A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    Don't play the kid--or the other one either.  I like Bradley and Iglesias a lot, but the Sox have been winning without them (and now, with Middlebrooks on the DL, with one of them).  One of the reasons for the great chemistry on this team is the veterans are shown some respect, unlike the way Bobby V handled the situation with Youkilis last year.  Thus Farrell announced in early April the SS job was Drew's when he returned, and Drew has repaid the confidence with excellent fielding, including just one error on the season--very unusual for a SS.  Plus maybe his hitting is coming around, and there can be little doubt his hitting potential is greater than Iglesias.  And let's not forget Iglesias had a really good shot at showing his stuff on the big club last year and bombed.  That's why Drew was acquired, but the really good news for Iglesias is Drew only has a one year contract.  Iglesias needs to focus on getting better and getting the repetitions at whatever level he is assigned to play. 

    As is typical for all MLB teams, injuries are giving new opportunities to both Iglesias and Bradley, and that's fine with me.  But I also think right now the best outfield when Vic returns is Vic, Ellsbury, and Nava (and occasionally, sadly, Gomes).  Bradley surely recognizes that Ellsbury is even more of a one year guy than Drew because chances are very slim Ellsbury will return next year.  So Bradley can spend at least some time at AAA, where he never played before this year, and prepare to the the Sox starting centerfielder.  This is going to come as a shock to some of you, but even Ted Williams had to put in some time at AAA. 

    I say again, I do not understand this constant harping that Iglesias and Bradley must play every day in Boston and do so immediately.  Whatever Cherington did last year and then in the offseason sure looks to be working.  The whole team is playing together and supporting each other.  A bad team has been transformed into a good team.  And, hopefully, the young guys like Bradley and Iglesias will make the Sox even better next year or even later this summer. 

     

     




    I agree.

     

    Drew is has an 871 OPS for May and the team overall chemistry is great. They have guys like Middy who really hasnt contributed much, but they are still winning. Its foolish to disrupt that if its not needed. you dont make a move just to make one when it doesnt make sense. Iggy and JBJ will get MLB playing time as needed this year. Hopefully they will take over full time next year. makes me question some peoples motivation here. Why fix whats not broken. Come July we will see where we stand and what moves need to be made. Right now, were fine..



    I agree that the Sox are fine right now. In fact, any move I suggest, i'm really talking about July or literally, right on the last hours of the deadline. Just wanted to make that clear. The only thing i have against Lee is that i'd rather get better & younger if they give-up that many decent prospects. Something has to eventually give (if the Sox are in fact a 1st place team making a run for the postseason). I'd like to replace Doubront w/ a #1 or #2 or get a guy like Stanton to put the offense over the top. I dont think they can do both this yr., but the way Lackey & Dempster are pitching overall, it may not be as nessesary as, I think, a power bat might be Imho. 

    Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster for Stanton & a raw A ball Pitching prospect w/ a decent ceiling but a long ways off. Off the top of my head - don't hold me to it. Ballpark. 

    Side note- I'd like to see a list of what players, at the end of the day, are truly expendable by some respectable posters here. 

     
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    Also think that the way the Sox are bringing up Iggy & JBJ to fill in spots here & there because of injuries and giving them intermittent looks is what i always thought how they'd go about it (after the offseason signings that is ).

     
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    Don't play the kid--or the other one either.  I like Bradley and Iglesias a lot, but the Sox have been winning without them (and now, with Middlebrooks on the DL, with one of them).  One of the reasons for the great chemistry on this team is the veterans are shown some respect, unlike the way Bobby V handled the situation with Youkilis last year.  Thus Farrell announced in early April the SS job was Drew's when he returned, and Drew has repaid the confidence with excellent fielding, including just one error on the season--very unusual for a SS.  Plus maybe his hitting is coming around, and there can be little doubt his hitting potential is greater than Iglesias.  And let's not forget Iglesias had a really good shot at showing his stuff on the big club last year and bombed.  That's why Drew was acquired, but the really good news for Iglesias is Drew only has a one year contract.  Iglesias needs to focus on getting better and getting the repetitions at whatever level he is assigned to play. 

    As is typical for all MLB teams, injuries are giving new opportunities to both Iglesias and Bradley, and that's fine with me.  But I also think right now the best outfield when Vic returns is Vic, Ellsbury, and Nava (and occasionally, sadly, Gomes).  Bradley surely recognizes that Ellsbury is even more of a one year guy than Drew because chances are very slim Ellsbury will return next year.  So Bradley can spend at least some time at AAA, where he never played before this year, and prepare to the the Sox starting centerfielder.  This is going to come as a shock to some of you, but even Ted Williams had to put in some time at AAA. 

    I say again, I do not understand this constant harping that Iglesias and Bradley must play every day in Boston and do so immediately.  Whatever Cherington did last year and then in the offseason sure looks to be working.  The whole team is playing together and supporting each other.  A bad team has been transformed into a good team.  And, hopefully, the young guys like Bradley and Iglesias will make the Sox even better next year or even later this summer. 

     

     




    I agree.

     

    Drew is has an 871 OPS for May and the team overall chemistry is great. They have guys like Middy who really hasnt contributed much, but they are still winning. Its foolish to disrupt that if its not needed. you dont make a move just to make one when it doesnt make sense. Iggy and JBJ will get MLB playing time as needed this year. Hopefully they will take over full time next year. makes me question some peoples motivation here. Why fix whats not broken. Come July we will see where we stand and what moves need to be made. Right now, were fine..

     



    I agree that the Sox are fine right now. In fact, any move I suggest, i'm really talking about July or literally, right on the last hours of the deadline. Just wanted to make that clear. The only thing i have against Lee is that i'd rather get better & younger if they give-up that many decent prospects. Something has to eventually give (if the Sox are in fact a 1st place team making a run for the postseason). I'd like to replace Doubront w/ a #1 or #2 orget a guy like Stanton to put the offense over the top. I dont think they can do both this yr., but the way Lackey & Dempster are pitching overall, it may not be as nessesary as, I think, a power bat might be Imho. 

     

    Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster for Stanton & a raw A ball Pitching prospect w/ a decent ceiling but a long ways off. Off the top of my head - don't hold me to it. Ballpark. 

    Side note- I'd like to see a list of what players, at the end of the day, are truly expendable by some respectable posters here. 



    I sure as heck wouldn't give up "Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster" for Stanton and a raw A pitching prospect. That's 2 of our top 3 prospects plus a regular OF, a solid catching prospect and a decent starter depth guy. For a guy who is hitting .227 with 3 HR so far this year. Stanton is a stud but I'd prefer he had much better numbers this year before doing that deal. 

     
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    Swihart with 2 games in a row with 3 hits after coming back from an injury. Good defensively. Not striking out much at all. Seeing a lot of pitches. Really looking solid.

     
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    A few notes:

    1) Yes, we have been winning with Drew, but it's not like we were losing with Iggy.

    2) Getting older with Lee is not the direction we should go.

    3) I have been a big defender of Salty since last May, but I don't see him sustaining this offensive pace all year, and his PB, WP and CS rate are all worse than last year. We should explore a trade, but not give him away.

    4) Not having Papi's bat in the line-up at NL parks is scary.

    5) Although Gomes is hitting only .177, his .333 OBP is higher than Ellsbury, Carp, Salty, and Drew's.

     
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    Don't play the kid--or the other one either.  I like Bradley and Iglesias a lot, but the Sox have been winning without them (and now, with Middlebrooks on the DL, with one of them).  One of the reasons for the great chemistry on this team is the veterans are shown some respect, unlike the way Bobby V handled the situation with Youkilis last year.  Thus Farrell announced in early April the SS job was Drew's when he returned, and Drew has repaid the confidence with excellent fielding, including just one error on the season--very unusual for a SS.  Plus maybe his hitting is coming around, and there can be little doubt his hitting potential is greater than Iglesias.  And let's not forget Iglesias had a really good shot at showing his stuff on the big club last year and bombed.  That's why Drew was acquired, but the really good news for Iglesias is Drew only has a one year contract.  Iglesias needs to focus on getting better and getting the repetitions at whatever level he is assigned to play. 

    As is typical for all MLB teams, injuries are giving new opportunities to both Iglesias and Bradley, and that's fine with me.  But I also think right now the best outfield when Vic returns is Vic, Ellsbury, and Nava (and occasionally, sadly, Gomes).  Bradley surely recognizes that Ellsbury is even more of a one year guy than Drew because chances are very slim Ellsbury will return next year.  So Bradley can spend at least some time at AAA, where he never played before this year, and prepare to the the Sox starting centerfielder.  This is going to come as a shock to some of you, but even Ted Williams had to put in some time at AAA. 

    I say again, I do not understand this constant harping that Iglesias and Bradley must play every day in Boston and do so immediately.  Whatever Cherington did last year and then in the offseason sure looks to be working.  The whole team is playing together and supporting each other.  A bad team has been transformed into a good team.  And, hopefully, the young guys like Bradley and Iglesias will make the Sox even better next year or even later this summer. 

     

     




    I agree.

     

    Drew is has an 871 OPS for May and the team overall chemistry is great. They have guys like Middy who really hasnt contributed much, but they are still winning. Its foolish to disrupt that if its not needed. you dont make a move just to make one when it doesnt make sense. Iggy and JBJ will get MLB playing time as needed this year. Hopefully they will take over full time next year. makes me question some peoples motivation here. Why fix whats not broken. Come July we will see where we stand and what moves need to be made. Right now, were fine..

     



    I agree that the Sox are fine right now. In fact, any move I suggest, i'm really talking about July or literally, right on the last hours of the deadline. Just wanted to make that clear. The only thing i have against Lee is that i'd rather get better & younger if they give-up that many decent prospects. Something has to eventually give (if the Sox are in fact a 1st place team making a run for the postseason). I'd like to replace Doubront w/ a #1 or #2 orget a guy like Stanton to put the offense over the top. I dont think they can do both this yr., but the way Lackey & Dempster are pitching overall, it may not be as nessesary as, I think, a power bat might be Imho. 

     

    Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster for Stanton & a raw A ball Pitching prospect w/ a decent ceiling but a long ways off. Off the top of my head - don't hold me to it. Ballpark. 

    Side note- I'd like to see a list of what players, at the end of the day, are truly expendable by some respectable posters here. 



    Yeah, I figured you were talking about deadline deals emp.

    Have to see where the rotation is at come july. A lot can happen in 2 months. Buchholz is having some issues right now, so hold on tight. I like the idea of another bat if Middy doesnt get his act together this year. For some reason Stanton worries me with all his little nagging injuries so far. Theyre not impact ones. Stuff  like that tends to linger and pop up again and again. I know hes got monster potential and would hit 40+ bombs in Fenway, but......

    If were in it and doing well, I think we would obviously be buyers and all the names being bantered around like Drew, Salty and Ellsbury will probably stay put. If you can add a piece to them, then fine. Or maybe give up a prospect or 2. If the team is crusin' along and they have a tight knit bunch with good chemistry, theres no reason to break that up. Who cares if you just let a couple guys walk at the end of the year if the trade off is a WSC.

     
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    Yeah, I figured you were talking about deadline deals emp.

     

    Have to see where the rotation is at come july. A lot can happen in 2 months. Buchholz is having some issues right now, so hold on tight. I like the idea of another bat if Middy doesnt get his act together this year. For some reason Stanton worries me with all his little nagging injuries so far. Theyre not impact ones. Stuff  like that tends to linger and pop up again and again. I know hes got monster potential and would hit 40+ bombs in Fenway, but......

    If were in it and doing well, I think we would obviously be buyers and all the names being bantered around like Drew, Salty and Ellsbury will probably stay put. If you can add a piece to them, then fine. Or maybe give up a prospect or 2. If the team is crusin' along and they have a tight knit bunch with good chemistry, theres no reason to break that up. Who cares if you just let a couple guys walk at the end of the year if the trade off is a WSC.

     

    I'm not so sure we'd be obvious buyers. We have done little at the deadline the last few years.

    I ask you this, if keeping some or most of Ellsbury, Salty, Aceves, Drew, Napoli or Salty to the end of the year improve our odds of winning a ring from this to that, do you keep them?

    From 5% to 10%?

    From 5% to 20%?

    From 5% to 25%?

    From 5% to 33%?

    From 10% to 15%?

    to 25%?

    to 33%?

    From 15% to 25%?

    to 33%?

    From 20% to 33%?

    From 25% to 33%?

     

    How much would trading one of Drew, Salty or Ellsbury decrease our chances?

    Trading 2 of them?

    3 of them?

     

    Not easy questions, but what are your ball park guesses at this moment in the season?

     

     
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    Trade where we have depth. To me that is at catcher and in the OF. I have no problem trading Drew either. Unfortunately we won't get much for any of them so its kind of a moot point anyway. Except Ellsbury of course and he at least nets us a potential pick at the end of the year. 

     
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    Don't play the kid--or the other one either.  I like Bradley and Iglesias a lot, but the Sox have been winning without them (and now, with Middlebrooks on the DL, with one of them).  One of the reasons for the great chemistry on this team is the veterans are shown some respect, unlike the way Bobby V handled the situation with Youkilis last year.  Thus Farrell announced in early April the SS job was Drew's when he returned, and Drew has repaid the confidence with excellent fielding, including just one error on the season--very unusual for a SS.  Plus maybe his hitting is coming around, and there can be little doubt his hitting potential is greater than Iglesias.  And let's not forget Iglesias had a really good shot at showing his stuff on the big club last year and bombed.  That's why Drew was acquired, but the really good news for Iglesias is Drew only has a one year contract.  Iglesias needs to focus on getting better and getting the repetitions at whatever level he is assigned to play. 

    As is typical for all MLB teams, injuries are giving new opportunities to both Iglesias and Bradley, and that's fine with me.  But I also think right now the best outfield when Vic returns is Vic, Ellsbury, and Nava (and occasionally, sadly, Gomes).  Bradley surely recognizes that Ellsbury is even more of a one year guy than Drew because chances are very slim Ellsbury will return next year.  So Bradley can spend at least some time at AAA, where he never played before this year, and prepare to the the Sox starting centerfielder.  This is going to come as a shock to some of you, but even Ted Williams had to put in some time at AAA. 

    I say again, I do not understand this constant harping that Iglesias and Bradley must play every day in Boston and do so immediately.  Whatever Cherington did last year and then in the offseason sure looks to be working.  The whole team is playing together and supporting each other.  A bad team has been transformed into a good team.  And, hopefully, the young guys like Bradley and Iglesias will make the Sox even better next year or even later this summer. 

     

     




    I agree.

     

    Drew is has an 871 OPS for May and the team overall chemistry is great. They have guys like Middy who really hasnt contributed much, but they are still winning. Its foolish to disrupt that if its not needed. you dont make a move just to make one when it doesnt make sense. Iggy and JBJ will get MLB playing time as needed this year. Hopefully they will take over full time next year. makes me question some peoples motivation here. Why fix whats not broken. Come July we will see where we stand and what moves need to be made. Right now, were fine..

     



    I agree that the Sox are fine right now. In fact, any move I suggest, i'm really talking about July or literally, right on the last hours of the deadline. Just wanted to make that clear. The only thing i have against Lee is that i'd rather get better & younger if they give-up that many decent prospects. Something has to eventually give (if the Sox are in fact a 1st place team making a run for the postseason). I'd like to replace Doubront w/ a #1 or #2 orget a guy like Stanton to put the offense over the top. I dont think they can do both this yr., but the way Lackey & Dempster are pitching overall, it may not be as nessesary as, I think, a power bat might be Imho. 

     

    Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster for Stanton & a raw A ball Pitching prospect w/ a decent ceiling but a long ways off. Off the top of my head - don't hold me to it. Ballpark. 

    Side note- I'd like to see a list of what players, at the end of the day, are truly expendable by some respectable posters here. 

     



    I sure as heck wouldn't give up "Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster" for Stanton and a raw A pitching prospect. That's 2 of our top 3 prospects plus a regular OF, a solid catching prospect and a decent starter depth guy. For a guy who is hitting .227 with 3 HR so far this year. Stanton is a stud but I'd prefer he had much better numbers this year before doing that deal. 

     



    Bad Hammy. Only played 20 games. 

     
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    Can't wait to see what you edit in this time Burrito. Whatever it takes huh.

     



    I changed my mind and decided it wasn't worth posting....  you should try it some time... like on another site.... far far far away from this one. 

     



    I've seen you do it at least 3 times in the last 2 weeks. It's teleological.

     
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    As is teleological suspension of the ethical. An expression in the field of philosophy.

     
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    Yeah, I figured you were talking about deadline deals emp.

     

    Have to see where the rotation is at come july. A lot can happen in 2 months. Buchholz is having some issues right now, so hold on tight. I like the idea of another bat if Middy doesnt get his act together this year. For some reason Stanton worries me with all his little nagging injuries so far. Theyre not impact ones. Stuff  like that tends to linger and pop up again and again. I know hes got monster potential and would hit 40+ bombs in Fenway, but......

    If were in it and doing well, I think we would obviously be buyers and all the names being bantered around like Drew, Salty and Ellsbury will probably stay put. If you can add a piece to them, then fine. Or maybe give up a prospect or 2. If the team is crusin' along and they have a tight knit bunch with good chemistry, theres no reason to break that up. Who cares if you just let a couple guys walk at the end of the year if the trade off is a WSC.

     

    I'm not so sure we'd be obvious buyers. We have done little at the deadline the last few years.

    I ask you this, if keeping some or most of Ellsbury, Salty, Aceves, Drew, Napoli or Salty to the end of the year improve our odds of winning a ring from this to that, do you keep them?

    From 5% to 10%?

    From 5% to 20%?

    From 5% to 25%?

    From 5% to 33%?

    From 10% to 15%?

    to 25%?

    to 33%?

    From 15% to 25%?

    to 33%?

    From 20% to 33%?

    From 25% to 33%?

     

    How much would trading one of Drew, Salty or Ellsbury decrease our chances?

    Trading 2 of them?

    3 of them?

     

    Not easy questions, but what are your ball park guesses at this moment in the season?

     



    Trading Salty would effect every aspect of the team. especially the pitching staff that's been fine even in most Losses. I'd trade Drew & Ells over Salty at this point. 

    Naps important, he's streaky & i hope he gets hot again. Not sure we have anyone to replace him, unless Middlebrooks proves himself and is an option. 

    And Aceves? ... I don't think he's the glue that holds this team together.

     

     
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    Ranaudo with a 1 hitter tonight. Bogaerts with 2 dingers and a double. The farm keeps chugging along. Ranaudo doesn't seem to have enough stuff to be a good major league starter but if you are 6'7" or so and can locate a fastball on a downward plane, good things can happen. At least as long as the control is there. People are going to start clamoring for a promotion for him to AAA ball soon but he needs work badly on his changeup. 

    At the same time he is leading the Eastern league in ERA I would bet. it is tremendous to see the starting pitching talent we have in AA and AAA ball. Best I've ever seen us have at that level.



    This is pretty much on par with what I've been hearing about him.  He's is dominating AA hitters with a major league fastball.  However the other pitches haven't developed as much.  I think he still has some room for growth, he missed a whole season and is still young.  If nothing else develops (and theres no reason to think it won't at least a little) he has late inning reliver stuff at the MLB level.

    I say his stuff develops at least enough to make him a #4 guy with some seasons in his prime as a #2 guy.  Maybe more than that if he pushes his stuff to his ceiling.

    The System in General is very impressive this year.  It has been close to a "best case scenario" 

     
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    I have no problem trading Drew either. Unfortunately we won't get much for any of them so its kind of a moot point anyway.


    Trading Drew gets you salary dump / cap flexibility.

    Who would pick up Gomes 10m??

     
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    I have no problem trading Drew either. Unfortunately we won't get much for any of them so its kind of a moot point anyway.



    Trading Drew gets you salary dump / cap flexibility.

     

    Who would pick up Gomes 10m??



    Do we need it? We are under the cap now with room and have more money (including Drews) coming off the books next year.  It makes sense if you are about to add a bunch of money.  But if it's for an aging pitcher who has tanked in the playoffs his last couple go arounds then count me out. 

     
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    With regard to the trade ideas I'm hearing, the one thing that keeps jumping out at me is this: if you think the Red Sox have any chance at all this year, then trading Salty would be an extraordinarily bad idea.  Why?  Because we have NO ONE to replace him.

    Lavarnway has done NOTHING at the major league level to suggest he is ready for the job, either OFFENSIVELY or DEFENSIVELY.  To think otherwise is pure fantasy.

    If, on the other hand, you think the Sox have no chance this year, then sure, trading Salty makes sense.

     
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    I sure as heck wouldn't give up "Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster" for Stanton and a raw A pitching prospect. That's 2 of our top 3 prospects plus a regular OF, a solid catching prospect and a decent starter depth guy. For a guy who is hitting .227 with 3 HR so far this year. Stanton is a stud but I'd prefer he had much better numbers this year before doing that deal. 

    If his stock is low, what better time to trade for him. 'Cause that's not what he is. Maybe we don't need to give up as much as i thought? 

    Lav,Ace,Nava,Brentz,Webster?

    Lav,Ace,Nava,Boggy,Workman? 

    Maybe only 4 out of the 5?

    maybe Iglesias instead of Bogaerts?

    Minor league depth is a great thing, don't get me wrong. But if that depth becomes a spoil of redundancies that isn't necessarily helping the big club win, something needs to happen.

     

     

     
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    I sure as heck wouldn't give up "Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster" for Stanton and a raw A pitching prospect. That's 2 of our top 3 prospects plus a regular OF, a solid catching prospect and a decent starter depth guy. For a guy who is hitting .227 with 3 HR so far this year. Stanton is a stud but I'd prefer he had much better numbers this year before doing that deal. 

    If his stock is low, what better time to trade for him. 'Cause that's not what he is. Maybe we don't need to give up as much as i thought? 

    Lav,Ace,Nava,Brentz,Webster?

    Lav,Ace,Nava,Boggy,Workman? 

    Maybe only 4 out of the 5?

    maybe Iglesias instead of Bogaerts?

    Minor league depth is a great thing, don't get me wrong. But if that depth becomes a spoil of redundancies that isn't necessarily helping the big club win, something needs to happen.

     

     



    To pry Stanton even now with his slow start you re looking at Boggie and Barnes/Ranaudo ( one of the 2) to start. The 2 more of Cecchini,Webster,Swihart,RDLA,maybe Brentz and Lava. Ain't no way Fl will take Nave, Workman, or Ace. Forget that. Stanton would solve a lot of problems for the RS for the next 10 yrs in the middle of the order with out a dought. And I personally...would make the trade in a nano second

     
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    Trading Salty would effect every aspect of the team. especially the pitching staff that's been fine even in most Losses. I'd trade Drew & Ells over Salty at this point. 

    The fact that Ross has not played full seasons before, does not mean her cannot play 60% of the games for 2 months. He's dont that several times in his career. He is not your typical 36 year old catcher. He has low mileage (675 career games in 12 seasons).

    I think the staff would do better with him, and worse in the 40% games with Lava. Overall, it might be even or a slight loss, but when Salty's bat probably goes ice cold by August, I'd think Lava might make up for that loss on offense.

    I do agree though; I'd trade Drew and Ells before Salty, if we are in it at the deadline.

     

     

    Naps important, he's streaky & i hope he gets hot again. Not sure we have anyone to replace him, unless Middlebrooks proves himself and is an option. 

    Naps will not be traded, if we are still in it.

     

    And Aceves? ... I don't think he's the glue that holds this team together.

    He does provide nice insurance, but my guess is, he will be dealt this year.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    In response to emp9's comment:

     

    I sure as heck wouldn't give up "Aceves,Lav,Nava,Boggy,Webster" for Stanton and a raw A pitching prospect. That's 2 of our top 3 prospects plus a regular OF, a solid catching prospect and a decent starter depth guy. For a guy who is hitting .227 with 3 HR so far this year. Stanton is a stud but I'd prefer he had much better numbers this year before doing that deal. 

    If his stock is low, what better time to trade for him. 'Cause that's not what he is. Maybe we don't need to give up as much as i thought? 

    Lav,Ace,Nava,Brentz,Webster?

    Lav,Ace,Nava,Boggy,Workman? 

    Maybe only 4 out of the 5?

    maybe Iglesias instead of Bogaerts?

    Minor league depth is a great thing, don't get me wrong. But if that depth becomes a spoil of redundancies that isn't necessarily helping the big club win, something needs to happen.

     

     

     



    To pry Stanton even now with his slow start you re looking at Boggie and Barnes/Ranaudo ( one of the 2) to start. The 2 more of Cecchini,Webster,Swihart,RDLA,maybe Brentz and Lava. Ain't no way Fl will take Nave, Workman, or Ace. Forget that. Stanton would solve a lot of problems for the RS for the next 10 yrs in the middle of the order with out a dought. And I personally...would make the trade in a nano second

     



    As good as Stanton was last year, the guy is still roughly a lifetime .268 hitter, in Miami with no pressure having a down year this year. I wouldn't give up that much for him. Some would. I wouldn't. 

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    People always overate their own prospects when looking at hypothetical trades.

    Best case scenario, if he fully reaches his ceiling Bogaerts is Stanton.   There is no way this trade happens without at least starting with a prospect like the Xman, throw in one of the top pitching prospects (Barnes/Webster/Ranaduo) and you have the beginnings of a package. 

    Personally I like the slow and steady approach.  We have a good solid core of prospects coming up, and I want to see what we have on them.  Sure some of them will fizzle and we may look back and say "we should of sold high him" but if a couple pan out then it's all worth it.

    I don't think you trade away our farm for Stanton, there is nothing wrong with Stanton as he is the ideal kinda guy to build around.  Nothing wrong with giving up a ton of talent for guy like Stanton either, just staying within is a personal preference of mine right now.  I want to build around Bogaerts and the pitching coming up.  Maybe all of Ranaudo/Barnes/Owens/Webster become above average pitchers but none are aces (very plausible scenario) well then you can go out and pay a guy $20 to anchor the rotation.  That is ok because the rest of the rotation is cost controlled.

    It's also easier to go out and overpay for a middle of the order bat when you already have a guy like Bogearts under control there.  Sure Stanton is cost controlled to, but he does hit the market much sooner than Bogaerts (clock hasn't started ticking) and he is arbitration eligible this year.   

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

    People always overate their own prospects when looking at hypothetical trades.

    Best case scenario, if he fully reaches his ceiling Bogaerts is Stanton.   There is no way this trade happens without at least starting with a prospect like the Xman, throw in one of the top pitching prospects (Barnes/Webster/Ranaduo) and you have the beginnings of a package. 

    Personally I like the slow and steady approach.  We have a good solid core of prospects coming up, and I want to see what we have on them.  Sure some of them will fizzle and we may look back and say "we should of sold high him" but if a couple pan out then it's all worth it.

    I don't think you trade away our farm for Stanton, there is nothing wrong with Stanton as he is the ideal kinda guy to build around.  Nothing wrong with giving up a ton of talent for guy like Stanton either, just staying within is a personal preference of mine right now.  I want to build around Bogaerts and the pitching coming up.  Maybe all of Ranaudo/Barnes/Owens/Webster become above average pitchers but none are aces (very plausible scenario) well then you can go out and pay a guy $20 to anchor the rotation.  That is ok because the rest of the rotation is cost controlled.

    It's also easier to go out and overpay for a middle of the order bat when you already have a guy like Bogearts under control there.  Sure Stanton is cost controlled to, but he does hit the market much sooner than Bogaerts (clock hasn't started ticking) and he is arbitration eligible this year.   



    I agree wholeheartedly....

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    With regard to the trade ideas I'm hearing, the one thing that keeps jumping out at me is this: if you think the Red Sox have any chance at all this year, then trading Salty would be an extraordinarily bad idea.  Why?  Because we have NO ONE to replace him.

    Lavarnway has done NOTHING at the major league level to suggest he is ready for the job, either OFFENSIVELY or DEFENSIVELY.  To think otherwise is pure fantasy.

    If, on the other hand, you think the Sox have no chance this year, then sure, trading Salty makes sense.



    I repeat, Salty is on pace to cost us 19 RUNS defensively this year. He's throwing out runners at a God awful 11% rate. Lavarnway has played maybe 2 games in the majors so far this year so how do we know what he can do? Lavarnway's minor league record as a hitter is far stronger than Salty's and Salty's defense has been consistently bad forever. I wouldn't trade Salty for nothing but I would look to get some value for him because he is clearly replaceable. If not him then Ross. Lavarnway is probably ready at this point to help us. And we have 2 catchers behind him doing just fine in the farm ranks. It's a position of strength.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    I repeat, Salty is on pace to cost us 19 RUNS defensively this year. He's throwing out runners at a God awful 11% rate. Lavarnway has played maybe 2 games in the majors so far this year so how do we know what he can do? Lavarnway's minor league record as a hitter is far stronger than Salty's and Salty's defense has been consistently bad forever. I wouldn't trade Salty for nothing but I would look to get some value for him because he is clearly replaceable. If not him then Ross. Lavarnway is probably ready at this point to help us. And we have 2 catchers behind him doing just fine in the farm ranks. It's a position of strength.



    First of all I don't think 19 runs is a huge number over the course of the season.  Secondly, what can't be measured is how well Salty is doing as far as calling games and working with the pitchers.  Overall our pitching is much improved and it's possible that Salty is part of that.  It's an X factor, admittedly.

    I can't see any way Lavarnway is going to be an upgrade at catcher THIS SEASON.  Aside from his unimpressive major league numbers, he's just not experienced.  Expecting him to jump in mid-season and do a good job defensively would be sheer folly, IMO.

    Again, I'm only looking at this from the perspective of us having a chance THIS SEASON.

    Sorry for the caps, I'm not yelling, they're just for emphasis.

     
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