Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II
posted at 5/29/2013 12:53 PM EDT
In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to RedsoxProspects' comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
Were in 1st place, have great chemistry going here, and everyone is talking about trading guys so the UNPROVEN rookies can play? Sorry, I dont see any logic in that what so ever. NONE.
The kids are there if they are NEEDED this year. Like JBJ being called up for Vic, then probably sent back down. Like lavarnway for Ross, then sent back down. If the Sox had faith in Lavarnway they wouldnt have signed Ross. Next year is their time. If there is a major injury or they are out of contention, then Ok. Trading someone like Salty, Ellsbury or Drew while in 1st place and doing good because you think the kids "might" be ready is incompetent at best.
Vasquez is by far the best catching prospect and I wouldnt want even him stepping in right now. there is no need to inject "new life" into this team. The full time players are doing fine.
I agree Gomes is not doing well, but hes a very PT player who has a contract that nobody will want.
I have no problem whatsoever agreeing to disagreeing with you ex. I conceed that my scenario is not likely. It is the kind of approach conservative teams often delay and we have seen that from the sox over the years a lot. They wait forever before bringing up guys to stay. They rarely take a chance and just give a rookie a slot aas do teams like Minnesota and there is a reason for that. We can afford to wait longer obviously. With certain talent though, just bring the kid up. Could Fred Lynn play when they brought him up? Jim rice ...etc. Sometimes it is best to just let the kid play.
When I see numbers like what JBJ put up last year, from a guy who may actually be our best OF defender also, and I see it continue this year ( on top of 2 college WS championships BTW ), I consider that sort of guy to be appropriate to bring up. Except for the power number considerations, JBJ has put up Mike trout type numbers in the minors. Bryce Harper type numbers. The kind of numbers Ellsbury put up ( actually better ). And he has done it almost immediately since coming back from an injury in college. He stepped into the minors and immediately kicked fanny last year and is topping that this year in Spring Training and almost 100 AB in AAA.
Even in his SSS of 38 plate appearances in mlb this year and his horrible BA he still got on base at a .263 clip. If the kid hit at all he would have been our best lead off option. He has great defensive skill AND he might just be our best OBP option before year end if we actually bring him up.
Lots of analysts have said that if the Angels had brought up Trout earlier last year they would have made the playoffs. Sometimes in management you just get out of the way.
First off champ, Im Sorry to disappoint you but Im not expitch. As much as you would like to believe everything that comes out of your mouth is true, its not. So if you keep referring to me as him, just dont bother talking to me at all. Its pretty self righteous and disrepectful of you to actually think you know for a fact that Im a guy who is about 30yrs older than me and who was pitching at USC before I was even thought of yet. So please just stop making a fool of yourself in regards to that. OK then, with that said...
We already schooled geo on when the Sox bring the kids up. He claimed they wait forever as well...The sox have brought most all of their prospects up with this regime at the age of 22-23. Thats pretty young and age appropriate with most teams when it comes to prospects. They dont need to bring kids up before they are ready like other teams. We saw what happened to the Twins this year with their CF Aaron Hicks. Like JBJ, he looked good in ST but had about 80 more minor league games in AA than JBJ, so they gave him the job. They just took a more aggressive approach and "took a chance", like you suggest. Hes batting 161 with a 238 OBP. Yeah, that worked out well, huh? Same thing was happening with JBJ until they sent him back down to complete his development. He only had 43 games at AA and we saw he was over matched at the MLB level. College is not nearly the same as MLB pitching and theres going to be a good learning curve there regardless.
We didnt need to keep JBJ up here to try and figure it out. We could send him to an environment that was better suited for more development. Its easier to develop and work on things when your not under pressure to perform like in MLB. Hes just 23. Thats hardly holding anyone back. When hes ready and its his time, he will be here for good. Sometimes when your ready you might have to wait a little longer because the player and the teams timeline doesnt always match up. Like youk and Boggs. Hes doing better and will get his shot again, and if he proves himself, then maybe he will stay.
Tell me, who do you sit for an unproven JBJ? Nava? who has clearly earned a spot and paid his dues? Ells? aint happening. Victorino? when he returns, he will be back in RF. I hope the kid does good when he comes up here and Im pulling for him. Im just not sure breaking up whats working just to take a chance on him is the right way. He will have a few days to make his case with Vic out. Like they say Boom, things usually work themselves out.
I didn't mean to call you ex, southpaw, even though you are absolutely correct in that I do think that is who you are. It just came out. Very similar writing style, and thought process and you just happen to know everything about him and he's such a nice guy and OH so knowledgeable. Spare me please. Oh, did I mention that you just happened to get an email from him and he is doing just great with a new book out...etc. What a crock. Both of you supposedly ex pitchers...etc. At what point does it start to add up for the people here?
I didn't say calling up JBJ was a conventional choice or even that the team would chose to do that. The plan probably is that when Victorino comes back he probably goes down. I'm saying I think the kid is ready now and I hope he just explodes on the scene and we make room for him because I think he can help.
Is it all that crazy to think that maybe he can do better than Jonny Gomes and his lifetime .242 BA? Gomes is supposed to hit HR at least and he hasn't even done that yet much. Wonderful guy. I like him a lot, but he is not that good an option. So far the best thing about him is his fielding! And that is not as projected.
And Victorino has much better splits against LH pitching than RH pitching. Both guys have flaws. We just haven't seen Victorino's much yet. And he is playing with a bad back. That is not a good scenario. JBJ has much better splits and so far at least in the minors he has been tearing it up offensively and defensively.
At least trade Gomes. It hasn't worked. Play Victorino against LH pitching instead of Gomes, along with JBJ and Ellsbury. Much better team defense and splits potentially. Gomes is hitting .151 versus LH pitchers so far ( which is supposed to be his only strength ) and only .190 against RH. With a total of 2 HR. 121 plate appearances. JBJ had 1/3 the mlb plate appearances and people are saying he can't cut it in the majors citing that as evidence.
Play the kid.