Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II
posted at 2/13/2013 11:44 PM EST
It's not "obvious" when the rumors have said the Ben turned down the KC offer, not vice versa. Perhaps the deal with Boston was less of a package for just one starter. I have not heard any specifics on what the offers and counteroffers were, and what the sticking point was.
I'm Ok with keeping Lester, especially if we extend him once (of if) he shows he has regained his form this season, but had we chosen to build for 2014 and beyond, trading Lester for Myers would have helped, as long as we used some of the money saved on Lester's contract to upgrade on the Dempster signing (A Sanchez? a SP from next winter's FA class?)
Guess we heard 2 different things. I heard once Rays were willing to include 2 MLB starters, that RS could not match that type of deal because they did not have the depth that the Rays had.The RS would probably have had to include Doubront to equal what Rays were offering. Possibly RS could have done that next year depending on what type of year Barnes/De La Rosa/Webster have this year, but even then would be huge risk.
I'd like to know the names that were discussed. Perhaps, we may never know. I wonder if they had to be 2 pitchers. Would they have taken Lester, Ellsbury and cash?
Even if these guys turn out to be "the real deal", we'd be better off in the longterm future with 5+ years of Myers plus whatever we get with the "saved money" from Lester vs 1-2 years of Lester, then maybe a comp draft pick.
Or maybe Lester has that bounce back season, RS pick up his option for 2014 then sign to extension and keep the closest thing they have to a No.1 starter for the forseable future? Good starting piching toughest thing to find, while Myers probably is real deal, no should carving his bust for Cooperstown just yet. But bottomline which should end Myers discussion is the RS could not give KC 2 MLB starters and Rays could, RS could bring in all the young hitters they want but if they don't pitch better it doesn't really matter. IMO Rays will take a step back this season, Shields will be a tough guy to replace all those CG's and IP's, but in long run it was right move because they do have the depth in pitching that RS don't. But in 2 yrs they are probably a better team as Myers starts to prove what everyone thought.
I'm not usually one to advocate trading solid pitching for a hitter, but I suggested this deal as a good one for the Sox, because as of now, I do not see the Sox extending him. I have heard rumblings of talks, but am not sure it is a good idea. His lost velocity is a big concern. You could be right: it could be a terrible mistake, if Lester has a very good 2013 and we could have extended him. Lester is still young enough to be considered part of our longterm future if we do extend him. My gut just tells me that trading him straight up for Myers would help our longterm future more than keeping Lester and hoping quite a few things happen for it to work out well with him beyond 2014.
I'm OK with not trading any of the kids, in fact that was my top plan: keep the kids and build to improve the pieces around them- not put off building around them until next year.
Don't think Ben was putting off? Just wasn't anything good available in FA market and unfortunately maybe other teams like Rays or Blue Jays were better fits in trades w/ both Marlins and Mets. Just because we as fans want team to go out and get a starter or young OF, has to work for both sides. Small mkt teams are getting smarter now they're locking up there young talent before their arb. yrs completed to long term contracts and now a lot of young talent not making it to FA. Players like Tulo/Cargo/Moore/Posey/ AdamJones/ McCutcheon/etc.. are all signing before getting to FA. Landscape in baseball is changing for large mkt teams and their ability to take top talent from smal mkt teams, which is good for the game.
I meant build around them by gaining more prospects or younger players with more years of team control, along with maybe one FA that will be in his prime for 2014 & 2015 & perhaps beyond. Surely, this was not impossible to make happen.
Perhaps, KC wanted too much (beyond just Lester), but there were a lot of very nice prospects being traded away this winter, and we got none. The only real trade we made was for a one year closer. No signings involved players who will be in their prime in 2014 or 2015. The only extension we made was for Breslow. I like that deal, but I'd hardly call that a major development in improving our longterm outlook.
We had a nice longterm outlook to begin with. I am happy we kept that intact, but simply put, I wish we had done something to improve the longterm outlook, instead of trying to convince fans that we have a legitimate chance in 2013.
Only 2 deals where really top young talent was traded IMO was Blue Jays and Rays deals. As stated RS were not in position to give up 2 mlb starters, and I would not have given 2 of our top prospects to get a 38 yr old starter. For me this will be a telling year for RS farm system if things go right RS could have done right thing by keeping the young talent, who knows maybe even a guy like Ranaudo comes back and pitches himself back into the picture and RS are now the team w/ a surplus and can make a move like Rays did this off season?
Maybe not tip top prospect talent (although we'll have to agree to disagree on Myers), but maybe go all out for Brett Anderson, or come up with a better offer to pry Trevor Bauer from AZ. (AJ Cole? I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now.)