A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Very very ugly outing for Doub.  And certainly one that raises questions about his place in the rotation.  He has to do much much better his next couple of starts.

     




    Two more starts-three at the very most-where he does not show significant improvement and he should be buried at Pawtucket via the DL until he learns to throw strikes. If we didn't have other options we would have to suffer through watching more of the same crap from Doubront; fortunately, we do have options.

     

     




    That weak arm might concern Farrell enough to DL him before his next start. Maybe not, but i think if he does make another start and has the same issues, a DL stint is inevitable

     

     



    The drop in velocity is definitely a concern SP. Wonder if he is experiencing "dead arm" or something like that. If he had a real injury I don't think they would have left him in the game that long. We'll see; there are other options.

     

     




    Both Doubie and farrell say theres no pain or anything that would resemble an injury. Its weird. personally, I think it has to do with his lack of off season conditioning. He threw just under 90IP in 2011 because of injuries due to being out of shape again. He jumped to 161IP in 2012. Thats a signifigant jump in IP, so an off season shoulder program was vital. He had shoulder issues right out of the gate and looked terrible when he showed up to camp. This kid needs to take this more seriously or his spot should be given to someone who does.

     

     
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    A couple of thoughts before bed:  Pedroia needs to hit second in the order. This is where he is best suited. He is not an RBI guy. He is hurting the team in the three hole. Drop Shane down and hit Pedroia second, Ortiz third and Napoli fourth. ...




    I disagree.

    1) It's a widely believed myth that Pedey thrives best in the 2 slot.

          2 slot: .374/.463/.837  (2678 PAs)

          3 slot: .366/.447/.814  (489 PAs)

          4 slot: .442/.675/1.117 (139 PAs)

        One could better argue batting Papi 3rd and Pedey 4th.

    2) Victorino should bat 2nd, but only vs LHPs. His splits are not favorable vs righties (.330 career OBP vs .372 vs LHP). He should not have batted 2nd last night. 

    3) Nava should bat 2nd vs RHPs not Victorino. (I'd even bat Gomes 2nd vs Shane vs lefties, and if Nava cools down, I'd put Gomes up 2nd until things change.)  Nava has a fantastic career OBP vs RHPs: .376. He should stay up 2nd unless he seriously cools down.

    4) Papi up 3rd makes a lot of sense, especially vs RHPs.

    5) If Shane/Gomes vs LHPs and Nava vs RHPs start to fade, then of course a Pedey-Papi-Naps 2-3-4 line-up can be utilized, but with Gomes and Nava getting on base so well, so far, I don't see the need to make a knee-jerk switch. 

    6) Having Napoli up 5th lengthens the line-up considerably, and many baseball pundits stress the importance of the #5 hitter in a line-up. Who bats 5th if we go with Pedey, Papi, Naps 2, 3 & 4? Middlebrooks? (Laughable right now) Nava/Victorino-Gomes? (Weak in power)  Salty? Drew? I think not.

     

    We should go with this for a while longer:

         vs RHPs    vs LHPs

    1)          Ellsbury

    2) Nava        Victorino/Gomes

    3) Papi          Pedey

    4) Pedey       Papi

    5)         Napoli

    6)  Drew       Gomes/Victorino

    7)       Middlebrooks (Ciriaco?)

    8) Salty         Drew

    9) Victorino   Ross    

     

    I'm OK with keeping Papi and Pedey set at 3 & 4 vs all pitchers.

    2013 splits:

    vs RHPs

    Carp  .519/1.080/1.599

    Papi  .563/1.033/1.596

    Nava .410/.515/.924

    Naps  .327/.567/.893

    Ells    .389/.500/.889

    Salty .319/.476/.795

    Ross  .375/.357/.732

    Pedey .386/.330/.716 (Poor slg% dragging him down)

    Ciriaco .333/.333/.666

    Vict   .351/.314/.665

    Drew .333/.279/.612

    Gomes .344/.259/.603 (Shoul seriously avoid ever facing RHPs)

    Midds  .205/.386/.590  (No better options.)

     

    vs LHPs

    Nava  .364/.579/.943 (Not likely to continue vs LHPs)

    Naps  .344/.567/.910

    Ross   .261/.619/.880 (Poor OBP)

    Gomes .438/.435/.872 (That OBP needs to bat 2nd vs lefties)

    Carp     .500/.333/.833 (just 4 PAs)

    Ciriaco .364/.444/.808 

    Pedey  .412/.393/.805 (Again, the low slg% dragging down the OPS)

    Papi     .316/.412/.728 (This should turn around.)

    Midds  .313/.400/.713

    Vict     .310/.269/.580 (Freakishly against his career norm)

    Drew  .182/.368/.550

    Ells     .255/.245/.500 (Needs monitoring)

    Salty  .250/.154/.404 (Ross should start vs all LHPs as I suggested in March.)

     

     

     
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    Both Doubie and farrell say theres no pain or anything that would resemble an injury. Its weird. personally, I think it has to do with his lack of off season conditioning. He threw just under 90IP in 2011 because of injuries due to being out of shape again. He jumped to 161IP in 2012. Thats a signifigant jump in IP, so an off season shoulder program was vital. He had shoulder issues right out of the gate and looked terrible when he showed up to camp. This kid needs to take this more seriously or his spot should be given to someone who does.

    I'm no spring chicken, and one thing I have noticed about human behavior and personality is that it is very very rare for someone to radically change who they are after their teen years. It happens at times, but very unfrequently. 

    Felix and his conditioning really concerned me a few years ago, but I gave him the benefit of doubt and hoped for the best, but I still often suggested trading him based mostly on the attitude issue, not his skillset. Coming to camp out of condition again just about was the last straw, but since he has such nasty stuff, I was OK with giving him a chance to show improvement.

    It is still way too early to judge, but the trend is not encouraging so far.

     
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    A couple of thoughts before bed:  Pedroia needs to hit second in the order. This is where he is best suited. He is not an RBI guy. He is hurting the team in the three hole. Drop Shane down and hit Pedroia second, Ortiz third and Napoli fourth. ...

     




     

    I disagree.

    1) It's a widely believed myth that Pedey thrives best in the 2 slot.

          2 slot: .374/.463/.837  (2678 PAs)

          3 slot: .366/.447/.814  (489 PAs)

          4 slot: .442/.675/1.117 (139 PAs)

        One could better argue batting Papi 3rd and Pedey 4th.

    2) Victorino should bat 2nd, but only vs LHPs. His splits are not favorable vs righties (.330 career OBP vs .372 vs LHP). He should not have batted 2nd last night. 

    3) Nava should bat 2nd vs RHPs not Victorino. (I'd even bat Gomes 2nd vs Shane vs lefties, and if Nava cools down, I'd put Gomes up 2nd until things change.)  Nava has a fantastic career OBP vs RHPs: .376. He should stay up 2nd unless he seriously cools down.

    4) Papi up 3rd makes a lot of sense, especially vs RHPs.

    5) If Shane/Gomes vs LHPs and Nava vs RHPs start to fade, then of course a Pedey-Papi-Naps 2-3-4 line-up can be utilized, but with Gomes and Nava getting on base so well, so far, I don't see the need to make a knee-jerk switch. 

    6) Having Napoli up 5th lengthens the line-up considerably, and many baseball pundits stress the importance of the #5 hitter in a line-up. Who bats 5th if we go with Pedey, Papi, Naps 2, 3 & 4? Middlebrooks? (Laughable right now) Nava/Victorino-Gomes? (Weak in power)  Salty? Drew? I think not.

     

    We should go with this for a while longer:

         vs RHPs    vs LHPs

    1)          Ellsbury

    2) Nava        Victorino/Gomes

    3) Papi          Pedey

    4) Pedey       Papi

    5)         Napoli

    6)  Drew       Gomes/Victorino

    7)       Middlebrooks (Ciriaco?)

    8) Salty         Drew

    9) Victorino   Ross    

     

    I'm OK with keeping Papi and Pedey set at 3 & 4 vs all pitchers.

    2013 splits:

    vs RHPs

    Carp  .519/1.080/1.599

    Papi  .563/1.033/1.596

    Nava .410/.515/.924

    Naps  .327/.567/.893

    Ells    .389/.500/.889

    Salty .319/.476/.795

    Ross  .375/.357/.732

    Pedey .386/.330/.716 (Poor slg% dragging him down)

    Ciriaco .333/.333/.666

    Vict   .351/.314/.665

    Drew .333/.279/.612

    Gomes .344/.259/.603 (Shoul seriously avoid ever facing RHPs)

    Midds  .205/.386/.590  (No better options.)

     

    vs LHPs

    Nava  .364/.579/.943 (Not likely to continue vs LHPs)

    Naps  .344/.567/.910

    Ross   .261/.619/.880 (Poor OBP)

    Gomes .438/.435/.872 (That OBP needs to bat 2nd vs lefties)

    Carp     .500/.333/.833 (just 4 PAs)

    Ciriaco .364/.444/.808 

    Pedey  .412/.393/.805 (Again, the low slg% dragging down the OPS)

    Papi     .316/.412/.728 (This should turn around.)

    Midds  .313/.400/.713

    Vict     .310/.269/.580 (Freakishly against his career norm)

    Drew  .182/.368/.550

    Ells     .255/.245/.500 (Needs monitoring)

    Salty  .250/.154/.404 (Ross should start vs all LHPs as I suggested in March.)

     

     



    Pedroia is not a cleanup hitter. You complain about small sample sizes, then use one to argue for Pedroia hitting fourth. Dustin has but 12 RBIs so far. From what I can see , he is pressing a bit. Bailing and trying to drive the ball, he is unable to handle the outside corner. I think he would be more comfortable hitting second. Would probably see more fastballs as well. Right now , we do not have a good option to bat fifth, but that is something that will have to be worked out. Pedroia is out of his element in a power spot in the order. I do not think the batting order should be based on past year's stats. It should reflect current performance. 

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    A couple of thoughts before bed:  Pedroia needs to hit second in the order. This is where he is best suited. He is not an RBI guy. He is hurting the team in the three hole. Drop Shane down and hit Pedroia second, Ortiz third and Napoli fourth. ...

     




     

    I disagree.

    1) It's a widely believed myth that Pedey thrives best in the 2 slot.

          2 slot: .374/.463/.837  (2678 PAs)

          3 slot: .366/.447/.814  (489 PAs)

          4 slot: .442/.675/1.117 (139 PAs)

        One could better argue batting Papi 3rd and Pedey 4th.

    2) Victorino should bat 2nd, but only vs LHPs. His splits are not favorable vs righties (.330 career OBP vs .372 vs LHP). He should not have batted 2nd last night. 

    3) Nava should bat 2nd vs RHPs not Victorino. (I'd even bat Gomes 2nd vs Shane vs lefties, and if Nava cools down, I'd put Gomes up 2nd until things change.)  Nava has a fantastic career OBP vs RHPs: .376. He should stay up 2nd unless he seriously cools down.

    4) Papi up 3rd makes a lot of sense, especially vs RHPs.

    5) If Shane/Gomes vs LHPs and Nava vs RHPs start to fade, then of course a Pedey-Papi-Naps 2-3-4 line-up can be utilized, but with Gomes and Nava getting on base so well, so far, I don't see the need to make a knee-jerk switch. 

    6) Having Napoli up 5th lengthens the line-up considerably, and many baseball pundits stress the importance of the #5 hitter in a line-up. Who bats 5th if we go with Pedey, Papi, Naps 2, 3 & 4? Middlebrooks? (Laughable right now) Nava/Victorino-Gomes? (Weak in power)  Salty? Drew? I think not.

     

    We should go with this for a while longer:

         vs RHPs    vs LHPs

    1)          Ellsbury

    2) Nava        Victorino/Gomes

    3) Papi          Pedey

    4) Pedey       Papi

    5)         Napoli

    6)  Drew       Gomes/Victorino

    7)       Middlebrooks (Ciriaco?)

    8) Salty         Drew

    9) Victorino   Ross    

     

    I'm OK with keeping Papi and Pedey set at 3 & 4 vs all pitchers.

    2013 splits:

    vs RHPs

    Carp  .519/1.080/1.599

    Papi  .563/1.033/1.596

    Nava .410/.515/.924

    Naps  .327/.567/.893

    Ells    .389/.500/.889

    Salty .319/.476/.795

    Ross  .375/.357/.732

    Pedey .386/.330/.716 (Poor slg% dragging him down)

    Ciriaco .333/.333/.666

    Vict   .351/.314/.665

    Drew .333/.279/.612

    Gomes .344/.259/.603 (Shoul seriously avoid ever facing RHPs)

    Midds  .205/.386/.590  (No better options.)

     

    vs LHPs

    Nava  .364/.579/.943 (Not likely to continue vs LHPs)

    Naps  .344/.567/.910

    Ross   .261/.619/.880 (Poor OBP)

    Gomes .438/.435/.872 (That OBP needs to bat 2nd vs lefties)

    Carp     .500/.333/.833 (just 4 PAs)

    Ciriaco .364/.444/.808 

    Pedey  .412/.393/.805 (Again, the low slg% dragging down the OPS)

    Papi     .316/.412/.728 (This should turn around.)

    Midds  .313/.400/.713

    Vict     .310/.269/.580 (Freakishly against his career norm)

    Drew  .182/.368/.550

    Ells     .255/.245/.500 (Needs monitoring)

    Salty  .250/.154/.404 (Ross should start vs all LHPs as I suggested in March.)

     

     

     



    Pedroia is not a cleanup hitter. You complain about small sample sizes, then use one to argue for Pedroia hitting fourth. Dustin has but 12 RBIs so far. From what I can see , he is pressing a bit. Bailing and trying to drive the ball, he is unable to handle the outside corner. I think he would be more comfortable hitting second. Would probably see more fastballs as well. Right now , we do not have a good option to bat fifth, but that is something that will have to be worked out. Pedroia is out of his element in a power spot in the order. I do not think the batting order should be based on past year's stats. It should reflect current performance. 

     

     



    I am not saying I want Pedey batting 4th based on the 139 PA sample size. I posted the numbers to show that it is a myth that Pedey only does well in the 2 slot.  Pedey's slow power start is concerning for the 3-4 slot, but I'm not projecting a sub .400 Slg% for Pedey from here on out.

     

    The main reason I want Pedey batting 3rd or 4th is so Naps can bat 5th not 4th. I think Nava (vs RHPs) and Victorino/Gomes (vs LHPs) get on base well enough to bat 2nd, and they have less power or "pop" than Pedey.

    "Current performance" based on what? Just this year? Talk about small sample sizes. Would you bat Carp 3rd or 4th then? How small a sample size is small to you?

    Pedey's power will return soon enough, and his high OBP makes him a fine 3 or 4 hitter anyways. Naps has the lowest OBP of our best 5 hitters, and he has power, so he should bat 5th. 

    BTW, speaking of small sample sizes, Pedey's sample size this year is smaller than the sample size batting 4th I mentioned, yet you want to make a change based on 135 PAs.

     
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     Dustin has but 12 RBIs so far. From what I can see , he is pressing a bit. Bailing and trying to drive the ball, he is unable to handle the outside corner. I think he would be more comfortable hitting second.

    Pedey has always swung like a clean-up hitter no matter where he hits in the line-up. In fact, his swing has never looked like the traditional two slot hitter.

     
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     Dustin has but 12 RBIs so far. From what I can see , he is pressing a bit. Bailing and trying to drive the ball, he is unable to handle the outside corner. I think he would be more comfortable hitting second.

    Pedey has always swung like a clean-up hitter no matter where he hits in the line-up. In fact, his swing has never looked like the traditional slot hitter.



    Moonslav , if I said this is Sunday afternoon, you would say " not everywhere in the world". The fact is , Pedroia has hit third all year. He has no homers , no triples, six doubles and 12 RBIs. That is a fact. Why not change things up a bit ?  

     
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     Dustin has but 12 RBIs so far. From what I can see , he is pressing a bit. Bailing and trying to drive the ball, he is unable to handle the outside corner. I think he would be more comfortable hitting second.

    Pedey has always swung like a clean-up hitter no matter where he hits in the line-up. In fact, his swing has never looked like the traditional slot hitter.

     



    Moonslav , if I said this is Sunday afternoon, you would say " not everywhere in the world". The fact is , Pedroia has hit third all year. He has no homers , no triples, six doubles and 12 RBIs. That is a fact. Why not change things up a bit ?  

     



    I am for changing things up., but not because of a small sample size....

    Papi 3rd, Pedey 4th.

    No Shane up 2nd vs RHPs.

     
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    Interesting stat of note (before today's games):

    Road OPS:

    1) Cleve .818

    2) Oak   .810

    2A) BOS  .810

    4) COL  .800

    5) NYY  .784

    6) Hou  .759

    7) Bal   .751

    8) LAD  .748

    9) NYM  .742

    10) ATL .725

     
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    Interesting stat of note (before today's games):

    Road OPS:

    1) Cleve .818

    2) Oak   .810

    2A) BOS  .810

    4) COL  .800

    5) NYY  .784

    6) Hou  .759

    7) Bal   .751

    8) LAD  .748

    9) NYM  .742

    10) ATL .725


    Oakland is #2 because they faced Houston eight times already this year.   LOL

     

     
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    Interesting stat of note (before today's games):

    Road OPS:

    1) Cleve .818

    2) Oak   .810

    2A) BOS  .810

    4) COL  .800

    5) NYY  .784

    6) Hou  .759

    7) Bal   .751

    8) LAD  .748

    9) NYM  .742

    10) ATL .725

     

     


    Oakland is #2 because they faced Houston eight times already this year.   LOL

     



    Not 8 times on the road.

     
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    On Drew and fielding...

    UZR is only supposed to be used in 2-3 year sample sizes, but it's interesting to note this...

    SSs with 170 innings played in 2013:

    UZR/150

    1) Drew  32.7

    2) Simmons 30.9

    3) Andrus  30.1

    4) Pennington 21.9

    If you widen the group to any SS with over 40 innings, there are 47 of them:

    1) Aviles  44.6

    2) Iggy  35.4

    3) Drew  32.7

    47) Ciriaco -164.7

     
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     Dustin has but 12 RBIs so far. From what I can see , he is pressing a bit. Bailing and trying to drive the ball, he is unable to handle the outside corner. I think he would be more comfortable hitting second.

    Pedey has always swung like a clean-up hitter no matter where he hits in the line-up. In fact, his swing has never looked like the traditional slot hitter.

     



    Moonslav , if I said this is Sunday afternoon, you would say " not everywhere in the world". The fact is , Pedroia has hit third all year. He has no homers , no triples, six doubles and 12 RBIs. That is a fact. Why not change things up a bit ?  

     




    Am i crazy for wanting to switch the 8 and 9spot between Drew and Vic? I like Ells leading off,pedey 2nd, Papi 3rd because I want him to get a guaranteed AB in the 1st inning. Naps is ok cleaning up. Nava/Gomes/Carp 5th, All3 with good power and OBP. Middy 6th, Salty/Ross 7th and like I said, Drew/Vic 8th/9th depending whos on the mound. Just my thoughts.

     
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    Shane up before Ells gives us double speed, and Drew hits RHPs much better than SV, so Drew 8th and SV 9th vs RHPs is fine with me.

    Vs LHPs, I want SV up 2nd and Ross or Drew up 9th.

     
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    Shane up before Ells gives us double speed, and Drew hits RHPs much better than SV, so Drew 8th and SV 9th vs RHPs is fine with me.

    Vs LHPs, I want SV up 2nd and Ross or Drew up 9th.




    I can live with that. Makes sense.

    I respect Kimmi and her views, but to say batting order doesnt make a difference is just crazy thinking to me. maybe im too old school, but I refuse to buy into that.

     
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    Shane up before Ells gives us double speed, and Drew hits RHPs much better than SV, so Drew 8th and SV 9th vs RHPs is fine with me.

    Vs LHPs, I want SV up 2nd and Ross or Drew up 9th.

     




    I can live with that. Makes sense.

     

    I respect Kimmi and her views, but to say batting order doesnt make a difference is just crazy thinking to me. maybe im too old school, but I refuse to buy into that.



    In all fairness to Kimmi, I do think the line-up might not matter as much as many of us have felt it does, but I think she is going to the extreme.

    JuSt in terms of the amount of PAs, the difference between the 1 and 9 slot was over 130 PAs. There's just no way swapping these two does not make a game or more difference.

    I do understand that many theories from tradition may be unfounded and overemphasized, and I have been for breaking some paradigms myself over the years. Some very knowledgable baseball people are saying the 5 slot is very important and the 3 slot is over-rated. I am OK with that theory, but the 3 slot is still very important.

    I do not think the "optimal" line-up would put Papi first. That would mean there is at least one time he gets up with no men on base right off the bat. My guess is the "optimal line-up" would put our best OBP up 1 and 2, so that would move Ellsbury down, at least until he catches fire. Maybe something like this:

           vs RHPs   vs LHPs

    1) Pedey        Vict

    2) Nava          Gomes

    3) Papi           Pedey

    4) Napoli        Papi

    5) Vict            Napoli

    6)         Ellsbury

    7)          D Ross      

    8) Drew         Midd

    9) Midd          Drew

     
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    The sample sizes are small, but here are some interesting numbers:

    Road OPS in the AL:

    1) Cleve  .818

    2) Oak   .812

    3) Boston .798

    4) NY Y   .784

    5) Hou  .759

    6) Bal  .753

    7) Det  .717

    8) TBR  .716

    9) Kansas City .715

    10) Los Angeles .703

    11) Texas  .693

    12) Seattle  .684

    13) Toronto .669

    14) Chicago  .660

    15) Minn  .658

     

    Road ERA

    1) Detroit  2.91

    2) TX 3.42

    3) KC 3.56

    4) CLE 3.67

    5) Bal  3.67

    6) Bos  3.68

    7) Oak 3.69

    8) CWS 4.24

    9) NYY  4.31

    10) MN  4.49

    11) Tor  4.62

    12) TBR 4.86

    13) LAA 4.92

    14) Sea  5.08

    15) Hou  5.49

     
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    I vote for bringing up Aceves tomorrow and Webster too if they can arrange it. Hanrahan is a possible DL right and they should be able to find someone to demote. Maybe an Alex Wilson. They need fresh arms. They can always bring wilson back up later.

    Iglesias was benched during a recent game and not played today. Disciplinary action or is it a possible trade? No rumor at all of a trade though and it shouldn't take 2 days to coordinate usually. He has always been a very solid young man from all indications. Possibly he tried to steal a base on his own and got caught. It could be disciplinary.

    A deal for McCann would be rather cool, especially if Salty was part of it but Andrelton Simmons isn't sitting for Iglesias any time soon. A complete Pipe dream with the longbottom leaf and the best smoke rings Gandalf has to offer. Highly doubtful.

     

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    They clearly need to bring up at least one guy though. For Hanrahan.

     
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    They clearly need to bring up at least one guy though. For Hanrahan.




    Time to demote Doubront and allow Webster to start?

     
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    In response to RedsoxProspects' comment:

    I vote for bringing up Aceves tomorrow and Webster too if they can arrange it. Hanrahan is a possible DL right and they should be able to find someone to demote. Maybe an Alex Wilson. They need fresh arms. They can always bring wilson back up later.

    Iglesias was benched during a recent game and not played today. Disciplinary action or is it a possible trade? No rumor at all of a trade though and it shouldn't take 2 days to coordinate usually. He has always been a very solid young man from all indications. Possibly he tried to steal a base on his own and got caught. It could be disciplinary.

    A deal for McCann would be rather cool, especially if Salty was part of it but Andrelton Simmons isn't sitting for Iglesias any time soon. A complete Pipe dream with the longbottom leaf and the best smoke rings Gandalf has to offer. Highly doubtful.

     

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    No. Just think he was hit on wrist by pitch night before and been bothering him a bit.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Both Doubie and farrell say theres no pain or anything that would resemble an injury. Its weird. personally, I think it has to do with his lack of off season conditioning. He threw just under 90IP in 2011 because of injuries due to being out of shape again. He jumped to 161IP in 2012. Thats a signifigant jump in IP, so an off season shoulder program was vital. He had shoulder issues right out of the gate and looked terrible when he showed up to camp. This kid needs to take this more seriously or his spot should be given to someone who does.

    I'm no spring chicken, and one thing I have noticed about human behavior and personality is that it is very very rare for someone to radically change who they are after their teen years. It happens at times, but very unfrequently. 

    Felix and his conditioning really concerned me a few years ago, but I gave him the benefit of doubt and hoped for the best, but I still often suggested trading him based mostly on the attitude issue, not his skillset. Coming to camp out of condition again just about was the last straw, but since he has such nasty stuff, I was OK with giving him a chance to show improvement.

    It is still way too early to judge, but the trend is not encouraging so far.




    Moon agree 100% on this one. 2 yrs ago comes to camp in awful shape and basically is hurt all year and spends entire yr on DL or in minors after having come to the bigs the previous season and having some success out of the bullpen. Last yr comes to camp in great shape and is probably the one bright spot in an otherwise dreadful yr and earns a rotation spot and looks to be a good young starter w/ a bright future in the bigs. Then for some unexplained reason decides to show up AGAIN out of shape. Makes absolutely no sense to me at all, w/ the $ good starters make these days not sure how someone could be so lazy? Season is still young and he could turn it around but if history tell us anything look for him to end up on DL. If he had options I would send him to AAA to get in shape and bring up Webster to send a message, unfortunately we can not do this- Too Bad!

     
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    Both Doubie and farrell say theres no pain or anything that would resemble an injury. Its weird. personally, I think it has to do with his lack of off season conditioning. He threw just under 90IP in 2011 because of injuries due to being out of shape again. He jumped to 161IP in 2012. Thats a signifigant jump in IP, so an off season shoulder program was vital. He had shoulder issues right out of the gate and looked terrible when he showed up to camp. This kid needs to take this more seriously or his spot should be given to someone who does.

    I'm no spring chicken, and one thing I have noticed about human behavior and personality is that it is very very rare for someone to radically change who they are after their teen years. It happens at times, but very unfrequently. 

    Felix and his conditioning really concerned me a few years ago, but I gave him the benefit of doubt and hoped for the best, but I still often suggested trading him based mostly on the attitude issue, not his skillset. Coming to camp out of condition again just about was the last straw, but since he has such nasty stuff, I was OK with giving him a chance to show improvement.

    It is still way too early to judge, but the trend is not encouraging so far.

     




     

    Moon agree 100% on this one. 2 yrs ago comes to camp in awful shape and basically is hurt all year and spends entire yr on DL or in minors after having come to the bigs the previous season and having some success out of the bullpen. Last yr comes to camp in great shape and is probably the one bright spot in an otherwise dreadful yr and earns a rotation spot and looks to be a good young starter w/ a bright future in the bigs. Then for some unexplained reason decides to show up AGAIN out of shape. Makes absolutely no sense to me at all, w/ the $ good starters make these days not sure how someone could be so lazy? Season is still young and he could turn it around but if history tell us anything look for him to end up on DL. If he had options I would send him to AAA to get in shape and bring up Webster to send a message, unfortunately we can not do this- Too Bad!



    His trade value may have already peaked, but that and demoting him to the pen are about our only options beyond a phantom DL & rehab assignment. He will likely get a couple more starts on short leash.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    Our 2013 starters have averaged exatly 6 IP per start (192/32).

    Our 2012 starters averaged 5.73 IP per start. That a pretty significant differential.

     

    On offense:

    In 2012 our offense scored 0-3 runs 79 times (48.8%), 4 runs 17 times, and 5+ runs 66 times. The median runs scored was 4.

    In 2013 our offense has scored 0-3 runs 12 times (37.5%), 4 runs 2 times, and 5+ runs 18 times. The median runs scored is 5.

     

    Although the Sox offense is aided by playing half the games at Fenway, we are a top 3 road OPS team so far this year.

    Our staff has done a great job so far this season. Of course it is early, and I don't expect these numbers to hold up all year, but so far...

    The 2013 staff & defense has allowed ...

    0-3 runs 16 times (50%)

    4 runs 6 times (19%)

    5 runs 5 times (16%)

    6+ runs 5 times (16%, including just 6% with 9 or more runs allowed))

    The 2012 staff:

    0-3  34%

    4      15%

    5      15%

    6+    35% (including 13% with 9 or more runs allowed)

    These numbers show the main difference between 2012 and 2013. No, it's not "giddiness". I realize the season is early, and we are bound to hit some more rough patches over the next few months, but there are sure some signs of things turning around.

     

     
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    I was just going to suggest we bring up Aceves to be our closer--to get the blood running Boys!--but then I see Boom has already suggested he come up.  I don't really see him as a closer, but maybe after his slap on the wrist he'll want to prove something.  If he can get his head right, I still think he's best in long relief.  I'm all for Webster coming up.

    Moon, I know you don't always go with tradition.  Remember the "co-pitcher" idea you've floated before?  What would you say, just for fun, about the two above?

    I'm pretty excited, the RS are on ESPN today so I can watch them after school here on the West Coast.

    Anyone have a view on C. Schilling's pitching commentery?  He seems pretty knowledgable to me though a little arrogant which may just have been part of his winning formula.  Anyway, I think he would make a good pitching coach if he ever wanted to go in that direction.  Comments?

     

     

     

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