trading" this guy any time soon. The "patience" on this board is non-existent, but still, give the guy a chance to develop.
Also, let's look at his "not bad for a #5" e.r.a another way. There are 30 teams with a 5 man rotation, which means there should be 150 "regular" starters. He's in the middle at #77, so I'd say he's not bad for a #3 starter so far.
You are a little hung up on the WHIP thing, but the fact that half of his walks this year occurred in two innings of work should temper the concern a little. I realize that you don't like the guy because his off-season workout plans don't impress you, but he's young, talented and under team control. I don't see him going anywhere, especially when you consider they will likely extend Lester by the end of this year and Buchholz by the end of next year.
Moon and his whip....lol, gotta love it. How about WINS. Give me 12/14 W,s from my 5 guy who is CHEAP and has very good UPSIDE all day long. I have never seen Moon tell us who we would trade him for?
I suggested Doubront and Lester to KC for Butler (B4 Naps signed) and Myers. (If we were sure we would not extend Lester.)
I suggested Doubront, Bradley, DLR, and Cecchini to AZ for Upton.
There were more.